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SIN Assassin112 Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2015.05.09 03:01:00 - [1] - Quote With the new changes to Apex suits to be able to modify modules and guns, it makes those Starter Fits no chance and new people who try this game just to quit and delete this game. CCP what were you thinking? Minus well make Apex Suits available to purchase for AUR again or just make them the new Starter Fits and refund the players who purchased Apex suits with AUR. Anyone who knows how to play around with dropsuit fits will figure out how to make OP APEX suits and gain lots of ISK.
devjo88 Escrow Removal and Acquisition No Context 54	Posted - 2015.05.09 03:06:00 - [2] - Quote SIN Assassin112 wrote: With the new changes to Apex suits to be able to modify modules and guns, it makes those Starter Fits no chance and new people who try this game just to quit and delete this game. CCP what were you thinking? Minus well make Apex Suits available to purchase for AUR again or just make them the new Starter Fits and refund the players who purchased Apex suits with AUR. Anyone who knows how to play around with dropsuit fits will figure out how to make OP APEX suits and gain lots of ISK. what does it matter people have the right to make what they want sorry if your not smart enough or have enough sp to do that efforts and courage are not good enough without purpose and direction
SIN Assassin112 Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.05.09 03:10:00 - [3] - Quote devjo88 wrote: SIN Assassin112 wrote: With the new changes to Apex suits to be able to modify modules and guns, it makes those Starter Fits no chance and new people who try this game just to quit and delete this game. CCP what were you thinking? Minus well make Apex Suits available to purchase for AUR again or just make them the new Starter Fits and refund the players who purchased Apex suits with AUR. Anyone who knows how to play around with dropsuit fits will figure out how to make OP APEX suits and gain lots of ISK. what does it matter people have the right to make what they want sorry if your not smart enough or have enough sp to do that Huh... i have 48 mil SP and 688 mil ISK , I might not have the most SP but I know I have a well amount of SP to know what is groundbreaking.
Knightshade Belladonna Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 1478	Posted - 2015.05.09 03:16:00 - [4] - Quote and proto stomping peeps who have billions never did any of those things?
Knightshade Belladonna Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 1478	Posted - 2015.05.09 03:16:00 - [5] - Quote these complaints show who is unwilling to put in the work or the $$$ to get apex
Eruditus 920 Nemo Malus Felix 1814	Posted - 2015.05.09 03:18:00 - [6] - Quote I like you, Sin. You got moxie, kid. Have your first like. "Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
DDx77 OUTCAST MERCS General Tso's Alliance 259	Posted - 2015.05.09 05:31:00 - [7] - Quote SIN Assassin112 wrote: With the new changes to Apex suits to be able to modify modules and guns, it makes those Starter Fits no chance and new people who try this game just to quit and delete this game. CCP what were you thinking? Minus well make Apex Suits available to purchase for AUR again or just make them the new Starter Fits and refund the players who purchased Apex suits with AUR. Anyone who knows how to play around with dropsuit fits will figure out how to make OP APEX suits and gain lots of ISK. You're mostly right A lot of apex suits had really dumb layouts (that was the point) and are pretty ugly. Now they don't have either problem What they just did to the apex suits is create cash cow suits that don't have a whole lot of downside
Operative 1174 Uuali Y.A.M.A.H 664	Posted - 2015.05.09 05:58:00 - [8] - Quote SIN Assassin112 wrote: With the new changes to Apex suits to be able to modify modules and guns, it makes those Starter Fits no chance and new people who try this game just to quit and delete this game. CCP what were you thinking? Minus well make Apex Suits available to purchase for AUR again or just make them the new Starter Fits and refund the players who purchased Apex suits with AUR. Anyone who knows how to play around with dropsuit fits will figure out how to make OP APEX suits and gain lots of ISK. A great excuse for tiericide. Make a basic, module based suit and a role based bonus based suit. You either fit mods to a bunch of slots to make it powerful in various ways or you rely on the bonuses for specific abilities. Nuff said. Death is a serious businessGÇª So is running a shoddy, half-baked game company.
