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Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 8391	Posted - 2015.05.05 14:48:00 - [1] - Quote Why is my alt of two years (my tank alt) suddenly unable to do ISK transfers? Requiring Loyalty Rank 4 do transfer ISK wasn't in the patch notes. There's never enough sh**posting going on, so let's add a few more teaspoons of the guy posting after me to the recipie!
Zaria Min Deir 0uter.Heaven Back and Forth 1378	Posted - 2015.05.05 14:53:00 - [2] - Quote Seems like a hasty move to stop some sort of an exploit (maybe an actual one, maybe not), that wasn't thought through, and has no actual consequence on anyone (particularly possible exploiters) other than causing an annoying, albeit fairly mild, inconvenience... So, doesn't seem like something worth implementing, and definitely not something worth "keeping secret"* until implemented. refers to not being mentioned in patch notes, and nowhere else in advance, and in public, that I am aware of Have you* considered installing the improved keyboard? "Go Go Power Rangers!"
Kain Spero Negative-Feedback 5090	Posted - 2015.05.05 14:53:00 - [3] - Quote The far reaching consequences of this change are unimaginable. Not only does this not solve anything (add character to corp, donate money, main takes money) is takes away a pillar of Dust 514 from a not insignacant chunk of the community. I've been running an escrow services for 2 years and now I can no longer do that from the character I've always used to ensure my transactions are clean and easy to track. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
Zaria Min Deir 0uter.Heaven Back and Forth 1378	Posted - 2015.05.05 14:57:00 - [4] - Quote Ah, yes, well, I stand corrected, it does have actual consequences on people like Mr. Kane Sperow, who run legitimate player made third party transfer services through established, but non-aurum spending alts. Have you considered installing the improved keyboard? "Go Go Power Rangers!"
Mr Kane Spero Spero Escrow Services 79	Posted - 2015.05.05 15:03:00 - [5] - Quote Zaria Min Deir wrote: Ah, yes, well, I stand corrected, it does have actual consequences on people like Mr. Kane Sperow, who run legitimate player made third party transfer services through established, but non-aurum spending alts. Yes, I operate the oldest currency exchange in New Eden and this directly impacts me and I can't see any good reasons that this would have even been implemented. I can understand traderestrictions due to the newsletter items, but limiting ISK transfers is beyond the pale. What is even worse is that this was not even mention in any of the patch notes as far as I can tell.
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 947	Posted - 2015.05.05 15:04:00 - [6] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Why is my alt of two years (my tank alt) suddenly unable to do ISK transfers? Requiring Loyalty Rank 4 do transfer ISK wasn't in the patch notes. Why do I need to burn aurum to be able to do this again when I had the ability before? Tard. Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 8395	Posted - 2015.05.05 15:06:00 - [7] - Quote Bright Cloud wrote: Tard. Please come back when you come up with something better than what I'd expect from an eight year old. I demand a higher class of troll. There's never enough sh**posting going on, so let's add a few more teaspoons of the guy posting after me to the recipie!
Brush Master KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 1532	Posted - 2015.05.05 15:07:00 - [8] - Quote I see zero benefit in limiting ISK transfers, it has been a part of the game for years. I also have an alt that I had some fun with, the http://dustlottery.com site was run off someone that was made for fun and to show what you could do with some eve side apis interacting with dust. Sure the site died out due to low playerbase and the low value of ISK, but we did not need a stealth nerf to transferring something we always could transfer, no matter if you paid into the game or not. This is a big thumbs down from a vet that cares about the game. I ask you to patch this up and remove the limit ASAP. Dust Veteran. June 2012 - ? True Logi. Flying DS from the start. @dustreports
Michael Epic Horizons' Edge 850	Posted - 2015.05.05 15:56:00 - [9] - Quote This has seriously affected me as well because like Kane Spero said....the ISK transfer guys from Dust/EVE are pretty much now out of business if they don't have their LEVEL 4 loyalty rank...which totally cut off MY ISK from EVE. So now I'm broke and running blueprint gear. Michael Epic's "EPIC" Proposal to his girlfriend :D
Kalante Schiffer Ancient Exiles. 1141	Posted - 2015.05.05 16:18:00 - [10] - Quote what's the point of not letting alt's transfer isk. AE

cammando 007 Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 14	Posted - 2015.05.05 16:21:00 - [11] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Why is my alt of two years (my tank alt) suddenly unable to do ISK transfers? Requiring Loyalty Rank 4 do transfer ISK wasn't in the patch notes. Why do I need to burn aurum to be able to do this again when I had the ability before? yeah ! good question ! WHAT the hell CCP !!
