You need to fix your silly lack of strafing. Any game where you have shields of some kind and require sustained fire to put down there will be strafing.

This is not a problem, this is a great thing. You need to not complain and learn how to play this style of shooter. This is not one of those fail games like CoD where a shot or two puts a person down and a fraction of second lag decides a whole battle.

Strafing is the spirit of EVE. Its all about keeping your transversal velocity high. lol

The current way of fighting gun battles, running and jumping in circles, is juvenile and does not fit with the spirit of Eve. Having every gunfight devolve into strafing and jumping not only feels childish and fake, but very dated. It reminds me of 1990's multiplayer Doom. I don't think CCP's vision of Dust is for it to be an arcade shooter like Doom, Unreal Tournament 3, Tribes, etc. I was under the impression Dust was supposed to be a hardcore, serious, tactical game that mirrors it's sister game Eve Online in depth, seriousness, and difficulty. Having every gun fight devolve into circling and jumping goes against that seriousness that is Eve. Internet spaceships is serious business, as should be internet drop suits.

The fix is quite simple really, a reduction in hip-fire accuracy and reduction in strafing speed when ADS. The penalties would be related to drop suit type.

Scout: 30% Decrease in hip-fire accuracy, 30% Decrease in strafing speed during ADS

Assault: 50% Decrease in hip-fire accuracy, 65% Decrease in strafing speed during ADS

Heavy: 75% Decrease in hip-fire accuracy, 90% Decrease in strafing speed during ADS

Logi: TBD (Never played with a logi suit, need input.)

What about changing jump to climb / go over, more like BF3 and Ghost recon? Or introduce a depletable stamina bar like in Day of Defeat? So people can still jump, sprint dodge etc but opnly for a limited time. Give a longer bar to lighter classess maybe?

No!

Why do you want to ruin the game?

The jumping is great how it is. The stupid jump/climb of CoD and BF3 and other fail games is annoying.

As for the stamina bar, they already have one. The stamina goes down when you sprint, jump, or knife. Jumping takes nearly a third of your stamina and you can not keep it up long.

No!

Why do you want to ruin the game?

The jumping is great how it is. The stupid jump/climb of CoD and BF3 and other fail games is annoying.

As for the stamina bar, they already have one. The stamina goes down when you sprint, jump, or knife. Jumping takes nearly a third of your stamina and you can not keep it up long.

Strafing is the spirit of EVE. Its all about keeping your transversal velocity high. lol

You need to fix your silly lack of strafing. Any game where you have shields of some kind and require sustained fire to put down there will be strafing.

This is not a problem, this is a great thing. You need to not complain and learn how to play this style of shooter. This is not one of those fail games like CoD where a shot or two puts a person down and a fraction of second lag decides a whole battle.

*TEARS* I can adapt!

f those fail games like CoD where a shot or two puts a person down and a fraction of second lag decides a whole battle.

they just want CCP to dumb the gameplay down so they can get kills.

Heavy: 75% Decrease in hip-fire accuracy, 90% Decrease in strafing speed during ADS

Strafing is the spirit of EVE. Its all about keeping your transversal velocity high. lol

Only one person posting in this thread has a higher K/D ratio than me, but he's a try hard. My K/D is over 2 and quickly approaching 3.

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My K:D is 3, is that higher then yours?

You are out of your mind if you want my massive reticule for the HMG to increase by 75%.

No.

These are all awful suggestions.

The current way of fighting gun battles, running and jumping in circles, is juvenile and does not fit with the spirit of Eve. Having every gunfight devolve into strafing and jumping not only feels childish and fake, but very dated. It reminds me of 1990's multiplayer Doom.

But you hadn't posted in the thread when I originally made that comment, so there. Plus you being on my side just goes to prove my point, it's not that we can't play this silly game we just want a smarter, more mature shooter.

they just want CCP to dumb the gameplay down so they can get kills.

