DUST Search - The Death of The ADS

Vulpes Dolosus wrote:

DUST Fiend wrote:

Vulpes Dolosus wrote:

I have never used a hardener on an ADS, shield or armor. Not even back when they were 60%. Too long of a cool down for not enough benefit.

I went 13-0 second game after a month hiatus. Haven't lost a single dropship aside from situations I knew I really shouldn't be in.

Not to say things couldn't be better, but ADSs are far from unusable.

Pythons are literally the entire reason I fly AV incubus 95% of the time.

No farming when im around Twisted

Lol, and believe me I'd rather engage in a good Air-to-Air fight than shoot a bunch of helpless people on the ground.

That was a bit of an exception though, as there was hardly any AV about. But still, even with AV out it only denies me a lot of kills rather than killing me. Only losses I've had are from me sticking my nose too far in where I know I shouldn't or stupid things like me running into something. Lol

In my opinion, AV to ADS damage seems about right. I'm still not happy with swarms being so user-friendly for their damage, but I'm having a hard time thinking of a good change for them.

Really though, the best thing we could give ADSs (and vehicles in general) is an early warning system that shows where nearby (<100-150m) threats are coming from, and how many there are. My idea being a special chevron placed over the heads of AV taking an offensive actions (locking swarms/charging PLC and forge) against a vehicle within 100-150m, visible only to the pilot (maybe gunners/passengers), and persisting for 5-10s after the action is released.

@Savage

Rail Incubus beats any Python fit any day of the week, hardeners or no it's just a matter of time. I always recall my Python when I see a rail Incubus (and promptly pull out my rail Incubus Twisted

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Apocalyptic Destroyer L.O.T.I.S. 496	Posted - 2015.05.08 03:10:00 - [1] - Quote They're both officially dead. Well Rat Crap. You have got what you wanted. The 2 Second Delay on Hardeners makes using a hardener on an ADS useless. No Hardener = No Staying Alive to get the hell out of there. You didn't care about the ADS and you have got what you wanted. Hope your happy. I'd like a respec for the skills invested into this. Otherwise fix it now. Not your damn SoonGäó-«-¬ True Amarr In Disguise Pain is Weakness Leaving the Body. In his house at R'lyeh dead Cthulhu waits dreaming.
Lupus Wolf Minmatar Republic 270	Posted - 2015.05.08 03:11:00 - [2] - Quote Apocalyptic Destroyer wrote: They're both officially dead. Well Rat Crap. You have got what you wanted. The 2 Second Delay on Hardeners makes using a hardener on an ADS useless. No Hardener = No Staying Alive to get the hell out of there. You didn't care about the ADS and you have got what you wanted. Hope your happy. I'd like a respec for the skills invested into this. Otherwise fix it now. Not your damn SoonGäó-«-¬ THAT'S what they meant by activation delay??? ....well F***. "Dogfighting with missiles is like watching two armless kids try to catch a baseball." - Dust Fiend
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros 2163	Posted - 2015.05.08 03:13:00 - [3] - Quote Apocalyptic Destroyer wrote: They're both officially dead. Well Rat Crap. You have got what you wanted. The 2 Second Delay on Hardeners makes using a hardener on an ADS useless. No Hardener = No Staying Alive to get the hell out of there. You didn't care about the ADS and you have got what you wanted. Hope your happy. I'd like a respec for the skills invested into this. Otherwise fix it now. Not your damn SoonGäó-«-¬ CCP never really think stuff through before implementing it. i.e. ADS RoF nerf. "Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 18851	Posted - 2015.05.08 03:14:00 - [4] - Quote Apocalyptic Destroyer wrote: They're both officially dead. Well Rat Crap. You have got what you wanted. The 2 Second Delay on Hardeners makes using a hardener on an ADS useless. No Hardener = No Staying Alive to get the hell out of there. You didn't care about the ADS and you have got what you wanted. Hope your happy. I'd like a respec for the skills invested into this. Otherwise fix it now. Not your damn SoonGäó-«-¬ Hardeners have a 2 second delay? That's rather concerning. If anything its not the right fix to a very clear problem. "MIN MAXING! MIN MAXING! I'M BETTER AT IT THAN YOU!" - Mobius Wyvern
DUST Fiend 16910	Posted - 2015.05.08 03:20:00 - [5] - Quote I was very happy that I don't run hardener fits lol. Now you have to predict where invisible AV will be before they fire, just another supernatural requirement to being an Ace in DUST "When in doubt, dropship out" If you see me, bring AV to collect ISK DUST STUFF
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros 2169	Posted - 2015.05.08 03:28:00 - [6] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I was very happy that I don't run hardener fits lol. Now you have to predict where invisible AV will be before they fire, just another supernatural requirement to being an Ace in DUST Ace? Since when? Last time I saw you flying, you were a #2. "Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
Crimson ShieId Horizons' Edge No Context 2551	Posted - 2015.05.08 03:32:00 - [7] - Quote Noticed this earlier... not sure what it was supposed to solve. Was actually thinking it had always been there and I'd just never noticed somehow. Looks like it's time to break out the Python again and see what happens and... wait... I forgot, I don't fly with hardeners. My Plasma Cannon says "Hello" to your face~
Apocalyptic Destroyer L.O.T.I.S. 496	Posted - 2015.05.08 03:39:00 - [8] - Quote Good Job CCP George Bush Would be proud cause he likes to eff ships up too. You both would be great friends. True Amarr In Disguise Pain is Weakness Leaving the Body. In his house at R'lyeh dead Cthulhu waits dreaming.
DUST Fiend 16913	Posted - 2015.05.08 03:40:00 - [9] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: I was very happy that I don't run hardener fits lol. Now you have to predict where invisible AV will be before they fire, just another supernatural requirement to being an Ace in DUST Ace? Since when? Last time I saw you flying, you were a #2. Never said I was an ace, little one. Here's your juice, go on and play now. It saddens me to know though that I'm still one of the better pilots in this game "When in doubt, dropship out" If you see me, bring AV to collect ISK DUST STUFF
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros 2176	Posted - 2015.05.08 03:45:00 - [10] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: It saddens me to know though that I'm still one of the better pilots in this game "Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.