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game RUST415 1337	Posted - 2015.05.05 16:33:00 - [12] - Quote As for now you can get the ISK by creating a corp on your alt. Then use your main to claim the ISK and go back to your corp again. Caldari Loyalist thecreaturehub fan
Mr Kane Spero Spero Escrow Services 79	Posted - 2015.05.05 16:43:00 - [13] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: As for now you can get the ISK by creating a corp on your alt. Then use your main to claim the ISK and go back to your corp again. This. Putting ISK transfers behind a loyalty rank wall doesn't even solve any problems just creates inconvience and limiting the players that can participate in the player to player economy.
7th Son 7 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 935	Posted - 2015.05.05 16:44:00 - [14] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Why is my alt of two years (my tank alt) suddenly unable to do ISK transfers? Requiring Loyalty Rank 4 do transfer ISK wasn't in the patch notes. Why do I need to burn aurum to be able to do this again when I had the ability before? This is the first i'm hearing about this, wtf CCP? Only your complete and total awareness is needed, nothing else will do. ------------- OSHO
1913 DfLo ScReWeD uP InC Smart Deploy 351	Posted - 2015.05.05 16:55:00 - [15] - Quote Damn this sucks *I'm ScReWeD uP* New To Dust? Sign Up
Arirana Ancient Exiles. 937	Posted - 2015.05.05 17:12:00 - [16] - Quote This has to be the dumbest "FIX" I've ever seen. So a few people biomass and recreate alts so they can generate that sweet sweet 250k isk about once a day per alt, and CCP's response is ninja nerf every noob's ability to be scammed! At every turn CCP tries to swat away my tear cup... The Official Ari QQ Thread
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 9849	Posted - 2015.05.05 17:17:00 - [17] - Quote Arirana wrote: This has to be the dumbest "FIX" I've ever seen. So a few people biomass and recreate alts so they can generate that sweet sweet 250k isk about once a day per alt, and CCP's response is ninja nerf every noob's ability to be scammed! Biomass alt farming is not the issue. The warbarge passively generates ISK. Think about that for a minute... @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Gyn Wallace Ready to Play 350	Posted - 2015.05.05 17:17:00 - [18] - Quote Honestly, wouldn't you have been more surprised if CCP hadn't broken anything with the last patch? We're talking about a game where your turn rate depend less on your control inputs than your framerate... The fact that this ship is still even afloat is freaking amazing. The best things we can learn from this thread are the names of Dust's QA people, so we can expect a similar lack of testing wherever they land after their work on Dust ends. The Dust/Eve Isk Exchange Thread
Flint Beastgood III GunFall Mobilization 1717	Posted - 2015.05.05 17:20:00 - [19] - Quote Arirana wrote: This has to be the dumbest "FIX" I've ever seen. So a few people biomass and recreate alts so they can generate that sweet sweet 250k isk about once a day per alt, and CCP's response is ninja nerf every noob's ability to be scammed! At every turn CCP tries to swat away my tear cup... That was patched a while ago, it's now 25K ISK and the rest is (supposedly) spent on the skill books that are auto-trained when you make a new character. EDIT: This only reinforces your point. 'LR4-Trading' Protester
Arirana Ancient Exiles. 937	Posted - 2015.05.05 17:22:00 - [20] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Arirana wrote: This has to be the dumbest "FIX" I've ever seen. So a few people biomass and recreate alts so they can generate that sweet sweet 250k isk about once a day per alt, and CCP's response is ninja nerf every noob's ability to be scammed! Biomass alt farming is not the issue. The warbarge passively generates ISK. Think about that for a minute... Biomass alt farming is still a part of the issue, you can generate 750k per day for every psn account you own. For a PSN account with 3 characters with maxed out warbarges, I honestly don't know how much but it's definitely less and takes more investment lol edit: Well it just goes to show how much I biomass alt farm if I don't know that it was already patched. The Official Ari QQ Thread

Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 9851	Posted - 2015.05.05 17:24:00 - [21] - Quote Arirana wrote: Biomass alt farming is still a part of the issue, you can generate 750k per day for every psn account you own. For a PSN account with 3 characters with maxed out warbarges, I honestly don't know how much but it's definitely less and takes more investment lol New characters only start with 25k now, homie. And you don't need the warbarge "maxed out" to build the ISK subsystem. @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 4574	Posted - 2015.05.05 17:29:00 - [22] - Quote They want to shut Dust by making playerbase even more angry. Shaman's Shack - A place to trade