Except you could not jump in the original Doom..

Using speed is a viable tactic that needs to remain in the game. If you remove it you completely negate any reason for the scout class as it becomes merely a dps/tank race which the heavy wins every time.

The game is set up like Eve in that a fast ship can out maneuver the tracking of a large slow one, just as a fast scout with lower tank and dps can kill a heavy when they get "under their guns." If this isn't working as intended I don't know what is. In fact, wasn't heavy turn speed nerfed in the last update? Why would that have been done if not to make them vulnerable to strafing tactics? It's their only vulnerability. Deal with it.

And if you play a light armor and still cant handle the strafing, try running backwards, they wont be able to strafe you if you're just as fast. Once again, the same as the Eve solution to trying to deal with a faster ship...

Quit with all the "realism" arguments. There is nothing in this game meant to be life-like. If you can't keep up with the pace of the gameplay, Eve is that way ->

Do you define more mature as requiring less hand-eye coordination, less emphasis on reaction time, and less emphasis on tactics such as close range strafing?

I really hope CCP is good at ignoring posts like this one. They say all the things that set off alarm bells. Talking about not scaring casual gamers and making things easier, and things being childish.

It is sad that people like this get in games and try to ruin them by trying to appeal to casual gamers. Casual gamers are ruining the quality of games. DUST is our hope for hardcore gamers.

Appealing to casual gamers is something you only do if you want the game to have a short life span. If you want the game to last you make it appeal to the far more loyal crowd, the hardcore gamers. Those that will stick with the game and see it grow a reputation as something greater than the rest.

I'm not really sure what side this should fall on... on one hand, I don't really like the whole running in a circle while facing me and shooting and jumping all at once deal...

But on the other hand, I don't really want this to become a SOCOM paced shooter.

I hate to bring MAG back into the discussion again but I felt they had a very good speed of movement for their game. Honestly, I would be totally fine with it if they emulated MAG's movement system and slightly sped it up/ decreased it depending on the suit.

However, having ADS strafing speed be the same as movement in hipfire mode is rather silly. I agree with the OP on that matter with slowing down your speed when aiming down the sights, but hopefully once the next update possibly fixes hit detection issues and lag/framerate problems, the hipfire won't have to be tweaked.

Pay more attention in game. The ADS already limits your movement speed. Where do you get the idea it does not?

It is strange how some of the things you guys suggest are already in the game. They already limit the amount you can jump or sprint with a stamina bar, and they already limit your speed while ADS.

People confuse being able to jump a few times before your stamina depletes with bunny hopping...

Yes it is a fast paced shooter. that is a good thing. Go play Gears of War if you want a slow paced boring game. This type of shooter is the best type of shooter.

Maybe if you are not a strafing player you can get in a vehicle or grab a sniper riffle. Leave CQC for those who fight CQC.

Also, EVE is a spaceship game where ships have a top speed in null grav (instead of real Newtonian physics), always re-orientate to level with "up" & "down", the planets/stations don't actually move, there are non existent metals that supposedly explode in atmosphere (tritanium, really?) except that ships that hold air are made out of them. . .and drugs are made from gas that is found in space instead of coca leaves from Colombia.

I want to be able to sig tank in DUST.

Also waiting for my DUST version of hotdropo'clock.

However, having ADS strafing speed be the same as movement in hipfire mode is rather silly. I agree with the OP on that matter with slowing down your speed when aiming down the sights, but hopefully once the next update possibly fixes hit detection issues and lag/framerate problems, the hipfire won't have to be tweaked.

If strafing were nerfed the entire class structure would have to be rebalanced. Scout is only slightly faster than assault and comes with worse slot layout and less tank. Strafing is their tank.

If it were nerfed, heavy armor value would need a significant nerf. Assault would also probably need a slight buff in shield/armor. Scout would need a new role and stats or just outright be removed.

Or...they could just leave it alone so the game doesn't need to be homogenized to the point where there are no classes or specialization.