SeargentSAVAGE PIanet Express Smart Deploy 26	Posted - 2015.05.08 03:45:00 - [11] - Quote Apocalyptic Destroyer wrote: They're both officially dead. Well Rat Crap. You have got what you wanted. The 2 Second Delay on Hardeners makes using a hardener on an ADS useless. No Hardener = No Staying Alive to get the hell out of there. You didn't care about the ADS and you have got what you wanted. Hope your happy. I'd like a respec for the skills invested into this. Otherwise fix it now. Not your damn SoonGäó-«-¬ Its called adjusting, hit it two seconds earlier then you normally do. Idk about you but against AV I have my activation and deactivating timing down perfect so I just knew to do it 2 seconds sooner then I normally do. It's not broken you're just not use to it.
Apocalyptic Destroyer L.O.T.I.S. 496	Posted - 2015.05.08 04:00:00 - [12] - Quote SeargentSAVAGE wrote: Apocalyptic Destroyer wrote: They're both officially dead. Well Rat Crap. You have got what you wanted. The 2 Second Delay on Hardeners makes using a hardener on an ADS useless. No Hardener = No Staying Alive to get the hell out of there. You didn't care about the ADS and you have got what you wanted. Hope your happy. I'd like a respec for the skills invested into this. Otherwise fix it now. Not your damn SoonGäó-«-¬ Its called adjusting, hit it two seconds earlier then you normally do. Idk about you but against AV I have my activation and deactivating timing down perfect so I just knew to do it 2 seconds sooner then I normally do. It's not broken you're just not use to it. Now do I hit it 2 seconds before or after the third volley hits ? Cause swarms are still too fast True Amarr In Disguise Pain is Weakness Leaving the Body. In his house at R'lyeh dead Cthulhu waits dreaming.
SeargentSAVAGE PIanet Express Smart Deploy 26	Posted - 2015.05.08 04:09:00 - [13] - Quote Apocalyptic Destroyer wrote: SeargentSAVAGE wrote: Apocalyptic Destroyer wrote: They're both officially dead. Well Rat Crap. You have got what you wanted. The 2 Second Delay on Hardeners makes using a hardener on an ADS useless. No Hardener = No Staying Alive to get the hell out of there. You didn't care about the ADS and you have got what you wanted. Hope your happy. I'd like a respec for the skills invested into this. Otherwise fix it now. Not your damn SoonGäó-«-¬ Its called adjusting, hit it two seconds earlier then you normally do. Idk about you but against AV I have my activation and deactivating timing down perfect so I just knew to do it 2 seconds sooner then I normally do. It's not broken you're just not use to it. Now do I hit it 2 seconds before or after the third volley hits ? Cause swarms are still too fast All depends, you run the hardener, booster, and heavy extender fit?
Apocalyptic Destroyer L.O.T.I.S. 496	Posted - 2015.05.08 04:13:00 - [14] - Quote SeargentSAVAGE wrote: Apocalyptic Destroyer wrote: SeargentSAVAGE wrote: Apocalyptic Destroyer wrote: They're both officially dead. Well Rat Crap. You have got what you wanted. The 2 Second Delay on Hardeners makes using a hardener on an ADS useless. No Hardener = No Staying Alive to get the hell out of there. You didn't care about the ADS and you have got what you wanted. Hope your happy. I'd like a respec for the skills invested into this. Otherwise fix it now. Not your damn SoonGäó-«-¬ Its called adjusting, hit it two seconds earlier then you normally do. Idk about you but against AV I have my activation and deactivating timing down perfect so I just knew to do it 2 seconds sooner then I normally do. It's not broken you're just not use to it. Now do I hit it 2 seconds before or after the third volley hits ? Cause swarms are still too fast All depends, you run the hardener, booster, and heavy extender fit? No. Hardener and 2 Complex light armor rep is the way to gold True Amarr In Disguise Pain is Weakness Leaving the Body. In his house at R'lyeh dead Cthulhu waits dreaming.
SeargentSAVAGE PIanet Express Smart Deploy 26	Posted - 2015.05.08 04:18:00 - [15] - Quote Ahhhh you're relying too much on hardeners. Try pythons, they fixed them somewhat, I was tearing **** up in my python today and it felt good its been awhile. I was never into the whole incubus missile fits, shield is the way to go for missiles bro