Gyn Wallace Ready to Play 351	Posted - 2015.05.05 17:35:00 - [23] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: The warbarge passively generates ISK. Think about that for a minute... I kind of wish someone at CCP had thought about that for a minute, before implementing it. Oh, but maybe they did... Warbarge introduces passive isk generation, which you can access more quickly for Aurum, and now isk transfers are accessible more quickly, if you spend enough Aurum... Perhaps I'm wrong and this wasn't a QA failure. Is pay-to-win that much worse than gradually putting more content behind pay-walls? They both reek of EA. The disturbing thing is that Dust was getting better for a while. Rattati's weapon balancing was making good progress, and gameplay was getting more fun, but lately... The matchmaking seems to have taken a dump. I used to get close matches somewhere between 33% and 50% of the time (I have a pretty loose idea of a "close" match). I'd say that's dropped somewhere below 20% of the time. Its low enough now, that I don't bother playing much anymore. I suppose everybody has a point where they don't enjoy a game enough to stick around, I just though that point for me was still beyond the horizon for Dust. Little things, like the subject of this thread, that doesn't even affect me directly but affects the people I play with, accrue over time. 2016, and the release of serious competitors to Eve and Dust, should have CCP's people focused. Instead they seem to be getting complacent or resigned to failing to approach delivering what lots of customers had hoped to see delivered well before now. The Dust/Eve Isk Exchange Thread
Michael Epic Horizons' Edge 852	Posted - 2015.05.05 17:41:00 - [24] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Arirana wrote: This has to be the dumbest "FIX" I've ever seen. So a few people biomass and recreate alts so they can generate that sweet sweet 250k isk about once a day per alt, and CCP's response is ninja nerf every noob's ability to be scammed! Biomass alt farming is not the issue. The warbarge passively generates ISK. Think about that for a minute... You know I had thought about that but think about it.... PSN = 16 accounts 16 accounts x 3 players each account = 48 accounts 48 accounts generating passive isk...I'm at level 112,353 so 112,353 x 48 = 5,392,944 every day x 30 days = 161,788,320 right? But the thing is, you have to empty it every 2 days. So you'd have to sign in to each thing individually and people have work, school, kids, responsibilities. Who has that much time to make imaginary money on a video game? Michael Epic's "EPIC" Proposal to his girlfriend :D
Kain Spero Negative-Feedback 5096	Posted - 2015.05.05 17:49:00 - [25] - Quote Again and again I see the barge brought up as a reason. Again you can just put said alts into a corp and use the corp wallet as an intermediary. At the same time I think this keeps showing the critical flaw in how the barge is set up as a passive based system. It should modify active play. Make components activly generated and the problem goes out the window. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
Michael Epic Horizons' Edge 853	Posted - 2015.05.05 17:55:00 - [26] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Again and again I see the barge brought up as a reason. Again you can just put said alts into a corp and use the corp wallet as an intermediary. At the same time I think this keeps showing the critical flaw in how the barge is set up as a passive based system. It should modify active play. Make components activly generated and the problem goes out the window. Also, to have a barge's ISK generation maxed out already it would have likely required AUR and as a result likely have Level 4 rank, so are we saything that if you put enough money in the game you should be able to "exploit" passive barge ISK generation freely? I tend to disagree with you that the warbarge shouldn't be passive. It would be seriously unfair if it weren't passive because not everyone has time to sit and play Dust 514 all day every day. Lets say WBC were only available through salvage and you got them every once in awhile...it would take years for people to get anywhere and the game might be dead and moved or re-invented elsewhere by the time they even got anything unlocked. Non-passive warbarge = bad bro...bad bad bad Michael Epic's "EPIC" Proposal to his girlfriend :D
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 8408	Posted - 2015.05.05 18:05:00 - [27] - Quote Michael Epic wrote: Non-passive warbarge = bad bro...bad bad bad Players should be rewarded for playing the game, not sitting back and collecting rewards for login every two days for thirty seconds. If components earned were tied to your WP generation primarily and the ISK factory on the ship added 3-5% per level to ISK/LP generated in contracts it would be a better setup overall. The SP subsystem would probably be better as a ghetto level SP booster at 25% or something. there's a lot of things that could be done to make the warbarge not entirely passive generation. But if the exploits are tied to the warbarge? Kill the passive generation with fire and make everything affected by battle performance. Better that than putting functions everyone depends upon behind a paywall retroactively. There's never enough sh**posting going on, so let's add a few more teaspoons of the guy posting after me to the recipie!