But hey, asking too much there because people can't aim. Bads will be bad.

u werent in the 1st wave.
ADS movement speed is not the same as hipfire movement speed
they NERFED that already BEFORE u guys got in.

U move slower side to side when ADSing

besides a scout can strafe fast its not to over powered due to damage but i think its still to fast for movement to make any kind of sense now assualt on the other hand they have to much strength to have strafing like that like seriously as a assault when shields are down just start strafing and jumping over/ past the enemy while shield rebuild works about 7 of 10 time for me, this being a valid "tactic" in this game is not fun not smart and seems rather childish to be honest. And to the scout i had one match where i ran out of ammo for shotgun mid fight and had no secondary weapon in fight against a player i jumped over him numerios times strafed like all hell up close just checking to see how it would go it took him 2 to 3 minutes to kill me for gods sake so yes it does need to be addressed, that cant be lack of skill on his behalf it was a exploit of a overpowered game mechanic that i was testing and will continue to test if that person is watching sorry about that by the way iam just testing to see if this needs to be adressed

It's only "overpowered" if the strafers ability to move and track exceeds your skill level. Childish? You must lose to it for it to make you so mad that you resort to name calling.

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The current way of fighting gun battles, running and jumping in circles, is juvenile and does not fit with the spirit of Eve. Having every gunfight devolve into strafing and jumping not only feels childish and fake, but very dated. It reminds me of 1990's multiplayer Doom. I don't think CCP's vision of Dust is for it to be an arcade shooter like Doom, Unreal Tournament 3, Tribes, etc. I was under the impression Dust was supposed to be a hardcore, serious, tactical game that mirrors it's sister game Eve Online in depth, seriousness, and difficulty. Having every gun fight devolve into circling and jumping goes against that seriousness that is Eve. Internet spaceships is serious business, as should be internet drop suits.

The fix is quite simple really, a reduction in hip-fire accuracy and reduction in strafing speed when ADS. The penalties would be related to drop suit type.

Scout: 30% Decrease in hip-fire accuracy, 30% Decrease in strafing speed during ADS

Assault: 50% Decrease in hip-fire accuracy, 65% Decrease in strafing speed during ADS

Heavy: 75% Decrease in hip-fire accuracy, 90% Decrease in strafing speed during ADS

Logi: TBD (Never played with a logi suit, need input.)

Two new groups of dropsuit mods would need to be added. One mod to increase hip-fire accuracy, one mod to increase strafing speed during ADS.
How it will effect the dropsuits:
Scout: Scouts will still be able to effectively strafe. At a distance they can use ADS and close up hip-fire. If they are going to specialize in strafing, by equipping mods they can be nearly unaffected. Snipers using scout suits won't need the hip-fire accuracy so they will equip different mods. It will create more variation and customization among the scout class. Strafing will still be a valid tactic.
Assault: Strafing will no longer be the go to move for Assault classes. They may be able to equip enough mods where they can effectively strafe but it will be at the cost of other mods. They will have to make a decision how they want to play. Most assaults will not equip these mods and start playing more tactically. They will use cover more, run from cover to cover, and most of all flank enemies.
Heavy: Heavy no longer becomes the ultimate solo suit, it becomes a massive mobile turret that needs support. Heavy were meant to be anti-vehicle, they will still be able to do this well. They will be come less effective at dealing with infantry without support, but with assault suits guarding a heavy's flanks the heavy will still be able to decimate enemy infantry. Heavys will be extremely vulnerable to strafing, but extremely deadly to enemies hiding behind cover. If they have support with them they won't be as susceptible to strafing. Heavys may need either an armor buff or a forward speed buff accordingly.

These changes would NOT get rid of strafing in Dust, but they would prevent 95% of battles from devolving into strafing and jumping. People that want to get up close and be real speedy and fire from the hip will be able to, they will just need to specialize.

