You're wrong actually. Locus damage is perfect for it being a pro grenade and for the fact that it's A GRENADE. How many times have you seen someone surface a grenade explosion? Not many. This is dust and it's the future. I pretty sure a pro grenade should be able to kill ALL SCOUTS, LOGIS, AND MOSt ASSAULTS with one nade. If anything, the m1 and standard grenade need bugging to 400 and 500

the only balance nades need is visibility and maybe price, that would fix the problem make them more expensive to abuse and more visible so they can be more easily avoided if you are paying attention

Cores were fine. Then Rattati buffed nanohives and they became abusable.

Everyone saw it coming, no one said anything.

I once complained about op pro tanks and I will tell you what one person posted but for the pro nade. The pro nade need more skill point to use. Normally it takes like 350.000 sp to skill to pro weapons. The pro nades take 650.000. It is good just as it is. Not to mention its 14.000 ISk per nade, compared to the 600 for std NADES.

I disagree on some of those points =P

Nades haven't been UP pretty much never.
They should be powerful, no changes required except some sort of tiericide or rather tiertunedown.

The original poster is correct that cooked nades are very very good and able to OHK many suits - according to my experience nades do have headshot ability even though there's no message. How else 720+ HP suit could be OHK'd??


Different topic but I gotta mention as early as possible: REs do not need throw distance nerf, they need activation timer nerf (or rather to make sure the announced 5+ s timer would work as listed on the fall of 2014)

I like normalizing damage and increasing radius with tiers. I also disagree with that we didn't know grenades use would go up, that was the intent, grenades were UP and are currently not a problem. Don't run blindly around a corner. RE's will be getting a throwing distance nerf in the next hotfix as they were meant as traps more than grenades.

The state of hrenades is pathetic and useless.

The cries of no skill are a mating call for those lacking situational awareness.

Ive been killed twice with a core in the last 15 hours of play. They aren't nearly pervasive enough to be a problem, and I find them incredibly easy to dodge away from.

Quite bluntly they should be lethal as hell. The whining that ensues whenever nades can land a kill is nothing short of pathetic. And did it ever occur to you that most suits can throw them back?

OMG IT KILLED ME NERF IT.

Usually your premises for posting are on much more solid foundation. A grenade is a weapon. If the weapon is ineffective at killing it is a useless weapon. If it is a useless weapon it has no place in the loadout.

Grenades are so pathetic in combat that I don't bother putting more than militia grenade BPOs on my suit. Even then it's more habit than intent because they are mostly ineffective.

Thee crying that comes up whenever a weapon is made capable of killing people gets old.

This grwnade has been as is for over a year now. How has it magmagically become an issue just *now*?

This doesn't have to be an open forum discussion, but do you have a concept on how grenades are supposed to be used?

Right now it works like this:
- Standard locus grenades should never be used.
- Advanced locus grenades can be used to stop somebody from going somewhere or forcing people out of cover.
- Prototype locus grenades are as good at killing stuff as your primary weapon. Choose based on range.

I very much dislike that the mechanic changes based on the tier. If you're new to the game you will quickly learn that locus grenades are mostly useless compared to your primary weapon. As you progress grenades become ever more important. Eventually lobbing core grenades at stuff is as important as shooting stuff.

If the design direction is "Locus grenades OHK single enemies" then we can find numbers for that. If the design direction is "Locus grenades deal minor damage to many enemies" we can find number for that. Etc. Etc.

This discussion is unlikely to find a solution as long as everyone projects a different design philosophy into the locus grenades. I have a preference (see last post) but we can make any design work - once we are settled on a certain design.

this implies that it's the only valid way to play, which it isn't.

Saying that a grenade should deal low damage to multiple enemies is ridiculous, it is a high explosive ordinance and does it's job. Make sure ppl run scans and be aware of your situation. If I can hit 6 guys with a weapon that does little damage it is of little use. See post on previous page for more details on my opinion of nades.

I don't understand why people are saying that Core Locus Grenades are being used as primaries. Aside from the fact that only two are carried at a time (dropping a Nanohive means you're confined to one place, which, while this may be useful if you're being closed in on, is not really viable if you're out in the open), I seldom see grenades in the Killfeed, and the last time I was killed by a grenade was at least a week ago. I'd also like to point out that I have NEVER seen a grenade being used as described above, where someone strafes and throws it at your feet, except maybe in a YT video ONCE. I think that grenades should be used to deal high damage over a respectable radius. They SHOULD be able to kill most things that are hiding in corners or enclosed spaces, like Null Cannon pockets.

I've brought this up many times and i'll say it here again. Locus nades just need 2 types...sleek and packed. The core gives you enough of the best of both worlds that it ends up being a little 2 easy to deliver that level of damage.

