DUST Search - congrats on tweaking matchmake making to ruin new player experience

Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:

Joseph Ridgeson wrote:

Matchmaking has been non-existent for as long as the game has been out. They have tried now to have some semblance of balance but the new player is still going to get hosed. I think some help would be tieraciding dropsuits like tanks but even then, the game is brutally difficult for new players.

Or maybe they could bring back the warbarge pre-deployment and allow 1:30 to 2 mins for RANDOM players to create squads and mix and mingle . Kill the que's and ready made stomp squads in skirmish and make them more like a pub ( Public = Random ) should be so that they can't be taken advantage of ... out of 16 players , 4 pro players or players with high MU scores , 4 adv players with middle of the pack MU scores and 8 lower MU or out of the academy players ... time allowed to create squads and give them a MU cap of X amount somewhat like the meta total of infantry fits , so that all the better players can't all squad with each other while on the same team and promoting diversity of ranks in squads with the better players " schooling " the weaker players but having even teams more or less to account with the set up implemented .

This way the better players can help the weaker or newer players understand the mechanics of the game , com with them to teach them the ways of combat and prob corp promoting as well .

Pubs should be random players ... no que's or ready made stomp / same corp squads .

FW should be merged with ACQ

Dom and Ambush should stay as is

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kunta kintay Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2015.05.04 22:25:00 - [1] - Quote So I have about 1.5 mil sp and not even 100k lifetime wp and yet consistently I am being place into matches with the opposing side being of top tier corps like OH, Arendee, Planet Express etc. my KDR is horrible I can barely wear a basic adv suit with all basic equipment. the ** is this logic? why am I placed against these teams with a mix of NPC corps and no name corps. This is compounded when they see who they are facing and mass leave. You realize that new players means an influx of more potential money correct? why the ** would i want to spend money on this game when all I am good for at this point is to just give the vets kills?
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 3866	Posted - 2015.05.04 22:27:00 - [2] - Quote How do you know who the "top tier" corps are again? Sniper Rifles are for Nitrogenous Dioxide Borons First to PM me with common name wins (no Hyansaru, u win too much ;P)
kunta kintay Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2015.05.04 22:30:00 - [3] - Quote its not hard to figure out.
WeapondigitX V7 The Exemplars 372	Posted - 2015.05.04 22:32:00 - [4] - Quote Perhaps players should assume the matchmaking is working as intended, and decide not to be demoralized, and fight like a blood thirsty/ WP thirsty merc. Perhaps the stomps would not be so bad if players tried there best, tried to ask around how to win in certain ways on the forums, describe the situation, consider if they are deadly accurate or only have average marksmanship (average is roughly 80% bullets hit target). If its laggy, I don't blame mass leaving.
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 3866	Posted - 2015.05.04 22:34:00 - [5] - Quote WeapondigitX V7 wrote: Perhaps players should assume the matchmaking is working as intended, and decide not to be demoralized, and fight like a blood thirsty/ WP thirsty merc. Perhaps the stomps would not be so bad if players tried there best, tried to ask around how to win in certain ways on the forums, describe the situation, consider if they are deadly accurate or only have average marksmanship (average is roughly 80% bullets hit target). If its laggy, I don't blame mass leaving. +1 Sniper Rifles are for Nitrogenous Dioxide Borons First to PM me with common name wins (no Hyansaru, u win too much ;P)
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens 3989	Posted - 2015.05.04 22:35:00 - [6] - Quote Matchmaking has been non-existent for as long as the game has been out. They have tried now to have some semblance of balance but the new player is still going to get hosed. I think some help would be tieraciding dropsuits like tanks but even then, the game is brutally difficult for new players. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Scheneighnay McBob And the ButtPirates 6387	Posted - 2015.05.04 22:40:00 - [7] - Quote kunta kintay wrote: its not hard to figure out. Except those aren't top tier, they're mid-tier corps. Likely newer recruits to said mid-tier corps that just know what teamwork is. Some details can be ignored
kunta kintay Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2015.05.04 22:42:00 - [8] - Quote I am trying I try to follow and stick together with people, I have good aim/ fair aim. Match making was golden up until about 3 days ago I dont know what happened I am playing at the same time as always yet it is exponentially harder. I am not talking about academy that lasted about 4 games for me but all the 50 games or so before the 3 days ago. Maybe I have horrible luck lately I dont know but 8milita and 6 adv and a proto here and there dont have much luck against squaded up proto vets and its very disheartening. I am trying to stick with it but how much fun is it honetly when you are trying your damnest to help the team putting links flying your viper with a MCRU trying to shift the dynamic but its for not and you consistently are 2/15?
7th Son 7 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 929	Posted - 2015.05.04 22:43:00 - [9] - Quote WeapondigitX V7 wrote: Perhaps players should assume the matchmaking is working as intended, and decide not to be demoralized, and fight like a blood thirsty/ WP thirsty merc. Perhaps the stomps would not be so bad if players tried there best, tried to ask around how to win in certain ways on the forums, describe the situation, consider if they are deadly accurate or only have average marksmanship (average is roughly 80% bullets hit target). If its laggy, I don't blame mass leaving. So you think he should pump himself up for the match? that will only work so much, if he keeps dying repeatedly this imo speaks to player retention. And let's not forget us die hard mercs need these players to not keep quiting. Only your complete and total awareness is needed, nothing else will do. ------------- OSHO
Terry Webber Molon Labe. RUST415 687	Posted - 2015.05.04 22:47:00 - [10] - Quote Have you been playing solo, kunta? You might get better fights more often in a squad.

