DUST Search - ISK transfers

GM Archduke wrote:

Ahoy!

Don't ask me why this was implemented - or introduced - the way it was, but there's one thing I'd like to clarify. While this was in fact not spelled out in the patch notes /something like "Both sending items and sending ISK will be limited to Mercenaries with Loyalty Rank 4 or higher"/, it is technically mentioned.

Introducing Player Trading

"We wanted to unlock the potential of trading as soon as we could, so we have implemented it in the simplest form. Simply add other mercs as Contacts, and then send them an item or items. They will then (hopefully) send you ISK in return."

"To prevent alt-farming and other exploitative behavior, we will be limiting all trades to Mercenaries with Loyalty Rank 4 or higher."

To explain, the second quote is referring to "all trades" - instead of just sending items. As described in the first quote, trading consists of one party sending item/s/ and the other party sending the ISK. Thus, both actions are limited by the Loyalty Rank.

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Tiny Pineapple Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 223	Posted - 2015.05.05 23:46:00 - [31] - Quote The worst part of this whole thing is that it wasn't mentioned in the patch notes. I can't even buy weapons or suits from people. This is ridiculous. Expert BF3 helicopter pilot
Sicerly Yaw Quantum times 138	Posted - 2015.05.06 00:52:00 - [32] - Quote Zaria Min Deir wrote: Seems like a hasty move to stop some sort of an exploit (maybe an actual one, maybe not), that wasn't thought through, and has no actual consequence on anyone (particularly possible exploiters) other than causing an annoying, albeit fairly mild, inconvenience... So, doesn't seem like something worth implementing, and definitely not something worth "keeping secret"* until implemented. *refers to not being mentioned in patch notes, and nowhere else in advance, and in public, that I am aware of you can still transfer isk trough corp wallet if that helps
Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 280	Posted - 2015.05.06 00:58:00 - [33] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Why is my alt of two years (my tank alt) suddenly unable to do ISK transfers? Requiring Loyalty Rank 4 do transfer ISK wasn't in the patch notes. Why do I need to burn aurum to be able to do this again when I had the ability before? CCP don#t want alt farming from the warbarges, only solution was to remove all free isk trading. I know its dumb. n++pâçGòÉS+Ç 28+ Million SP Merc n++pâçGòÉS+Ç Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉn¦ñ Caldari Loyalist Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉn¦ñ Of course we won, now when do I get paid?
Fluffy Exterminatus Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 23	Posted - 2015.05.06 01:03:00 - [34] - Quote Last time i did accounting money ie isk is an asset therefore it is in patch notes. Blood flows. Death comes. War rages (Verified/Certified and Insured by Djinn Kujo and KingThunderBlueballs)
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 8418	Posted - 2015.05.06 01:57:00 - [35] - Quote It wasn't in the patch notes. ISK changes have always been EXPLICIT in the patch notes. There's never enough sh**posting going on, so let's add a few more teaspoons of the guy posting after me to the recipie!

GM Archduke Game Masters C C P Alliance 1151	Posted - 2015.05.06 05:36:00 - [36] - Quote Ahoy! Don't ask me why this was implemented - or introduced - the way it was, but there's one thing I'd like to clarify. While this was in fact not spelled out in the patch notes /something like "Both sending items and sending ISK will be limited to Mercenaries with Loyalty Rank 4 or higher"/, it is technically mentioned. Introducing Player Trading "We wanted to unlock the potential of trading as soon as we could, so we have implemented it in the simplest form. Simply add other mercs as Contacts, and then send them an item or items. They will then (hopefully) send you ISK in return." "To prevent alt-farming and other exploitative behavior, we will be limiting all trades to Mercenaries with Loyalty Rank 4 or higher." To explain, the second quote is referring to "all trades" - instead of just sending items. As described in the first quote, trading consists of one party sending item/s/ and the other party sending the ISK. Thus, both actions are limited by the Loyalty Rank. GM Archduke CCP Customer Support \| EVE Online \| DUST 514

Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1513	Posted - 2015.05.06 06:06:00 - [37] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: Ahoy! Don't ask me why this was implemented - or introduced - the way it was, but there's one thing I'd like to clarify. While this was in fact not spelled out in the patch notes /something like "Both sending items and sending ISK will be limited to Mercenaries with Loyalty Rank 4 or higher"/, it is technically mentioned. Introducing Player Trading "We wanted to unlock the potential of trading as soon as we could, so we have implemented it in the simplest form. Simply add other mercs as Contacts, and then send them an item or items. They will then (hopefully) send you ISK in return." "To prevent alt-farming and other exploitative behavior, we will be limiting all trades to Mercenaries with Loyalty Rank 4 or higher." To explain, the second quote is referring to "all trades" - instead of just sending items. As described in the first quote, trading consists of one party sending item/s/ and the other party sending the ISK. Thus, both actions are limited by the Loyalty Rank. Lol, I would disagree on you that those quotes really cover ISK transfers.. Key word is transfer not trades.. Lol Overlord of Broman
Knightshade Belladonna Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 1415	Posted - 2015.05.06 06:14:00 - [38] - Quote Michael Epic wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Arirana wrote: This has to be the dumbest "FIX" I've ever seen. So a few people biomass and recreate alts so they can generate that sweet sweet 250k isk about once a day per alt, and CCP's response is ninja nerf every noob's ability to be scammed! Biomass alt farming is not the issue. The warbarge passively generates ISK. Think about that for a minute... You know I had thought about that but think about it.... PSN = 16 accounts 16 accounts x 3 players each account = 48 accounts 48 accounts generating passive isk...I'm at level 112,353 so 112,353 x 48 = 5,392,944 every day x 30 days = 161,788,320 right? But the thing is, you have to empty it every 2 days. So you'd have to sign in to each thing individually and people have work, school, kids, responsibilities. Who has that much time to make imaginary money on a video game? you would be surprised especially in America, land of the entitled gimme while I sit on me butt which is where I live, I can say this **** , and it's true
Mr Kane Spero Spero Escrow Services 85	Posted - 2015.05.06 06:50:00 - [39] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: Ahoy! Don't ask me why this was implemented - or introduced - the way it was, but there's one thing I'd like to clarify. While this was in fact not spelled out in the patch notes /something like "Both sending items and sending ISK will be limited to Mercenaries with Loyalty Rank 4 or higher"/, it is technically mentioned. Introducing Player Trading "We wanted to unlock the potential of trading as soon as we could, so we have implemented it in the simplest form. Simply add other mercs as Contacts, and then send them an item or items. They will then (hopefully) send you ISK in return." "To prevent alt-farming and other exploitative behavior, we will be limiting all trades to Mercenaries with Loyalty Rank 4 or higher." To explain, the second quote is referring to "all trades" - instead of just sending items. As described in the first quote, trading consists of one party sending item/s/ and the other party sending the ISK. Thus, both actions are limited by the Loyalty Rank. All trades is hardly any kind of explanation. That this change has landed this way caught even the CPM by surprise.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 8418	Posted - 2015.05.06 07:15:00 - [40] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: Ahoy! Don't ask me why this was implemented - or introduced - the way it was, but there's one thing I'd like to clarify. While this was in fact not spelled out in the patch notes /something like "Both sending items and sending ISK will be limited to Mercenaries with Loyalty Rank 4 or higher"/, it is technically mentioned. Introducing Player Trading "We wanted to unlock the potential of trading as soon as we could, so we have implemented it in the simplest form. Simply add other mercs as Contacts, and then send them an item or items. They will then (hopefully) send you ISK in return." "To prevent alt-farming and other exploitative behavior, we will be limiting all trades to Mercenaries with Loyalty Rank 4 or higher." To explain, the second quote is referring to "all trades" - instead of just sending items. As described in the first quote, trading consists of one party sending item/s/ and the other party sending the ISK. Thus, both actions are limited by the Loyalty Rank. Doesn't change the fact that a feature we once had, is now behind a paywall, Archduke. I'd like to know why that ability was taken away. There's never enough sh**posting going on, so let's add a few more teaspoons of the guy posting after me to the recipie!