I don't really care anymore. The hand full of people who are destroying everyone with scout suits right now could just as easily do it with heavy, or assault, or in a vehicle, or even with the damn knife vs the average player. Strafe speed is being singled out not because it is easy, or cheap, or childish, or unrealistic, but because not everyone is good at it and it makes people painfully aware of how bad they are at tracking or executing a reaction in a split second.

All I'm saying is, this month it's scouts and swarms, next month who knows, heavys and hmg's, or snipers head shotting you in your 35K dropsuit loadout from across the map.

Good players will still dominate mediocre/bad players, and there is little you can do to stop it in a fps game.

Mark my words, if the speed game is nerfed people WILL scramble to find another excuse to explain why they are always losing.

another 0815 fps shooter.

Also waiting for my DUST version of hotdropo'clock.

People in the military who have been shot at, NEVER DO IT.

Also, EVE is a spaceship game where ships have a top speed in null grav (instead of real Newtonian physics), always re-orientate to level with "up" & "down", the planets/stations don't actually move, there are non existent metals that supposedly explode in atmosphere (tritanium, really?) except that ships that hold air are made out of them. . .and drugs are made from gas that is found in space instead of coca leaves from Colombia.

I want to be able to sig tank in DUST.

Also waiting for my DUST version of hotdropo'clock.

I can tell you right now why jump/strafe is stupid.

People in the military who have been shot at, NEVER DO IT.

So a game that is supposed to be a combat sim FPS kind of game should try to minimize it.

I know from experience that shooting while running orthogonal to your target (strafing) is very very hard to do.

IN real life you either A: go slower or B: hit a lot less often.

So I recommend that CCP implement some kind of hit to accuracy and speed while strafing. You should be able to recoup the accuracy by kneeling, and recoup the speed by sprinting. Firing from the hip while strafing should be barely effective, and aiming in should slow you down and get back some of the accuracy.

I like the OPs ideas. they make sense.

eh.. you're not running; you're just walking fast, and you can shoot just fine while doing that. I can shoot at a full sprint and dance my way over and around obstacles at the same time if I want, and I can do it with a bow rather than a gun too, and still hit my target.

I can't bunny hop while turning in a circle firing a gun bouncing sideways spinning dizzy spins of bunny madness however.

edit, I like your idea of recouping accuracy though. There is a loss to accuracy expected while you are doing any movement while shooting short of a slow, steady walk. Not 75% as suggested in the OP, but a fractional loss that increases with inexperience and increased movement.

Any movement on top of regular movement, (such as bunny hopping or jump-spinning), will increase this loss marginally to drastically, but a lot of that is also personal sense of equilibrium, such as when you are jump-spinning, which will knock out almost all of most anyone's sense of equilibrium.

The need to balance through, is also a key factor, and any movement requires balance. In many cases, the requirement to use arm position and counter rotation to stop spin through 'arm-waving,' (for lack of a better term), preclude the ability to use a gun or aim with it except maybe to fire a short burst of spray and pray at opportune moments when coordination of movements allows it.

FPS mechanics don't really allow for those real requirements of physical inertia dampening, balance, or anything really. You'll notice that while the characters are airborne, (spinning or otherwise), they are still in a standing or crouched firing position or even walking as if on a solid surface in some cases.

Key method to enjoying FPS games is not to notice any of this stuff most of the time or to simply suspend disbelief long enough to enjoy the game.

Yeah, no.

Lots of games use strafing. Humans have the ability to move in all sorts of directions using these things called legs. They also use them to jump, run, walk, do these things backwards, etc etc. If there isn't a shooter that doesn't allow you to strafe, chances are no one plays it and its not very good. Every FPS I've played uses strafe. It's a function that is here to stay.

If i want to play in a straight line and feel like i'm moving a truck, i just go play BF3.....
And decreasing hip fire accuracy while straffing ? Do you want a game where you just stand still shooting at people ? Oo