DUST Search - There is a problem I think its time we talked about.

Soldner VonKuechle wrote:

Himiko Kuronaga wrote:

Soldner VonKuechle wrote:

Himiko Kuronaga wrote:

Soldner VonKuechle wrote:

On topic.

Is this a general game animation coding issue or net coding?
Im very bad at actual code so im trying to understand where the problem is coming from

Netcode, I believe.

It appears as though the game tries to represent movement prediction by showing movement in certain directions and at certain speeds in timed intervals. When it predicts incorrectly, by the next interval the player in question "teleports" in the actual direction he moved, which can be quite a distance away from a persons crosshair.

Can tweaking packet size and/or send-receive rates affect this in theory?

Couldn't say for sure what results in the best outcome. I have a decent understanding of the theory behind FPS netcode, but I'm far from an expert. Increasing the refresh rate can result in more accurate movement portrayal, but there there is a cost. Where that cost hits hardest, only CCP knows.

Could there be a relation between our teleport issues and TQs calculator sequence/per second we all lovingly refer to as 'ticks'?

I know im asking alot of questions but you seem to know what youre talking about and knowledge is my own personal jesus/crack.

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Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5804	Posted - 2015.04.29 21:39:00 - [1] - Quote When you watch another player move in Dust, it isn't really movement as much as it is teleporting one meter at a time. When trying to hit a target at range this is made even more apparent, as "correct" sharp shooting involves fluid movement prediction. Ask a sniper what kind of targets they hit the most and it will usually be someone who is either standing completely still, or running in a very long straight line. Miss a lethal shot, and the target will become aware and start changing directions rapidly which results in micro teleportation. Something nearly impossible to predict, and the kill becomes more about blind luck than skill. In the past, towards the early Uprising patches this problem with movement affected vehicles heavily. They would stutter and teleport about as if you were watching an old claymation film. This problem is currently affecting infantry hard, however. And the better the game performs in terms in terms of frame rate, the more apparent the micro teleportation becomes. No longer can jagged movement be blamed on simply a poor frame rate. I think it's time we addressed this problem and got it some serious attention. Usually banned for being too awesome.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 2010	Posted - 2015.04.29 21:40:00 - [2] - Quote Totally agree . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed . #PubsShouldBeRandomPlayers
Raptor Princess ALLOTEC INC 226	Posted - 2015.04.29 21:45:00 - [3] - Quote It still affects tanks in a big way, makes forge gunning a challenge and a half!
7th Son 7 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 835	Posted - 2015.04.29 21:47:00 - [4] - Quote PS4 Only your complete and total awareness is needed, nothing else will do. ------------- OSHO
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5804	Posted - 2015.04.29 22:10:00 - [5] - Quote 7th Son 7 wrote: PS4 While I support the notion of PS4 it actually wouldn't do anything to this problem at all. This is a problem with code, not performance. Usually banned for being too awesome.
DozersMouse XIII Nos Nothi 1053	Posted - 2015.04.29 22:21:00 - [6] - Quote +10 Shotgun me once, shame on me Shotgun me twice, scans on you
7th Son 7 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 836	Posted - 2015.04.29 22:21:00 - [7] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: 7th Son 7 wrote: PS4 While I support the notion of PS4 it actually wouldn't do anything to this problem at all. This is a problem with code, not performance. Correct but it appears as tho they can't get the code right on the ps3 so i'm going to pitch the ps4 Only your complete and total awareness is needed, nothing else will do. ------------- OSHO
Jonny D Buelle Mors Effera 1151	Posted - 2015.04.29 22:23:00 - [8] - Quote 7th Son 7 wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: 7th Son 7 wrote: PS4 While I support the notion of PS4 it actually wouldn't do anything to this problem at all. This is a problem with code, not performance. Correct but it appears as tho they can't get the code right on the ps3 so i'm going to pitch the ps4 Again I'm going to pitch the Xbox One. I find your lack of heaviness... disturbing...
7th Son 7 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 836	Posted - 2015.04.29 22:24:00 - [9] - Quote Jonny D Buelle wrote: 7th Son 7 wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: 7th Son 7 wrote: PS4 While I support the notion of PS4 it actually wouldn't do anything to this problem at all. This is a problem with code, not performance. Correct but it appears as tho they can't get the code right on the ps3 so i'm going to pitch the ps4 Again I'm going to pitch the Xbox One. Blasphemous lol Only your complete and total awareness is needed, nothing else will do. ------------- OSHO
Sequal's Back Dead Man's Game RUST415 569	Posted - 2015.04.29 22:25:00 - [10] - Quote 7th Son 7 wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: 7th Son 7 wrote: PS4 While I support the notion of PS4 it actually wouldn't do anything to this problem at all. This is a problem with code, not performance. Correct but it appears as tho they can't get the code right on the ps3 so i'm going to pitch the ps4 PC Fix the game before trying to add anything else. (Hint: hit detection, lags, glitches,.. you've got some work :) )