Knightshade Belladonna Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 1376	Posted - 2015.05.04 22:49:00 - [11] - Quote My alt who has yet to even hit 1 mil sp , gets tossed into these matches. sure it can suck sometimes, but you get paid well cus they lose expensive ** ( that is, if your team can kill them) , and it's rewarding to kill them knowing you don't have for skills and they just got mowed down by a starter fit, or standard mixed with militia now if you are a kdr ***, and think stats mean something... well, then it might just suck all around
WeapondigitX V7 The Exemplars 373	Posted - 2015.05.04 22:49:00 - [12] - Quote 7th Son 7 wrote: WeapondigitX V7 wrote: Perhaps players should assume the matchmaking is working as intended, and decide not to be demoralized, and fight like a blood thirsty/ WP thirsty merc. Perhaps the stomps would not be so bad if players tried there best, tried to ask around how to win in certain ways on the forums, describe the situation, consider if they are deadly accurate or only have average marksmanship (average is roughly 80% bullets hit target). If its laggy, I don't blame mass leaving. So you think he should pump himself up for the match? that will only work so much, if he keeps dying repeatedly this imo speaks to player retention. And let's not forget us die hard mercs need these players to not keep quiting. I am saying that he would more likely have more fun matches if players didn't choose to mass leave matches.
Knightshade Belladonna Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 1377	Posted - 2015.05.04 22:51:00 - [13] - Quote use other people as your shield and take advantage of cover also , til your sp is up and you have better gear. That is a pretty obvious thing , I guess, but it really does work.. my alt has better stats than my main as far as kdr goes
Knightshade Belladonna Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 1377	Posted - 2015.05.04 22:53:00 - [14] - Quote kunta kintay wrote: I am trying I try to follow and stick together with people, I have good aim/ fair aim. Match making was golden up until about 3 days ago I dont know what happened I am playing at the same time as always yet it is exponentially harder. I am not talking about academy that lasted about 4 games for me but all the 50 games or so before the 3 days ago. Maybe I have horrible luck lately I dont know but 8milita and 6 adv and a proto here and there dont have much luck against squaded up proto vets and its very disheartening. I am trying to stick with it but how much fun is it honetly when you are trying your damnest to help the team putting links flying your viper with a MCRU trying to shift the dynamic but its for not and you consistently are 2/15? sounds like you did very good lately..and then they moved you up it's not perfect
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 2049	Posted - 2015.05.04 22:53:00 - [15] - Quote OP are you an ALT ? Doubts are like bothersome flies and should be treated as such and crushed . #PubsShouldBeRandomPlayers
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 2049	Posted - 2015.05.04 22:56:00 - [16] - Quote Knightshade Belladonna wrote: Use other people as your shield . I should do this more often and have never given this thought , I guess since I'm a logi by trade I'm thinking about reps but I might give this a try . Sounds kinda underhanded though but what the hell .. . Doubts are like bothersome flies and should be treated as such and crushed . #PubsShouldBeRandomPlayers
7th Son 7 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 929	Posted - 2015.05.04 22:58:00 - [17] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: OP are you an ALT ? I'm guna be so mad if this is an alt Only your complete and total awareness is needed, nothing else will do. ------------- OSHO
Knightshade Belladonna Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 1378	Posted - 2015.05.04 23:01:00 - [18] - Quote 7th Son 7 wrote: [quote=Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui]OP are you an ALT ? I'm guna be so mad if this is an alt [/quote ..lol.. how much?? isk
Knightshade Belladonna Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 1378	Posted - 2015.05.04 23:02:00 - [19] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Knightshade Belladonna wrote: Use other people as your shield . I should do this more often and have never given this thought , I guess since I'm a logi by trade I'm thinking about reps but I might give this a try . Sounds kinda underhanded though but what the hell .. . New Eden empires are built through underhanded tactics, nothing new there the goood guy always loses in the end here
7th Son 7 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 930	Posted - 2015.05.04 23:04:00 - [20] - Quote Knightshade Belladonna wrote: 7th Son 7 wrote: [quote=Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui]OP are you an ALT ? I'm guna be so mad if this is an alt [/quote ..lol.. how much?? isk lol no isk transfer, i'm just trying to believe OP at face value w/no disbelief Only your complete and total awareness is needed, nothing else will do. ------------- OSHO

