What the crap ccp? Rly c'mon man nothing should be that unbeatable now it takes 10 people to kill these glitched out standard tanks. I admit they were flimsy wen it came to anti vehicle infantry weapons but you didn't have to make them god mode! There was one standard madrigar withstanding 2 kubos cannons and a wykomi swarm and i lost 5 kubos in one match gunning for that one tank and he killed all 3 of us the tank was standard. How on earth could he withstand 3 of the best antivehicle weapons that you could get. He was not taking any damage whatsoever. Fix it!

Depend whether or not you were three competent anti-vehicle players. The wider community and I should hope CCP Rattati are aware of the imbalances Passive Armour Repair Modules with the prolific repair per second rates of Active Modules are creating.

I genuinely struggle to understand how with the three aforementioned weapons you failed to critically wound or destroy the HAV outright however this result may have been the produce of multiple influences including your AV tactics, the tankers knowledge of AV weapon and how to counter them, tankers aim, and or additional infantrymen present.

10 people huh? That doesn't sound like a hyperbole at all.

The tank was rarely moving and mostly sitting in one spot all the other redberries were focused on other things my Av is competent against ground vehicles though I have trouble hitting dropships with a plasma cannon and his gunning was indeed impeccable I died five times the other kubos guy does twice and my corp leader astroghini had the swarms and only died once

Well maybe he had a army of logis repping his tank from behind. That would explain why he probs didnt moved. Reptools heal vehicles for much more HP then dropsuits. So if the tank had 1 minlogi with a lai dai flux sitting behind him it would be the same as having another heavy repper. A lai dai flux reptool with minlogi 5 reps at 131HP/s.

So i just assume that the tank in question was probs your regular tank fit with double hardener, plate and a rep. If the repper is a large complex the tank reps at 167HP/s. Now we add 2 minlogis to it (the 2 gunners) who jump out of the tank and run behind it for cover. Each minlogi reps at 131HP/s so two would mean 262HP/s.

So we know the numbers lets add them together:
repper on tank: 167HP/s
reps from minlogis: 262HP/s

total reps per second: 429HP/s

If he had the setup above he had probs somewhere around 4100HP armor. With a rep power like that it would only take 9,5 secs to go from allmost destroyed to full armor. If hes flipping on both hardeners he has somewhere around of a 70% damage resistance. The fact that you where using a plasma cannon is aswell bad cause they deal -10% damage vs armor. Plasma cannon proficency aswell does not apply vs armor tanked vehicles. Overall it looks grim your PLC's probs only did somewhere around 20% of their original damage. And if he had indeed 2 minlogis then they could easily outrep both PLC's and your tank shoting it.

Long story short:
2 minlogis repping a maddy>1 tank and 2 aver's. Or how i would call it you encountered a battlefield tactic beeing practiced on dust.

Most likely a dual rep dual harder fit. If he had both hardeners running he could probably handle that much alpha but from the sounds of it if he was just sitting there for a prolonged period of time so he was probably cycling them. Did you happen to check your efficiency rating against him while firing? Happen to remember HP values?

And get you some AV grenades .

Edit: Okay, I made it all the way though the thread, versus reading just the original post of QQ.

While the rhetoric was cute it didn't help your case at all. Details are needed. What was the armor/shield combination for the Maddy-1. Note that -1 is standard /1 is ADV and v.0 is PRO. If the armor was 2700 when maxed the repair units and/or hardener combination was your stumbling block. Depending on what was included for small turrets and whether the tanker was using an IOC or NB (something else you neglected to share) the amount of CPU/PG can vary dramatically.

Scanners: Yes or No?
Damage mods, even heat sinks show as a damage modifier (I think so anyway).

Without more information it is difficult to solve your situation. No hardeners might mean triple repairs at complex level with a PROTO tank DRIVER. Possibly four repairs, Base or Complex. Enhanced armor repair units are an insult. Nobody should waste any ISK on them.

The other thing to remember is he (generic he, you gave us no name) had your number. You lost how many fits and he mowed you down. Which means you came here an rage posted. Which means, he really, really had your number. Each death means he has 10 seconds to recover his armor. He only needs 9. If the team cannot coordinate your volleys, you might as well be playing solo. And considering how he shot you down, controlled the battle you should have thought like a tanker. Go do something else when you are outmatched.

A tanker that thinks like you did, well he loses tanks.

My original knee jerk reaction:
Sorry, from my experience they aren't.

However, compared to the paper tanks laughingly called shield tanks they are considerably easier to fit for survivability. Shield vehicles suck. That is the reason most run armor.

Armor tanks can double hardeners and repair modules. The higher the level of tank, the higher BOTH can go. Proto allows dual Complex Hardeners and dual Complex Heavy Armor Repair. A driver that is aware of their surroundings, how many are chasing after them (with murder in their hearts), and is familiar with the layout of the map in the specific battle mode and with the particular sockets the map came with - they can survive quite a bit.

However, if you get stuck on a box, a ladder, a ramp, a cliff edge or one of a hundred problem areas that a real tank would drive right over and your very expensive tank is just another smoking ruin.

Now, if you come after in my armor tank Maddy ADV/PRO and you are alone with MLT to STD gear, well have a good time making +75WP for damaging me but unless I make a mistake you will not kill me. Your buddy running up behind me with those stinking Lai Dai Packed AV grenades - he will.

Which is why I try not to sit still for all that long.

Yes I did rage but I do have a valid point he indeed was a std tank he was sitting there taking full volleys of everything I listed earlier but armor tanks still shouldn't be that invincible he took a total of 19 swarms and 31 kubos shots before he mowed me down and I kept pulling those suits since I had alot of them and just wanted to get rid of that one tank because no one else bothered but my squad mates and to put Astroghini is one of the best tankers in dust and an organized leader we timed each volley as was ordered if anything I couldn't even get damage on it. I'm not a tanker I find it boring I leave that to Astro I've seen him take down proto armor tanks with sicas.

The tank was rarely moving and mostly sitting in one spot all the other redberries were focused on other things my Av is competant against ground vehicles though I have trouble hitting dropships with a plasma cannon and his gunning was indeed impeccible I died five times the other kubos guy does twice and my corp leader astroghini had the swarms and only died once

As much as I agree that the current madrugers are broken with their rep/hardener combo, the reality is it only takes two AV players about 10 seconds of firing to take one down.

OP's posts are either a troll or a really bad attempt to make AV players sound as unreasonable as the tankers defending the current madrugers and trying to pretend tanks should be invincible.

Thank you for the honest assessment.

I find it interesting he was so stationary during the combat. Certainly for the sake of gunnery I might understand but in my experience 1x Hardener and 2x Repairs does not cover the amount of Alpha damage you guys were likely to have been dishing out.

I wonder what fit was being used.