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2735	Posted - 2015.05.09 06:00:00 - [9] - Quote SIN Assassin112 wrote: With the new changes to Apex suits to be able to modify modules and guns, it makes those Starter Fits no chance and new people who try this game just to quit and delete this game. CCP what were you thinking? Minus well make Apex Suits available to purchase for AUR again or just make them the new Starter Fits and refund the players who purchased Apex suits with AUR. Anyone who knows how to play around with dropsuit fits will figure out how to make OP APEX suits and gain lots of ISK. I agree. We'll have to see how it goes but it seems to me like it's AUR-driven power inflation and is removing risk from a game that was supposed to be all about balancing risk as a mercenary contractor. PSN: RationalSpark
Lady MDK Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 362	Posted - 2015.05.09 06:02:00 - [10] - Quote Is this a step towards ccp z progression? Anyone getting annoyed by reading of the above post should consider the following. I don't care so neither should you :)

cammando 007 Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 14	Posted - 2015.05.09 06:10:00 - [11] - Quote with modifiable apex suits dust 514 became a pay to win game
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 11601	Posted - 2015.05.09 06:11:00 - [12] - Quote If they made changes now to them then expect further changes later down the road. Besides, APEX suits are still not all that great compared to ISK-variant proto suits due to the limited CPU/PG these suits have. If you look at the 'Serpent' Scout or the 'Tiger' Scout their CPU/PG availability is only half that of their ISK variants. And if I fit any ADV or PRO items on them, I'm already gimping the suit. In that case I might as well use my consumable proto suits instead. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 11601	Posted - 2015.05.09 06:12:00 - [13] - Quote cammando 007 wrote: with modifiable apex suits dust 514 became a pay to win game I never knew I was paying to win with LP and ISK. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
StrangeJedi 0	Posted - 2015.05.09 06:27:00 - [14] - Quote I do just fine in Starter fits, albeit I am an alt ;}
Genral69 death Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 236	Posted - 2015.05.09 10:02:00 - [15] - Quote SIN Assassin112 wrote: With the new changes to Apex suits to be able to modify modules and guns, it makes those Starter Fits no chance and new people who try this game just to quit and delete this game. CCP what were you thinking? Minus well make Apex Suits available to purchase for AUR again or just make them the new Starter Fits and refund the players who purchased Apex suits with AUR. Anyone who knows how to play around with dropsuit fits will figure out how to make OP APEX suits and gain lots of ISK. New player cant go against apex suit (unless a new player boys one straight away) of it a LP apex its earned over a long time . So there fore the players skill and stats change so they can no longer play against new players General limited: warming failure to pay, may lead to death,massive amount of pain or even lose of family. Since 1995
Genral69 death Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 236	Posted - 2015.05.09 10:04:00 - [16] - Quote cammando 007 wrote: with modifiable apex suits dust 514 became a pay to win game Dust is never pay to win. Yes you can get an advantage from aurm proto stuff but the fact is you can't take 16 people on by yourself General limited: warming failure to pay, may lead to death,massive amount of pain or even lose of family. Since 1995
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 7372	Posted - 2015.05.09 15:22:00 - [17] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: cammando 007 wrote: with modifiable apex suits dust 514 became a pay to win game I never knew I was paying to win with LP and ISK. You paid something more important than any amount of money in the world: time.
ZED Regent Acid Tech. 303 5	Posted - 2015.05.09 15:43:00 - [18] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: cammando 007 wrote: with modifiable apex suits dust 514 became a pay to win game I never knew I was paying to win with LP and ISK. You paid something more important than any amount of money in the world: time. Indeed, I only have 7 mill. SP, so it would take a lot off time to gain the advantages my apex tiger scout has. Hacking speed and kincats.... and if i get shot, so what... it's a bpo.... i did fit it recently with a quafe railrifle, didn't like the CR on it. A baseline for today? How about an acidbassline!