You need to change locus nades so that at basic, advanced and proto there is a packed variant with low radius but high damage and the sleek version which would have low damage (look at the sleek and scale it) but have a large radius.

And long before you fix this you need to fix RE's.

RE's as a much larger 'copout' than locus do to the MASSIVE dps increase and it takes a comparable amount of time to arm to the grenade's 'cook'

Furthermore you get 2 nades...but up to 4 carried RE's.

No need to read, nerfing nades is simply ridiculous. The act of cooking makes you completely vulnerable, you only carry 2 nades at a time anyway, cooking/tossing takes aLOT more skill than RE's which do significantly more damage across a wider radius and can be detonated at will. Nades are an assault's only equalizer against an HMG that has an effective range of 40m or more with twice as much eHP. Gives assaults a fighting chance against 11m/s scouts and min assault SG's that can 1 shot you. Could go on and on. It is an EXPLOSIVE.

Name one other FPS where nades ARE NOT 1 hitters? At least in Dust you might live.

Um, I don't believe I said sentinels using them, albeit they actually are pretty effective and I DO utilize them when in my cal heavy (of course, I'm scrub heavy). Na, I said ASSAULTS using them.

If you guys keep complaining how else are you going to clear the catwalks of Mass Drivers on the train map

You usually make threads much more elaborated than "It killed me, nerf it" Aeon. You disappoint me..

While someone is cooking its grenade, you can shoot him down. And if you see him cooking it, you can avoid it easily. The damage falloff is huge and cores dont deal anything if they're not in a max 3m radius from their target. Quit whining.

please re-read my op. sigh

Thing I hate most about Core nades is that because I tend to be greedy and speed stack most my suits.... none of them have enough HP to survive a frag....

Totally accept that this is my play style decision, still doesn't change the fact that I hate and fear a good fragger in game....

re's can be re supplied by hives....

can you even read XD omfg you misread both of his post's lawl

Your post is coming off more of a personal problem than one that would do well to serve all who use it. It's a grenade yo... it's suppose to kill and mutilate. It's not a tennis ball

Which means that 50% of the Dust forums agree with him!

Increments of 50 DMG won't justify the expense or resource req'ts of running prototype grenades. If the goal is to normalize progressions, I'd recommend 400/500/600 (from 300/400/600).

In my opinion, HP levels are simply too high to justify a nerf to damage output. When a newbro cooks, tosses and explodes an anti-personnel grenade a foot from your face, it needs to hurt. If it doesn't hurt, it breaks immersion.

If we're tuning blast radii, I agree that Thukker (2.5m) is too tight as is M8 packed locus (3.3m).

I don't like it, and you don't like it, but blobbing up is a tactic. Tossing a grenade into the blob could and should be a counter-tactic. Unfortunately, grenades are too weak to be of tactical benefit against blobs. Making them weaker won't make them more tactical.

In my opinion, this game was at its best in Chromosome when everything was deadly, and everyone died quickly. There were no free passes, so when a newbro got the drop on a vet, he more often than not killed that vet. There was little time to respond once you were outplayed, so you watched your buddies backs and tried not to get outplayed. Today, weapons are gentler and HP pools are deeper, so when you're hit (even in the back) there's lots of time to react.

In my mind, TTK increases do not benefit gameplay; they benefit lazy play. Shouldn't tactics be more proactive rather reactive?

That quote was more of a jab at forum activity, don't take it out of context.

Grenades in battlefield are DEADLY. They WILL kill you. To balance it, they are made so that you can't cook them and throw insta kills all over the place. If you want something like that, they let you use the noob tube. I was fine with this. I also detailed how they were mainly used as utility or room clearer (Removing people from cover or forcing them to back away from that corner they are camping). I LIKE grenades like this.

RE's need a fix. Frisbee does need to stop, and I agree with it. They are easy to detect via scanning and eyes, but pack a significant punch, just like C4 in Battlefield. Remove throwing, and I will consider RE's fixed. Retain throwing for packed RE's, solely for anti-vehicle applications.

Nova Knife argument is dumb. They have high damage due to balance. High Risk, High Reward. While RE's are much easier to use, and pack similar damage, they also aren't reusable like knives, nor as easy to use in the heat of the moment (With previously mentioned changes, you won't be able to throw one down willy nilly).

Not denying that cooking nades take skill to use and implement correctly. I can appreciate a good throw when I see one (Or on the receiving end). However, I do believe that they as a whole are enroaching on the Mass Driver. With so many nanohives available, why use an MD? Cores deal a good 3-4 shots of damage with a single quick throw. If you want the ability to routinely deal with targets around corners, I think that people should use the mass driver to do so, rather than shoehorning the grenade into that tool.

You get my drift Shep?

I'm glad you can get behind these changes.

Now push my agenda with your forum awesomeness.