Knightshade Belladonna Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 1383	Posted - 2015.05.04 23:06:00 - [21] - Quote 7th Son 7 wrote: Knightshade Belladonna wrote: 7th Son 7 wrote: [quote=Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui]OP are you an ALT ? I'm guna be so mad if this is an alt [/quote ..lol.. how much?? isk lol no isk transfer, i'm just trying to believe OP at face value w/no disbelief ahhh he knows the game well, and uses words tossed around here frequently like a vet.. but eh, whatever he might just not like forums and got tired of getting stomped so had to speak up
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 2049	Posted - 2015.05.04 23:08:00 - [22] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Matchmaking has been non-existent for as long as the game has been out. They have tried now to have some semblance of balance but the new player is still going to get hosed. I think some help would be tieraciding dropsuits like tanks but even then, the game is brutally difficult for new players. Or maybe they could bring back the warbarge pre-deployment and allow 1:30 to 2 mins for RANDOM players to create squads and mix and mingle . Kill the que's and ready made stomp squads in skirmish and make them more like a pub ( Public = Random ) should be so that they can't be taken advantage of ... out of 16 players , 4 pro players or players with high MU scores , 4 adv players with middle of the pack MU scores and 8 lower MU or out of the academy players ... time allowed to create squads and give them a MU cap of X amount somewhat like the meta total of infantry fits , so that all the better players can't all squad with each other while on the same team and promoting diversity of ranks in squads with the better players " schooling " the weaker players but having even teams more or less to account with the set up implemented . This way the better players can help the weaker or newer players understand the mechanics of the game , com with them to teach them the ways of combat and prob corp promoting as well . Pubs should be random players ... no que's or ready made stomp / same corp squads . FW should be merged with ACQ Dom and Ambush should stay as is Doubts are like bothersome flies and should be treated as such and crushed . #PubsShouldBeRandomPlayers
kunta kintay Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2015.05.04 23:09:00 - [23] - Quote I dont really care for KDR just know that it was supposed to be one of the things that make you get into "fair" fights. yea I have plenty of isk because I cant run anything that would make anyone scared of me so there is that. Also I have worse luck in squads then when solo. The squad finder seems full of immature kids so I typically prefer to play alone. Most corps dont want to have a low level character since I dont bring much to the field in the way of equipment or killing potential
7th Son 7 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 932	Posted - 2015.05.04 23:11:00 - [24] - Quote Knightshade Belladonna wrote: 7th Son 7 wrote: Knightshade Belladonna wrote: 7th Son 7 wrote: [quote=Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui]OP are you an ALT ? I'm guna be so mad if this is an alt [/quote ..lol.. how much?? isk lol no isk transfer, i'm just trying to believe OP at face value w/no disbelief ahhh he knows the game well, and uses words tossed around here frequently like a vet.. but eh, whatever he might just not like forums and got tired of getting stomped so had to speak up No wonder there's a troll problem, their ****** everywhere!, well everybody but me at least. lol Only your complete and total awareness is needed, nothing else will do. ------------- OSHO
Knightshade Belladonna Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 1383	Posted - 2015.05.04 23:13:00 - [25] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Matchmaking has been non-existent for as long as the game has been out. They have tried now to have some semblance of balance but the new player is still going to get hosed. I think some help would be tieraciding dropsuits like tanks but even then, the game is brutally difficult for new players. Or maybe they could bring back the warbarge pre-deployment and allow 1:30 to 2 mins for RANDOM players to create squads and mix and mingle . Kill the que's and ready made stomp squads in skirmish and make them more like a pub ( Public = Random ) should be so that they can't be taken advantage of ... out of 16 players , 4 pro players or players with high MU scores , 4 adv players with middle of the pack MU scores and 8 lower MU or out of the academy players ... time allowed to create squads and give them a MU cap of X amount somewhat like the meta total of infantry fits , so that all the better players can't all squad with each other while on the same team and promoting diversity of ranks in squads with the better players " schooling " the weaker players but having even teams more or less to account with the set up implemented . This way the better players can help the weaker or newer players understand the mechanics of the game , com with them to teach them the ways of combat and prob corp promoting as well . Pubs should be random players ... no que's or ready made stomp / same corp squads . FW should be merged with ACQ Dom and Ambush should stay as is Right!! why the hell did they remove it? when I cam back I was sooo disapointed in it being gone. You get a quick flash of it, that's it.. like wtf we used to use that , form squads , get loners in by saying zMORE WP , big boom from the sky splosions.. and it worked. would also have time to realize your opponent, and if you knew them well..you could know what they like to do, and formulate a plan.. yes, even in that 2 min.. but now, nope.. into the slaughter you go
