DUST Search - Sidearm AV weapons

Tebu Gan wrote:

Godin Thekiller wrote:

That's screw with the Commando's AV role, screw with vehicle balance some more, and further invalidate actual AV by making general infantry have the ability to just equip AV in their sidearm and grenades (both useless things half the times imo) and not have to worry about vehicles.

One, commandos fulfil a role beyond AV. Carrying a long range weapon and a short range weapon to fulfil the need of the time. And regardless, 2 primary AV weapons would still be superior.

Two, I'm not saying these things are nearly as powerful as their bigger counterparts. Not to mention infantry running one would put themselves at a disadvantage when said weapon isn't needed. More like ultra light AV weaponry, killing a tank would be a very long and drawn out process.

And I don't think it would invalidate AV at all, if anything improve their capabilities and give them more options to work with, while putting them at a further disadvantage to conventional weaponry.

It's not THAT terrible of an idea(right?). No different than AI sidearms.

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Tebu Gan Capital Acquisitions LLC 1407	Posted - 2015.05.05 19:10:00 - [1] - Quote Whatu think. I'd love to have one to go with my primary. Balls to the wall AV! Tanks - Balancing Turrets
Hector Carson Tribal Band Dust Mercenaries Immortals of War 200	Posted - 2015.05.05 19:26:00 - [2] - Quote No, cause it's a sidearm, there not meant to be powerful just as a last resort weapon when you run out of ammo in your main, if you want be a commando I stomp vehicles for a living :D Commando Master
Tebu Gan Capital Acquisitions LLC 1407	Posted - 2015.05.05 19:49:00 - [3] - Quote Hector Carson wrote: No, cause it's a sidearm, there not meant to be powerful just as a last resort weapon when you run out of ammo in your main, if you want be a commando I stomp vehicles for a living :D I didn't mean for it to be as powerful as a primary AV weapon, just a supplement to your primary. And it would serve the same purpose, run out of ammo, switch to your sidearm and try to finish it off if the things nearly dead. Tanks - Balancing Turrets
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 2053	Posted - 2015.05.05 20:05:00 - [4] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: Whatu think. I'd love to have one to go with my primary. Balls to the wall AV! You know they could cross duty FP's for such like they should BMD's but ... +1 I'm all for AV . Doubts are like bothersome flies and should be treated as such and crushed . #PubsShouldBeRandomPlayers
Mikel Arias Challengers 506 118	Posted - 2015.05.05 20:48:00 - [5] - Quote I once faced a dropship with a flaylock. I actually managed to do enough damage to force the pilot to retreat (not close to kill it, but enough to chase him away). It was fun. But anyway, a sidearm shouldnt be able to take out a vehicle.
Ku Shala PIanet Express 1432	Posted - 2015.05.05 20:52:00 - [6] - Quote its called nova knives *-¦a+ó a+ú-Æa+äla+ä (CK-0 Specialist x5)* Caldari Loyalist 22 230 780 sp in drop suit upgrades
Godin Thekiller Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 3164	Posted - 2015.05.05 21:10:00 - [7] - Quote That's screw with the Commando's AV role, screw with vehicle balance some more, and further invalidate actual AV by making general infantry have the ability to just equip AV in their sidearm and grenades (both useless things half the times imo) and not have to worry about vehicles. Top lel
Tebu Gan Capital Acquisitions LLC 1410	Posted - 2015.05.05 22:21:00 - [8] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: That's screw with the Commando's AV role, screw with vehicle balance some more, and further invalidate actual AV by making general infantry have the ability to just equip AV in their sidearm and grenades (both useless things half the times imo) and not have to worry about vehicles. One, commandos fulfil a role beyond AV. Carrying a long range weapon and a short range weapon to fulfil the need of the time. And regardless, 2 primary AV weapons would still be superior. Two, I'm not saying these things are nearly as powerful as their bigger counterparts. Not to mention infantry running one would put themselves at a disadvantage when said weapon isn't needed. More like ultra light AV weaponry, killing a tank would be a very long and drawn out process. And I don't think it would invalidate AV at all, if anything improve their capabilities and give them more options to work with, while putting them at a further disadvantage to conventional weaponry. It's not THAT terrible of an idea(right?). No different than AI sidearms. Tanks - Balancing Turrets
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 18760	Posted - 2015.05.05 22:48:00 - [9] - Quote I'm not against it but I don't really see the purpose. How in New Eden does a pistol (since you said not proper large calibre AV weapons) or whatever damage tank armour? "MIN MAXING! MIN MAXING! I'M BETTER AT IT THAN YOU!" - Mobius Wyvern
DDx77 OUTCAST MERCS General Tso's Alliance 248	Posted - 2015.05.05 23:01:00 - [10] - Quote I would love a black eagle swarm launcher Basic damage, counts as a sidearm And I would actually be able to defend myself from infantry ( make it a gallente loyalty item)