Reign Omega T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 1462	Posted - 2015.04.29 22:28:00 - [11] - Quote Jonny D Buelle wrote: 7th Son 7 wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: 7th Son 7 wrote: PS4 While I support the notion of PS4 it actually wouldn't do anything to this problem at all. This is a problem with code, not performance. Correct but it appears as tho they can't get the code right on the ps3 so i'm going to pitch the ps4 Again I'm going to pitch the Xbox One. Pitch the console with lower native resolution and fps....that'll fix everything! Mark a$$ tricks, and bags of dicks....
Jonny D Buelle Mors Effera 1153	Posted - 2015.04.29 22:34:00 - [12] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: Jonny D Buelle wrote: 7th Son 7 wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: 7th Son 7 wrote: PS4 While I support the notion of PS4 it actually wouldn't do anything to this problem at all. This is a problem with code, not performance. Correct but it appears as tho they can't get the code right on the ps3 so i'm going to pitch the ps4 Again I'm going to pitch the Xbox One. Pitch the console with lower native resolution and fps....that'll fix everything! Pitching the Console that is $200 cheaper where I live and has better exclusives and a controller that feels natural in my hand and doesn't aggravate my carpal tunnel I find your lack of heaviness... disturbing...
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 23641	Posted - 2015.04.29 22:37:00 - [13] - Quote The XBone is the least likely platform by far. Supreme Forum Warrior Gallente Guide
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 607	Posted - 2015.04.29 22:38:00 - [14] - Quote Jonny D Buelle wrote: 7th Son 7 wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: 7th Son 7 wrote: PS4 While I support the notion of PS4 it actually wouldn't do anything to this problem at all. This is a problem with code, not performance. Correct but it appears as tho they can't get the code right on the ps3 so i'm going to pitch the ps4 Again I'm going to pitch the Xbox One. Lol dude you should do standup Saying what's on people's minds
7th Son 7 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 836	Posted - 2015.04.29 22:38:00 - [15] - Quote OR........ the consule that's out sold the other almost 2-1, but yeah either way Only your complete and total awareness is needed, nothing else will do. ------------- OSHO
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5810	Posted - 2015.04.29 23:02:00 - [16] - Quote .... right, well I'd like to TRY to keep this on topic guys... Usually banned for being too awesome.
Reign Omega T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 1465	Posted - 2015.04.29 23:38:00 - [17] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: .... right, well I'd like to TRY to keep this on topic guys... tacos or riot. Mark a$$ tricks, and bags of dicks....
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 2219	Posted - 2015.04.29 23:43:00 - [18] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: .... right, well I'd like to TRY to keep this on topic guys... tacos or riot. Riot tacos? Here I was thinking you drove tanks, but clearly thats just your ego that you ride around in. -DUST fiend to Dark Cloud
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 2219	Posted - 2015.04.29 23:47:00 - [19] - Quote On topic. Is this a general game animation coding issue or net coding? Im very bad at actual code so im trying to understand where the problem is coming from Here I was thinking you drove tanks, but clearly thats just your ego that you ride around in. -DUST fiend to Dark Cloud
VAHZZ Arrary of Clusters 1644	Posted - 2015.04.29 23:49:00 - [20] - Quote The prophecy is coming true. I told all you nubs. im not a Minja, I'm a pirate.

Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5812	Posted - 2015.04.29 23:50:00 - [21] - Quote Soldner VonKuechle wrote: On topic. Is this a general game animation coding issue or net coding? Im very bad at actual code so im trying to understand where the problem is coming from Netcode, I believe. It appears as though the game tries to represent movement prediction by showing movement in certain directions and at certain speeds in timed intervals. When it predicts incorrectly, by the next interval the player in question "teleports" in the actual direction he moved, which can be quite a distance away from a persons crosshair. Usually banned for being too awesome.
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 2219	Posted - 2015.04.29 23:54:00 - [22] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Soldner VonKuechle wrote: On topic. Is this a general game animation coding issue or net coding? Im very bad at actual code so im trying to understand where the problem is coming from Netcode, I believe. It appears as though the game tries to represent movement prediction by showing movement in certain directions and at certain speeds in timed intervals. When it predicts incorrectly, by the next interval the player in question "teleports" in the actual direction he moved, which can be quite a distance away from a persons crosshair. Can tweaking packet size and/or send-receive rates affect this in theory? Here I was thinking you drove tanks, but clearly thats just your ego that you ride around in. -DUST fiend to Dark Cloud
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5814	Posted - 2015.04.29 23:59:00 - [23] - Quote Soldner VonKuechle wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Soldner VonKuechle wrote: On topic. Is this a general game animation coding issue or net coding? Im very bad at actual code so im trying to understand where the problem is coming from Netcode, I believe. It appears as though the game tries to represent movement prediction by showing movement in certain directions and at certain speeds in timed intervals. When it predicts incorrectly, by the next interval the player in question "teleports" in the actual direction he moved, which can be quite a distance away from a persons crosshair. Can tweaking packet size and/or send-receive rates affect this in theory? Couldn't say for sure what results in the best outcome. I have a decent understanding of the theory behind FPS netcode, but I'm far from an expert. Increasing the refresh rate can result in more accurate movement portrayal, but there there is a cost. Where that cost hits hardest, only CCP knows. Usually banned for being too awesome.
The Eristic Dust 90210 933	Posted - 2015.04.30 00:03:00 - [24] - Quote This is extremely obvious when attempting to track with the Laser Rifle. Reality is the original Rorschach. Verily! So much for all that.
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 2219	Posted - 2015.04.30 00:10:00 - [25] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Soldner VonKuechle wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Soldner VonKuechle wrote: On topic. Is this a general game animation coding issue or net coding? Im very bad at actual code so im trying to understand where the problem is coming from Netcode, I believe. It appears as though the game tries to represent movement prediction by showing movement in certain directions and at certain speeds in timed intervals. When it predicts incorrectly, by the next interval the player in question "teleports" in the actual direction he moved, which can be quite a distance away from a persons crosshair. Can tweaking packet size and/or send-receive rates affect this in theory? Couldn't say for sure what results in the best outcome. I have a decent understanding of the theory behind FPS netcode, but I'm far from an expert. Increasing the refresh rate can result in more accurate movement portrayal, but there there is a cost. Where that cost hits hardest, only CCP knows. Could there be a relation between our teleport issues and TQs calculator sequence/per second we all lovingly refer to as 'ticks'? I know im asking alot of questions but you seem to know what youre talking about and knowledge is my own personal jesus/crack. Here I was thinking you drove tanks, but clearly thats just your ego that you ride around in. -DUST fiend to Dark Cloud
Kierkegaard Soren Eridani Light Horse Battalion 792	Posted - 2015.04.30 00:13:00 - [26] - Quote Completely agree with OP. I find that once I close in on someone and they've noticed me, the wiggle-waggle begins and they just zip from one side of my screen to the next, making the task of actually killing them a truly frustrating experience. Gun game has nothing to do with it at this point; it's either splash damage, low rof hitters like breach AR to make hose shots that do land count or just sheer dumb luck. I've tried this without actually shooting back, just so I can concentrate on how my opponent moves, and they literally teleport about the place like a magical crab. It's crackers. Dedicated Commando. "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing."
abdullah muzaffar Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 565	Posted - 2015.04.30 00:14:00 - [27] - Quote Its called tickrate, and has to do with the games netcode. IJR took my soul. RIP 20/3/15 5:14
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5815	Posted - 2015.04.30 00:14:00 - [28] - Quote Soldner VonKuechle wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Soldner VonKuechle wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Soldner VonKuechle wrote: On topic. Is this a general game animation coding issue or net coding? Im very bad at actual code so im trying to understand where the problem is coming from Netcode, I believe. It appears as though the game tries to represent movement prediction by showing movement in certain directions and at certain speeds in timed intervals. When it predicts incorrectly, by the next interval the player in question "teleports" in the actual direction he moved, which can be quite a distance away from a persons crosshair. Can tweaking packet size and/or send-receive rates affect this in theory? Couldn't say for sure what results in the best outcome. I have a decent understanding of the theory behind FPS netcode, but I'm far from an expert. Increasing the refresh rate can result in more accurate movement portrayal, but there there is a cost. Where that cost hits hardest, only CCP knows. Could there be a relation between our teleport issues and TQs calculator sequence/per second we all lovingly refer to as 'ticks'? I know im asking alot of questions but you seem to know what youre talking about and knowledge is my own personal jesus/crack. The tick indeed functions in a similar manner. Dust simply happens to tick faster, and it seems as though the "tick rate" may be based on immediate proximity. Usually banned for being too awesome.
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4640	Posted - 2015.04.30 00:55:00 - [29] - Quote Jonny D Buelle wrote: 7th Son 7 wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: 7th Son 7 wrote: PS4 While I support the notion of PS4 it actually wouldn't do anything to this problem at all. This is a problem with code, not performance. Correct but it appears as tho they can't get the code right on the ps3 so i'm going to pitch the ps4 Again I'm going to pitch the Xbox One. Will never happen until MS changes their server policy. CPM 1 mail me your feedback and remember to have fun!
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 1480	Posted - 2015.04.30 01:50:00 - [30] - Quote Not true for 95% of my matches. Every now and then there is a laggy match. Then the teleportation happens. The closer they are the less it is likely. Check you internet connection, wired is better than wireless. Check router rules, firmware version and don't play when roommates are all watching three different Netflix binges. In case your PS3 is running hot and loud, don't forget to clean the air inlet/exhaust on the PS3. In particular if it is on the floor and pets are in house. Not fish though, if you have fish scales blocking the inlet or exhaust you have bigger problems. And you should get out more. My favorite tank is a Lightning. Just sayin.



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