ZED Regent Acid Tech. 303 5	Posted - 2015.05.09 15:48:00 - [19] - Quote BTW, those tiger scout colors... i could go on stage with these guy's: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs069dndIYk Groovy.... A baseline for today? How about an acidbassline!
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5887	Posted - 2015.05.09 15:58:00 - [20] - Quote Knightshade Belladonna wrote: these complaints show who is unwilling to put in the work or the $$$ to get apex I've got the FW APEX. It's a money maker. It's also completely broken because it ruins the entire concept of risk vs reward which is the most important pillar of new eden. Still the worst thing to ever happen to this game. This simply made it a little more worse. Usually banned for being too awesome.

Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 973	Posted - 2015.05.09 16:03:00 - [21] - Quote Ya know instead of using a half decent apex suit i could just go ahead with my 500mil ISK and proto stomp all day. How does that sound? You should be happy that people use apex instead of proper proto cause that actually gives you a chance to fight back. Ive earned 5 apex suits from FW and if you ever aim at me you will never see the word "APEX". Instead you will read stuff like "Imperial assault AK.0 Opus" or some other suit. Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!
ZED Regent Acid Tech. 303 5	Posted - 2015.05.09 16:07:00 - [22] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Knightshade Belladonna wrote: these complaints show who is unwilling to put in the work or the $$$ to get apex I've got the FW APEX. It's a money maker. It's also completely broken because it ruins the entire concept of risk vs reward which is the most important pillar of new eden. Still the worst thing to ever happen to this game. This simply made it a little more worse. Why complain when you got one yourself? To people like me it's worth the money, i get a some advantage that otherwise would take me ages to grind... and since it's a free to download game i don't mind paying for some extra's ( i wouldn't dare to say it's pay to win....) A baseline for today? How about an acidbassline!
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 11606	Posted - 2015.05.09 23:44:00 - [23] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Knightshade Belladonna wrote: these complaints show who is unwilling to put in the work or the $$$ to get apex I've got the FW APEX. It's a money maker. It's also completely broken because it ruins the entire concept of risk vs reward which is the most important pillar of new eden. Still the worst thing to ever happen to this game. This simply made it a little more worse. A risk-vs-reward concept that has now been replaced by another risk-vs-reward concept. We call it Player Trading. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
LOL KILLZ LulKlz 64	Posted - 2015.05.10 00:03:00 - [24] - Quote I approve. 58,000 Aur for a POS suit that can't stand up to anything in a fight. I like. Maybe new peeps will all buy BPO and we can get the financial backbone to make this game what we all want it to be in the first place. ...An awesome experience. CEO of LulKlz/ chat channel LulKlz, code 0000 <--- numbers
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 781	Posted - 2015.05.11 12:13:00 - [25] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Knightshade Belladonna wrote: these complaints show who is unwilling to put in the work or the $$$ to get apex I've got the FW APEX. It's a money maker. It's also completely broken because it ruins the entire concept of risk vs reward which is the most important pillar of new eden. Still the worst thing to ever happen to this game. This simply made it a little more worse. I really respect your opinion, but a full STD fit doesn't cost much ISK. The APEX are cheaply fit with a few extra slots. There will be bullets. ACR+SMG [CEO of Terror]
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5901	Posted - 2015.05.11 13:10:00 - [26] - Quote ZED Regent wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Knightshade Belladonna wrote: these complaints show who is unwilling to put in the work or the $$$ to get apex I've got the FW APEX. It's a money maker. It's also completely broken because it ruins the entire concept of risk vs reward which is the most important pillar of new eden. Still the worst thing to ever happen to this game. This simply made it a little more worse. Why complain when you got one yourself? To people like me it's worth the money, i get a some advantage that otherwise would take me ages to grind... and since it's a free to download game i don't mind paying for some extra's ( i wouldn't dare to say it's pay to win....) I complain because I'm not entirely self centered and I recognize its bad for the game as a whole. Obviously with you, this isn't the case. Usually banned for being too awesome.
