Exact pinpoint coordinates vs a map grid are 2 very different things. Telling people to haul tail over to G3 is more realistic, easier to sort out on the map at a moment's glance, and easier to comprehend for new players. Actual coordinates that you have to wander around and hope the numbers are heading in the right direction doesn't strike me as a "feature" instead of a dev tool accidentally left in.

I'm all for the grid, but for the love of any one of a thousand gods humanity has cooked up over the years, please don't do this coordinate number crap in the thread that was linked to.

The concept is generally the same.

Remotely the same, I'll give you, generally? Not even close.

Ever open a map? Like a real map for a city? Every decent one I've seen uses a grid. You can look up something on a table on the back and it'll say it's in H7 and you can narrow down where you're looking. That other thread talking about a MAG "feature" would be the same as giving every soldier raw GPS coordinates and hoping they can just sort it out with nothing more than their current position. There's a very good reason no military actually does that.

Now granted, modern usage of GPS actually has waypoints that the commanders can give their soldiers and they get a nice big arrow to follow. I'm sure we'll eventually see something like that in DUST as well, but a basic number/letter grid is simple, basic, takes next to no effort to implement (just a texture overlay layer), and would be infinitely useful in the middle of a bitched battle. Arguing for something that's hard to use quickly, is a hack of an implementation, doesn't mirror anything anyone actually uses in even the remotest sense, and is completely inelegant as a solution instead of something so simple just blows my mind.

I'm sure the MAG players got used to it, but that doesn't mean it was a good idea. I mean, how's MAG doing these days anyway?

I did a search for "grid", "map" and "coordinates" and found nothing so here goes.

I'd like to see a grid system on the map (ala Battleship) so that we can call out objectives or targets to our team mates.

Examples:
- "Take out the clone vat at grid B:4!"
- "We've got tanks coming in from H:7!"
- "We need to place snipers on the ridges at D:6, G:4 and C:1!"

The two arent mutually exclusive though are they?

Well no, of course they aren't, by why bother? It's a terrible system that's only a concession for people who were desperate enough to get used to it in a failed game. It's about like going into surgery and seeing your surgeon has laid out a rusty hacksaw next to the scalpels, just in case.

Also I get the sense you dont like the idea of coords just because they were in MAG!

You misunderstand. The only reason people WANT the coords like that is because they were in MAG. If that game had never existed, no one would want that. It's a terrible idea that only has support because players were subjected to it in another game.

I like it.

Also, would be nice to have "beacons" where people could call for help/support and get a flashing beacon on the map indicating the location of the signal.

You misunderstand. The only reason people WANT the coords like that is because they were in MAG. If that game had never existed, no one would want that. It's a terrible idea that only has support because players were subjected to it in another game.

I have never played or seen gameplay from "MAG" and I desperately want a coordinate system in DUST514.

blah blah blah blah

coordinates are coordinates no matter how it's implemented.

That's what he wants, the little useless numbers.

I like it.

Also, would be nice to have "beacons" where people could call for help/support and get a flashing beacon on the map indicating the location of the signal.

You've got to be kidding me. After this little exchange I don't exactly have the highest regard for your reasoning abilities, and even I give you more credit than that. You can't possibly actually think that. Here, let's draw it out a bit:

You keep complaining about how the game freezes right? Well a game's a game no matter how it's implemented.
You complained about the interface having too much "text clogging up" the screen. An interface is an interface no matter how it's implemented.
You complain about constantly on headset mics. Voice coms are voice coms no matter how it's implemented.

Seeing a pattern here?

I'm sorry, I'm not buying it. Even you aren't that stupid. So what's your real hangup on wanting a ****** implementation of a feature to match a half assed accidentally left in dev tool from your previous shooter?

Just stick with the grid.

The specific idea for grid could be presented in the earlier thread to add to the conversation

Secondly, all I was stating is to just make a comment in there about it, as opposed to creating another thread on a topic that is so similar it might as well be twins.

Ok, you didn't read the linked thread. Which would you want for that coordinate system? A nice easy to look at grid like on an actual map, or tiny little X-Y coords

\Though last I checked for regrouping there is already something in place that may or may not be functioning at the moment. Idk, haven't played with it.

As for just a grid, the current thing in system should work better than forcing everyone to look at their map. The FC/Squad Commander "should" be able to set a point or multiple points for certain groups to travel to. Which if it works like any other game where you set a "marker" on a map so you know where you're going it would give you some sort of display so you can find out which way w/o constantly opening up map. That's assuming (hypothesis, if you want to make the word "assume" sound better) it works like I think it "should".

Now admittedly, I am also assuming the XY coords would be placed similar to a grid where I can still locate a future XY on the map. See, if it would've all been put in one thread debating over the two, I would've been completely defending you're idea of how it should be.

We like the grid system idea a lot. No promises for now, but it's under discussion internally!

I went into it in a little more depth in This Thread but I'd like to say that whatever system is used it will be most effective if it's always visible.

If the player has to stop what they're doing to find out where they are it's not going to be very effective.

That could be addressed by displaying your current grid coordinate on the HUD above/below the mini-map.

Having said, I think you and I are along the same lines with respect to being able to name/tag things. I've suggested something similar in this thread:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=139149#post139149

Take a look at the thread you pointed me to. I've obviously already read your idea.

Yay! The devs are 'considering' it!

Okay, I understand the no-promises thing --- but how can you NOT do this?

GRID IT

Skytt,

I think this might end up creating too much HUD clutter. Maybe have a tutorial explaining the grid system: Going north/south changes your letter and east/west changes the number etc.

Although if there was a way to temporarily display the info that might work as well (hit a button to display the grid like you're saying) and then it fades out after a bit.

+1


"Squad align to H-1....Squad warp H-1.....JOC"

"CCP, when i do XYZ in B-4, a HAV drops on my head outta nowhere!"

I did a search for "grid", "map" and "coordinates" and found nothing so here goes.

I'd like to see a grid system on the map (ala Battleship) so that we can call out objectives or targets to our team mates.

Examples:
- "Take out the clone vat at grid B:4!"
- "We've got tanks coming in from H:7!"
- "We need to place snipers on the ridges at D:6, G:4 and C:1!"

I did a search for "grid", "map" and "coordinates" and found nothing so here goes.

I'd like to see a grid system on the map (ala Battleship) so that we can call out objectives or targets to our team mates.

Examples:
- "Take out the clone vat at grid B:4!"
- "We've got tanks coming in from H:7!"
- "We need to place snipers on the ridges at D:6, G:4 and C:1!"