GM Archduke Game Masters C C P Alliance 1152	Posted - 2015.05.06 07:15:00 - [41] - Quote To simplify, transferring ISK is 50% of the current trading mechanic, and as such subject to the Loyalty Rank 4 limit of trading. I would've preferred a more obvious mention of this in the patch notes or the DEV Blog as well... One of the reasons I requested to be more involved with community stuff. GM Archduke CCP Customer Support \| EVE Online \| DUST 514

Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 8418	Posted - 2015.05.06 07:18:00 - [42] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: To simplify, transferring ISK is 50% of the current trading mechanic, and as such subject to the Loyalty Rank 4 limit of trading. I would've preferred a more obvious mention of this in the patch notes or the DEV Blog as well... One of the reasons I requested to be more involved with community stuff. I'd preferred that the ability to tranfer ISK not be taken away. some players have used bank alts so they could save ISK, Kain's been doing his Escrow thing, Alts have been made CEOs of corps for wallet safety. this is kinda weird, having those assets suddely blocked and no real explanation as to why, and the only thing any of us can think of? Warbarge. There's never enough sh**posting going on, so let's add a few more teaspoons of the guy posting after me to the recipie!
Kain Spero Negative-Feedback 5113	Posted - 2015.05.06 08:29:00 - [43] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: To simplify, transferring ISK is 50% of the current trading mechanic, and as such subject to the Loyalty Rank 4 limit of trading. I would've preferred a more obvious mention of this in the patch notes or the DEV Blog as well... One of the reasons I requested to be more involved with community stuff. I'm sorry but that the CPM didn't even know about this makes me think that no where was this idea or concept of turning off ISK transfers really brought up and vetted properly. Also, are we trying to say that "exploiting" warbarge ISK production is okay as long as you have put money into the system? 'Pay to exploit' doesn't really seem like a good model. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
The Lion ElJonson 1st Legion The Dark Angels Learning Alliance 176	Posted - 2015.05.06 11:25:00 - [44] - Quote you want to reach LR4 quicker use any type of 'Neo' suits you have, don't know how just that it does work. The chat channel 'player trade' is open for adding contacts and placing item advertisements in game.
Gyn Wallace Ready to Play 356	Posted - 2015.05.06 14:58:00 - [45] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: To simplify, transferring ISK is 50% of the current trading mechanic, and as such subject to the Loyalty Rank 4 limit of trading. I would've preferred a more obvious mention of this in the patch notes or the DEV Blog as well... One of the reasons I requested to be more involved with community stuff. Let's back up for a moment. The gaff here is showing contempt for the players by not warning them about this decision to place a previously available feature (isk gifting) behind a pay wall. You don't fix that by showing more contempt for the players by offering a patently false claim that we were warned, just not clearly enough. I need to consider whether I should suspend trades until I know that I'm not encouraging the use of pay-walled content. I realize other exchanges might just pick up the slack, but I would be disgusted to learn that one of my customers had to buy Aurum to use my exchange... I have zero desire to HELP CCP turn into EA. Kain, are you at all worried that continuing exchange operations is going to encourage newer players to pay Aurum to use your exchange? I'm perfectly happy to collude on this subject. The Dust/Eve Isk Exchange Thread
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 8422	Posted - 2015.05.06 15:01:00 - [46] - Quote Gyn Wallace wrote: Kain, are you at all worried that continuing exchange operations is going to encourage newer players to pay Aurum to use your exchange? I'm perfectly happy to collude on this subject. It's going to force it. However new players who would otherwise use Kain's service (long-term EVE players) will simply ignore that trading in DUST exists till they hit rank 4 rather than shell out money for the privilege. There's never enough sh**posting going on, so let's add a few more teaspoons of the guy posting after me to the recipie!
Mr Kane Spero Spero Escrow Services 96	Posted - 2015.05.06 19:27:00 - [47] - Quote Gyn Wallace wrote: Kain, are you at all worried that continuing exchange operations is going to encourage newer players to pay Aurum to use your exchange? I'm perfectly happy to collude on this subject. At this point it seems like I will just have to use the send-money-to-corp work around and utilize a higher rank alt to deal with the transactions. Worst case scenario I put my main into Spero Escrow Services and handle it that way. In the end I`ll figure out a way to deal with the situation the sad result is the numerous players that don`t have the kind of resources I do to deal with this restriction.


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