The ISK Fairy Mythological Munificence Organization 21	Posted - 2015.05.05 18:40:00 - [28] - Quote The ISK Fairy is dead. The ISK Fairy remains dead. And CCP has killed her. How shall they comfort themselves, the murderers of all murderers? Seriously, though, they ****ed me pretty hard. All I was trying to do was help new players and make the game a better place, but nope, $20 on a character that doesn't even fight or gtfo. So much for "muh metagaming".
Knightshade Belladonna Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 1401	Posted - 2015.05.05 20:13:00 - [29] - Quote my only guess , other than..because money .. is that it is somehow tied into the same coding. In order to roll it out as quickly as possible, it might be functioning in the same as isk transfer with item transfer. They might not have realized it at first, and then was like well fk it, we told them there would be simple trust trading. because money seems more logical though , i;d have done the same damn thing
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 4574	Posted - 2015.05.05 21:29:00 - [30] - Quote I really do not understand why CCP allow only certain players to use some feature of their game. There is a strange mentality behind their choices, they cut basic features and then pretend us to pay for unlock them in reasonable time instead of add more things, even useless things like skins. I don't know what is their plan, but for the moment they are proceeding against any common sense. Shaman's Shack - A place to trade

Tiny Pineapple Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 223	Posted - 2015.05.05 23:46:00 - [31] - Quote The worst part of this whole thing is that it wasn't mentioned in the patch notes. I can't even buy weapons or suits from people. This is ridiculous. Expert BF3 helicopter pilot
Sicerly Yaw Quantum times 138	Posted - 2015.05.06 00:52:00 - [32] - Quote Zaria Min Deir wrote: Seems like a hasty move to stop some sort of an exploit (maybe an actual one, maybe not), that wasn't thought through, and has no actual consequence on anyone (particularly possible exploiters) other than causing an annoying, albeit fairly mild, inconvenience... So, doesn't seem like something worth implementing, and definitely not something worth "keeping secret"* until implemented. *refers to not being mentioned in patch notes, and nowhere else in advance, and in public, that I am aware of you can still transfer isk trough corp wallet if that helps
Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 280	Posted - 2015.05.06 00:58:00 - [33] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Why is my alt of two years (my tank alt) suddenly unable to do ISK transfers? Requiring Loyalty Rank 4 do transfer ISK wasn't in the patch notes. Why do I need to burn aurum to be able to do this again when I had the ability before? CCP don#t want alt farming from the warbarges, only solution was to remove all free isk trading. I know its dumb. n++pâçGòÉS+Ç 28+ Million SP Merc n++pâçGòÉS+Ç Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉn¦ñ Caldari Loyalist Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉn¦ñ Of course we won, now when do I get paid?
Fluffy Exterminatus Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 23	Posted - 2015.05.06 01:03:00 - [34] - Quote Last time i did accounting money ie isk is an asset therefore it is in patch notes. Blood flows. Death comes. War rages (Verified/Certified and Insured by Djinn Kujo and KingThunderBlueballs)
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 8418	Posted - 2015.05.06 01:57:00 - [35] - Quote It wasn't in the patch notes. ISK changes have always been EXPLICIT in the patch notes. There's never enough sh**posting going on, so let's add a few more teaspoons of the guy posting after me to the recipie!