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 18760	Posted - 2015.05.05 23:08:00 - [11] - Quote DDx77 wrote: I would love a black eagle swarm launcher Basic damage, counts as a sidearm And I would actually be able to defend myself from infantry ( make it a gallente loyalty item) Why would it be in the Gallente LP store. The Gallente are the only faction in New Eden who do not, besides stealth bombers, have bonuses to Missiles. "MIN MAXING! MIN MAXING! I'M BETTER AT IT THAN YOU!" - Mobius Wyvern
Tebu Gan Capital Acquisitions LLC 1411	Posted - 2015.05.05 23:58:00 - [12] - Quote True Adamance wrote: I'm not against it but I don't really see the purpose. How in New Eden does a pistol (since you said not proper large calibre AV weapons) or whatever damage tank armour? Well, it doesn't damage it that much. Say like 150 to 200 a shot. And I dunno, specialized rounds that penetrate armor causing internal damage. It's the future after all. Just something supplemental to the AV arsenal, as I feel they are lacking with just the nades and proxies (which need some loving). Plenty of times where I got a tank on the verge of death, where just that little bit of extra would of done the trick. I imagine that you could start with your nades, pop a few with the sidearm, then finish it with your main for the range. Tanks - Balancing Turrets
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 18762	Posted - 2015.05.06 00:04:00 - [13] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: True Adamance wrote: I'm not against it but I don't really see the purpose. How in New Eden does a pistol (since you said not proper large calibre AV weapons) or whatever damage tank armour? Well, it doesn't damage it that much. Say like 150 to 200 a shot. And I dunno, specialized rounds that penetrate armor causing internal damage. It's the future after all. Just something supplemental to the AV arsenal, as I feel they are lacking with just the nades and proxies (which need some loving). Plenty of times where I got a tank on the verge of death, where just that little bit of extra would of done the trick. I imagine that you could start with your nades, pop a few with the sidearm, then finish it with your main for the range. I like it but AV have a lot of opportunities already.....and there are other content features that kind of need addressing. But again I don't really have an issue with short ranged AV Side-arms unless they prove incredibly powerful. "MIN MAXING! MIN MAXING! I'M BETTER AT IT THAN YOU!" - Mobius Wyvern
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6183	Posted - 2015.05.06 00:10:00 - [14] - Quote DDx77 wrote: I would love a black eagle swarm launcher Basic damage, counts as a sidearm And I would actually be able to defend myself from infantry ( make it a gallente loyalty item) Lol I love these people who want to be Commandos without actually being Commandos. "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast & Blog www.biomassed.net
Godin Thekiller Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 3166	Posted - 2015.05.06 08:58:00 - [15] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: That's screw with the Commando's AV role, screw with vehicle balance some more, and further invalidate actual AV by making general infantry have the ability to just equip AV in their sidearm and grenades (both useless things half the times imo) and not have to worry about vehicles. One, commandos fulfil a role beyond AV. Carrying a long range weapon and a short range weapon to fulfil the need of the time. And regardless, 2 primary AV weapons would still be superior. Two, I'm not saying these things are nearly as powerful as their bigger counterparts. Not to mention infantry running one would put themselves at a disadvantage when said weapon isn't needed. More like ultra light AV weaponry, killing a tank would be a very long and drawn out process. And I don't think it would invalidate AV at all, if anything improve their capabilities and give them more options to work with, while putting them at a further disadvantage to conventional weaponry. It's not THAT terrible of an idea(right?). No different than AI sidearms. 1: Most of the times Commandos are fitted with either a AV weapon and a AI weapon, or two AV weapons as far as I've seen. It's primarily a AV suit; there's pretty much no other suit that really does it better due to sustained DPS. Also, I said its role, I never said its only role. 2: Never said you did say that, they don't have to be. Them existing is the problem; a squad not only doesn't have to dedicate 2 of its members to well protect its squad from vehicle encounters. That objectively makes infantry much less weaker in general against vehicles, and gives pilots a much harder time getting around. 3: Your point is why it screws with the Commando's AV role (not sure why you can't see that, but whatever), and not only that, but a team doesn't have to dedicate people to AV anymore, rather it can just be a 2 per squad basis carrying these sidearms. AV wouldn't be needed anymore, they would be really hurting the team's effectiveness tbh. Top lel


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