7th Son 7 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 932	Posted - 2015.05.04 23:14:00 - [26] - Quote kunta kintay wrote: I dont really care for KDR just know that it was supposed to be one of the things that make you get into "fair" fights. yea I have plenty of isk because I cant run anything that would make anyone scared of me so there is that. Also I have worse luck in squads then when solo. The squad finder seems full of immature kids so I typically prefer to play alone. Most corps dont want to have a low level character since I dont bring much to the field in the way of equipment or killing potential Try joining a Learning Alliance/Training Corp Only your complete and total awareness is needed, nothing else will do. ------------- OSHO
Knightshade Belladonna Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 1383	Posted - 2015.05.04 23:18:00 - [27] - Quote 7th Son 7 wrote: kunta kintay wrote: I dont really care for KDR just know that it was supposed to be one of the things that make you get into "fair" fights. yea I have plenty of isk because I cant run anything that would make anyone scared of me so there is that. Also I have worse luck in squads then when solo. The squad finder seems full of immature kids so I typically prefer to play alone. Most corps dont want to have a low level character since I dont bring much to the field in the way of equipment or killing potential Try joining a Learning Alliance/Training Corp this, there are a few , that will take you on. I learned pretty quick that squad finder is a joke. There are some good squad channels out there also that would let you run with
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 2050	Posted - 2015.05.04 23:22:00 - [28] - Quote Knightshade Belladonna wrote: Right!! why the hell did they remove it? when I cam back I was sooo disapointed in it being gone. You get a quick flash of it, that's it.. like wtf we used to use that , form squads , get loners in by saying zMORE WP , big boom from the sky splosions.. and it worked. would also have time to realize your opponent, and if you knew them well..you could know what they like to do, and formulate a plan.. yes, even in that 2 min.. but now, nope.. into the slaughter you go IKR , I loved that about the game and one of the reason that after the change I spammed FW until I kept getting TK almost every match . I loved the warbarge but if I remember correctly they got rid of it because people were complaining about not being able to jump right into matches but those who complained didn't understand how that time helped pre-deployment in all the ways like you mentioned ... and some humping didn't hurt anyone either . Doubts are like bothersome flies and should be treated as such and crushed . #PubsShouldBeRandomPlayers
Knightshade Belladonna Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 1384	Posted - 2015.05.04 23:29:00 - [29] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Knightshade Belladonna wrote: Right!! why the hell did they remove it? when I cam back I was sooo disapointed in it being gone. You get a quick flash of it, that's it.. like wtf we used to use that , form squads , get loners in by saying zMORE WP , big boom from the sky splosions.. and it worked. would also have time to realize your opponent, and if you knew them well..you could know what they like to do, and formulate a plan.. yes, even in that 2 min.. but now, nope.. into the slaughter you go IKR , I loved that about the game and one of the reason that after the change I spammed FW until I kept getting TK almost every match . I loved the warbarge but if I remember correctly they got rid of it because people were complaining about not being able to jump right into matches but those who complained didn't understand how that time helped pre-deployment in all the ways like you mentioned ... and some humping didn't hurt anyone either . omg, the barge humping..lmfao , forgot all about that I'm a dude, but i'd get all kinds of fools all up on me and my female character..sometimes they would say some pretty pervy ****..then I hit the mic and they like..backpedal backpedal retreaaaaat!!!
Indianna Pwns TERRA R1SING 96	Posted - 2015.05.04 23:49:00 - [30] - Quote WeapondigitX V7 wrote: Perhaps players should assume the matchmaking is working as intended, and decide not to be demoralized, and fight like a blood thirsty/ WP thirsty merc. Perhaps the stomps would not be so bad if players tried there best, tried to ask around how to win in certain ways on the forums, describe the situation, consider if they are deadly accurate or only have average marksmanship (average is roughly 80% bullets hit target). If its laggy, I don't blame mass leaving. I doubt anyone has 80% accuracy, your talking out of your backside.



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