GM Archduke Game Masters C C P Alliance 1151	Posted - 2015.05.06 05:36:00 - [36] - Quote Ahoy! Don't ask me why this was implemented - or introduced - the way it was, but there's one thing I'd like to clarify. While this was in fact not spelled out in the patch notes /something like "Both sending items and sending ISK will be limited to Mercenaries with Loyalty Rank 4 or higher"/, it is technically mentioned. Introducing Player Trading "We wanted to unlock the potential of trading as soon as we could, so we have implemented it in the simplest form. Simply add other mercs as Contacts, and then send them an item or items. They will then (hopefully) send you ISK in return." "To prevent alt-farming and other exploitative behavior, we will be limiting all trades to Mercenaries with Loyalty Rank 4 or higher." To explain, the second quote is referring to "all trades" - instead of just sending items. As described in the first quote, trading consists of one party sending item/s/ and the other party sending the ISK. Thus, both actions are limited by the Loyalty Rank. GM Archduke CCP Customer Support \| EVE Online \| DUST 514

Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1513	Posted - 2015.05.06 06:06:00 - [37] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: Ahoy! Don't ask me why this was implemented - or introduced - the way it was, but there's one thing I'd like to clarify. While this was in fact not spelled out in the patch notes /something like "Both sending items and sending ISK will be limited to Mercenaries with Loyalty Rank 4 or higher"/, it is technically mentioned. Introducing Player Trading "We wanted to unlock the potential of trading as soon as we could, so we have implemented it in the simplest form. Simply add other mercs as Contacts, and then send them an item or items. They will then (hopefully) send you ISK in return." "To prevent alt-farming and other exploitative behavior, we will be limiting all trades to Mercenaries with Loyalty Rank 4 or higher." To explain, the second quote is referring to "all trades" - instead of just sending items. As described in the first quote, trading consists of one party sending item/s/ and the other party sending the ISK. Thus, both actions are limited by the Loyalty Rank. Lol, I would disagree on you that those quotes really cover ISK transfers.. Key word is transfer not trades.. Lol Overlord of Broman
Knightshade Belladonna Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 1415	Posted - 2015.05.06 06:14:00 - [38] - Quote Michael Epic wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Arirana wrote: This has to be the dumbest "FIX" I've ever seen. So a few people biomass and recreate alts so they can generate that sweet sweet 250k isk about once a day per alt, and CCP's response is ninja nerf every noob's ability to be scammed! Biomass alt farming is not the issue. The warbarge passively generates ISK. Think about that for a minute... You know I had thought about that but think about it.... PSN = 16 accounts 16 accounts x 3 players each account = 48 accounts 48 accounts generating passive isk...I'm at level 112,353 so 112,353 x 48 = 5,392,944 every day x 30 days = 161,788,320 right? But the thing is, you have to empty it every 2 days. So you'd have to sign in to each thing individually and people have work, school, kids, responsibilities. Who has that much time to make imaginary money on a video game? you would be surprised especially in America, land of the entitled gimme while I sit on me butt which is where I live, I can say this **** , and it's true
Mr Kane Spero Spero Escrow Services 85	Posted - 2015.05.06 06:50:00 - [39] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: Ahoy! Don't ask me why this was implemented - or introduced - the way it was, but there's one thing I'd like to clarify. While this was in fact not spelled out in the patch notes /something like "Both sending items and sending ISK will be limited to Mercenaries with Loyalty Rank 4 or higher"/, it is technically mentioned. Introducing Player Trading "We wanted to unlock the potential of trading as soon as we could, so we have implemented it in the simplest form. Simply add other mercs as Contacts, and then send them an item or items. They will then (hopefully) send you ISK in return." "To prevent alt-farming and other exploitative behavior, we will be limiting all trades to Mercenaries with Loyalty Rank 4 or higher." To explain, the second quote is referring to "all trades" - instead of just sending items. As described in the first quote, trading consists of one party sending item/s/ and the other party sending the ISK. Thus, both actions are limited by the Loyalty Rank. All trades is hardly any kind of explanation. That this change has landed this way caught even the CPM by surprise.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 8418	Posted - 2015.05.06 07:15:00 - [40] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: Ahoy! Don't ask me why this was implemented - or introduced - the way it was, but there's one thing I'd like to clarify. While this was in fact not spelled out in the patch notes /something like "Both sending items and sending ISK will be limited to Mercenaries with Loyalty Rank 4 or higher"/, it is technically mentioned. Introducing Player Trading "We wanted to unlock the potential of trading as soon as we could, so we have implemented it in the simplest form. Simply add other mercs as Contacts, and then send them an item or items. They will then (hopefully) send you ISK in return." "To prevent alt-farming and other exploitative behavior, we will be limiting all trades to Mercenaries with Loyalty Rank 4 or higher." To explain, the second quote is referring to "all trades" - instead of just sending items. As described in the first quote, trading consists of one party sending item/s/ and the other party sending the ISK. Thus, both actions are limited by the Loyalty Rank. Doesn't change the fact that a feature we once had, is now behind a paywall, Archduke. I'd like to know why that ability was taken away. There's never enough sh**posting going on, so let's add a few more teaspoons of the guy posting after me to the recipie!