thor424 Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 168	Posted - 2015.05.11 14:21:00 - [27] - Quote cammando 007 wrote: with modifiable apex suits dust 514 became a pay to win game Except that you can use starter fits in FW and grind out 100K LP + 10 mil ISK and get one without paying a single $. Thor's Emporium
thor424 Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 168	Posted - 2015.05.11 14:24:00 - [28] - Quote ZED Regent wrote: Joel II X wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: cammando 007 wrote: with modifiable apex suits dust 514 became a pay to win game I never knew I was paying to win with LP and ISK. You paid something more important than any amount of money in the world: time. Indeed, I only have 7 mill. SP, so it would take a lot off time to gain the advantages my apex tiger scout has. Hacking speed and kincats.... and if i get shot, so what... it's a bpo.... i did fit it recently with a quafe railrifle, didn't like the CR on it. As you accrue SP, you'll more than likely (or should) skill towards increasing the bonuses of the suit and the load out(s) you use. People complaining about this in respect to new players are simply not thinking this through. It's kind of embarrassing. Thor's Emporium
thor424 Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 168	Posted - 2015.05.11 14:29:00 - [29] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: ZED Regent wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Knightshade Belladonna wrote: these complaints show who is unwilling to put in the work or the $$$ to get apex I've got the FW APEX. It's a money maker. It's also completely broken because it ruins the entire concept of risk vs reward which is the most important pillar of new eden. Still the worst thing to ever happen to this game. This simply made it a little more worse. Why complain when you got one yourself? To people like me it's worth the money, i get a some advantage that otherwise would take me ages to grind... and since it's a free to download game i don't mind paying for some extra's ( i wouldn't dare to say it's pay to win....) I complain because I'm not entirely self centered and I recognize its bad for the game as a whole. Obviously with you, this isn't the case. I don't see how it's bad for the game. You have droves of players running around in crappy militia fits getting destroyed by proto fits. The APEX is basically tiericide without redoing everything (something a limited dev team might consider). It creates a skill path for new players that is straightforward, "how do I make my new investment better?". Vets are running APEX because of the ISK benefit instead of rolling in full proto fits. So you've basically brought the highest tier down a bit and brought the lower tier up a lot. If it also means people are more willing to fight til the end then it's a win-win. I just don't see how the bitter of the most bitter can see this as a bad thing. Thor's Emporium
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5903	Posted - 2015.05.11 14:50:00 - [30] - Quote Militia junk is a small problem. It's bad equipment and will result in the players doing poorly against good players. So there is a faucet effect, but its minimal -- especially when competent matchmaking filters out these bad players. With APEX the situation is different. Good players can abuse many APEX suits and do incredibly well. This gives it a large faucet effect. An unchecked faucet is highly damaging to economy. In a game where all you are doing is buying from an NPC market, this can be forgiven. However that is not Dusts stated design. It's not supposed to be that way, and with every update we move further away from that. The concept of APEX is poisonous to the direction the game is heading. It is also poisonous to the concept of schadenfreude, which is supposed to be the defining meta of Dust as well as EVE. The game was supposed to get an ISK destruction stat to make people feel good every time they secure a kill. It's one of the reasons the devs originally took the BPO's out of the game in the first place, despite all of the complaints to Sony that happened afterwards. They recognized it was a necessary step to forging the proper public metagame, as well as economy. Rattati effectively reversed their efforts and made that fallout from that decision be entirely in vain. He did this because the team was scrambling to find something -- anything -- that would sell. They were that close to getting the lights turned off and Dust shut down. More methods of monetization have come since, and its no longer necessary for APEX to exist. Ergo, APEX is trash and should be removed from the game. If that isn't possible, then its use needs to be tied to a resource that can deplete. Something that can be tied in ISK in some manner, and can be measured when it is destroyed. Usually banned for being too awesome.



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