DUST Fiend 16914	Posted - 2015.05.08 04:18:00 - [16] - Quote Apocalyptic Destroyer wrote: SeargentSAVAGE wrote: Apocalyptic Destroyer wrote: SeargentSAVAGE wrote: Apocalyptic Destroyer wrote: They're both officially dead. Well Rat Crap. You have got what you wanted. The 2 Second Delay on Hardeners makes using a hardener on an ADS useless. No Hardener = No Staying Alive to get the hell out of there. You didn't care about the ADS and you have got what you wanted. Hope your happy. I'd like a respec for the skills invested into this. Otherwise fix it now. Not your damn SoonGäó-«-¬ Its called adjusting, hit it two seconds earlier then you normally do. Idk about you but against AV I have my activation and deactivating timing down perfect so I just knew to do it 2 seconds sooner then I normally do. It's not broken you're just not use to it. Now do I hit it 2 seconds before or after the third volley hits ? Cause swarms are still too fast All depends, you run the hardener, booster, and heavy extender fit? No. Hardener and 2 Complex light armor rep is the way to gold Yea, shields have it a little easier just in that they have more leeway against the first few hits from AV, mitigating the downside of having to wait those extra couple of seconds. As armor, you're gonna want to hit the hardener if you think you're gonna be hovering for a bit, otherwise you're just going to have to be extra attentive. What I'm most curious about is if this change will make it so that the second shot from a rail tank hits before your hardener activates. I suspect it will be, but I haven't run into that yet mostly because my go to fit is purely passive, minus the AB. "When in doubt, dropship out" If you see me, bring AV to collect ISK DUST STUFF
SeargentSAVAGE PIanet Express Smart Deploy 26	Posted - 2015.05.08 04:37:00 - [17] - Quote Relying on hardeners will be your downfall. Any ads of mine that relies mostly on hardening is just something to clear high grounds quickly. Try to drift away from relying on hardening so much
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. RUST415 3270	Posted - 2015.05.08 04:38:00 - [18] - Quote I have never used a hardener on an ADS, shield or armor. Not even back when they were 60%. Too long of a cool down for not enough benefit. I went 13-0 second game after a month hiatus. Haven't lost a single dropship aside from situations I knew I really shouldn't be in. Not to say things couldn't be better, but ADSs are far from unusable. Dust is there! I was real! Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~
DUST Fiend 16919	Posted - 2015.05.08 04:45:00 - [19] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: I have never used a hardener on an ADS, shield or armor. Not even back when they were 60%. Too long of a cool down for not enough benefit. I went 13-0 second game after a month hiatus. Haven't lost a single dropship aside from situations I knew I really shouldn't be in. Not to say things couldn't be better, but ADSs are far from unusable. Pythons are literally the entire reason I fly AV incubus 95% of the time. No farming when im around "When in doubt, dropship out" If you see me, bring AV to collect ISK DUST STUFF
SeargentSAVAGE PIanet Express Smart Deploy 29	Posted - 2015.05.08 04:53:00 - [20] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: I have never used a hardener on an ADS, shield or armor. Not even back when they were 60%. Too long of a cool down for not enough benefit. I went 13-0 second game after a month hiatus. Haven't lost a single dropship aside from situations I knew I really shouldn't be in. Not to say things couldn't be better, but ADSs are far from unusable. Pythons are literally the entire reason I fly AV incubus 95% of the time. No farming when im around Right! No hardener on a python? You wouldn't even last against an incubus rail wouldn't even have to let my rail cool down a little before firing again. But I do admire people that can still pull off non-hardened ADS's but that won't fly around with me in the air lol

Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. RUST415 3270	Posted - 2015.05.08 04:56:00 - [21] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: I have never used a hardener on an ADS, shield or armor. Not even back when they were 60%. Too long of a cool down for not enough benefit. I went 13-0 second game after a month hiatus. Haven't lost a single dropship aside from situations I knew I really shouldn't be in. Not to say things couldn't be better, but ADSs are far from unusable. Pythons are literally the entire reason I fly AV incubus 95% of the time. No farming when im around Lol, and believe me I'd rather engage in a good Air-to-Air fight than shoot a bunch of helpless people on the ground. That was a bit of an exception though, as there was hardly any AV about. But still, even with AV out it only denies me a lot of kills rather than killing me. Only losses I've had are from me sticking my nose too far in where I know I shouldn't or stupid things like me running into something. In my opinion, AV to ADS damage seems about right. I'm still not happy with swarms being so user-friendly for their damage, but I'm having a hard time thinking of a good change for them. Really though, the best thing we could give ADSs (and vehicles in general) is an early warning system that shows where nearby (<100-150m) threats are coming from, and how many there are. My idea being a special chevron placed over the heads of AV taking an offensive actions (locking swarms/charging PLC and forge) against a vehicle within 100-150m, visible only to the pilot (maybe gunners/passengers), and persisting for 5-10s after the action is released. @Savage Rail Incubus beats any Python fit any day of the week, hardeners or no it's just a matter of time. I always recall my Python when I see a rail Incubus (and promptly pull out my rail Incubus ). Dust is there! I was real! Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~
DUST Fiend 16920	Posted - 2015.05.08 05:03:00 - [22] - Quote SeargentSAVAGE wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: I have never used a hardener on an ADS, shield or armor. Not even back when they were 60%. Too long of a cool down for not enough benefit. I went 13-0 second game after a month hiatus. Haven't lost a single dropship aside from situations I knew I really shouldn't be in. Not to say things couldn't be better, but ADSs are far from unusable. Pythons are literally the entire reason I fly AV incubus 95% of the time. No farming when im around Right! No hardener on a python? You wouldn't even last against an incubus rail wouldn't even have to let my rail cool down a little before firing again. But I do admire people that can still pull off non-hardened ADS's but that won't fly around with me in the air lol Honestly though, rails are still laughably OP vs shields :/ no shield fit exists that will you save from my Particle Cannon. Not being able to rep while under fire is the real kicker in small rail vs shields, since just the act of juggling your overheat ensures theyll never rep so long as your aim is on point. Honestly, as much as I want my PRO ADS, I am NOT looking forward to PRO Incubus dogfights. They're already a bit of a nightmare, so unless we get additional efficiency vs vehicles, or enough fitting to have AB, damage mod, and some tank...its gonna get kinda silly. "When in doubt, dropship out" If you see me, bring AV to collect ISK DUST STUFF
SeargentSAVAGE PIanet Express Smart Deploy 29	Posted - 2015.05.08 05:05:00 - [23] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: I have never used a hardener on an ADS, shield or armor. Not even back when they were 60%. Too long of a cool down for not enough benefit. I went 13-0 second game after a month hiatus. Haven't lost a single dropship aside from situations I knew I really shouldn't be in. Not to say things couldn't be better, but ADSs are far from unusable. Pythons are literally the entire reason I fly AV incubus 95% of the time. No farming when im around Lol, and believe me I'd rather engage in a good Air-to-Air fight than shoot a bunch of helpless people on the ground. That was a bit of an exception though, as there was hardly any AV about. But still, even with AV out it only denies me a lot of kills rather than killing me. Only losses I've had are from me sticking my nose too far in where I know I shouldn't or stupid things like me running into something. In my opinion, AV to ADS damage seems about right. I'm still not happy with swarms being so user-friendly for their damage, but I'm having a hard time thinking of a good change for them. Really though, the best thing we could give ADSs (and vehicles in general) is an early warning system that shows where nearby (<100-150m) threats are coming from, and how many there are. My idea being a special chevron placed over the heads of AV taking an offensive actions (locking swarms/charging PLC and forge) against a vehicle within 100-150m, visible only to the pilot (maybe gunners/passengers), and persisting for 5-10s after the action is released. @Savage Rail Incubus beats any Python fit any day of the week, hardeners or no it's just a matter of time. I always recall my Python when I see a rail Incubus (and promptly pull out my rail Incubus ). Thats one thing that annoys me about ADSing, I shouldnt have to recall my python when an incubus with a rail shows up. Rail incubus damage against python Vs. missile python damage to incubus I've always felt was a bit unbalanced but then I always get hit with the argument, " Well you can hit infantry with your missiles and I can't"
tal mrak-thanl Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 1037	Posted - 2015.05.08 05:15:00 - [24] - Quote Wow, that two second delay really is a *****. Back to rep tank I guess. "That OB was like a wet fart" - Eros Adonai mini flux 2015


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"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.

"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.

"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.