GM Archduke Game Masters C C P Alliance 1152	Posted - 2015.05.06 07:15:00 - [41] - Quote To simplify, transferring ISK is 50% of the current trading mechanic, and as such subject to the Loyalty Rank 4 limit of trading. I would've preferred a more obvious mention of this in the patch notes or the DEV Blog as well... One of the reasons I requested to be more involved with community stuff. GM Archduke CCP Customer Support \| EVE Online \| DUST 514

Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 8418	Posted - 2015.05.06 07:18:00 - [42] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: To simplify, transferring ISK is 50% of the current trading mechanic, and as such subject to the Loyalty Rank 4 limit of trading. I would've preferred a more obvious mention of this in the patch notes or the DEV Blog as well... One of the reasons I requested to be more involved with community stuff. I'd preferred that the ability to tranfer ISK not be taken away. some players have used bank alts so they could save ISK, Kain's been doing his Escrow thing, Alts have been made CEOs of corps for wallet safety. this is kinda weird, having those assets suddely blocked and no real explanation as to why, and the only thing any of us can think of? Warbarge. There's never enough sh**posting going on, so let's add a few more teaspoons of the guy posting after me to the recipie!
Kain Spero Negative-Feedback 5113	Posted - 2015.05.06 08:29:00 - [43] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: To simplify, transferring ISK is 50% of the current trading mechanic, and as such subject to the Loyalty Rank 4 limit of trading. I would've preferred a more obvious mention of this in the patch notes or the DEV Blog as well... One of the reasons I requested to be more involved with community stuff. I'm sorry but that the CPM didn't even know about this makes me think that no where was this idea or concept of turning off ISK transfers really brought up and vetted properly. Also, are we trying to say that "exploiting" warbarge ISK production is okay as long as you have put money into the system? 'Pay to exploit' doesn't really seem like a good model. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
The Lion ElJonson 1st Legion The Dark Angels Learning Alliance 176	Posted - 2015.05.06 11:25:00 - [44] - Quote you want to reach LR4 quicker use any type of 'Neo' suits you have, don't know how just that it does work. The chat channel 'player trade' is open for adding contacts and placing item advertisements in game.
Gyn Wallace Ready to Play 356	Posted - 2015.05.06 14:58:00 - [45] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: To simplify, transferring ISK is 50% of the current trading mechanic, and as such subject to the Loyalty Rank 4 limit of trading. I would've preferred a more obvious mention of this in the patch notes or the DEV Blog as well... One of the reasons I requested to be more involved with community stuff. Let's back up for a moment. The gaff here is showing contempt for the players by not warning them about this decision to place a previously available feature (isk gifting) behind a pay wall. You don't fix that by showing more contempt for the players by offering a patently false claim that we were warned, just not clearly enough. I need to consider whether I should suspend trades until I know that I'm not encouraging the use of pay-walled content. I realize other exchanges might just pick up the slack, but I would be disgusted to learn that one of my customers had to buy Aurum to use my exchange... I have zero desire to HELP CCP turn into EA. Kain, are you at all worried that continuing exchange operations is going to encourage newer players to pay Aurum to use your exchange? I'm perfectly happy to collude on this subject. The Dust/Eve Isk Exchange Thread
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 8422	Posted - 2015.05.06 15:01:00 - [46] - Quote Gyn Wallace wrote: Kain, are you at all worried that continuing exchange operations is going to encourage newer players to pay Aurum to use your exchange? I'm perfectly happy to collude on this subject. It's going to force it. However new players who would otherwise use Kain's service (long-term EVE players) will simply ignore that trading in DUST exists till they hit rank 4 rather than shell out money for the privilege. There's never enough sh**posting going on, so let's add a few more teaspoons of the guy posting after me to the recipie!
Mr Kane Spero Spero Escrow Services 96	Posted - 2015.05.06 19:27:00 - [47] - Quote Gyn Wallace wrote: Kain, are you at all worried that continuing exchange operations is going to encourage newer players to pay Aurum to use your exchange? I'm perfectly happy to collude on this subject. At this point it seems like I will just have to use the send-money-to-corp work around and utilize a higher rank alt to deal with the transactions. Worst case scenario I put my main into Spero Escrow Services and handle it that way. In the end I`ll figure out a way to deal with the situation the sad result is the numerous players that don`t have the kind of resources I do to deal with this restriction.


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