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Tebu Gan Capital Acquisitions LLC 1389	Posted - 2015.04.28 19:48:00 - [1] - Quote Quote: Spawning and End of Match * Planetary Conquest End of Match rewards will be changed to a new rule, Team A recovers Team B's losses, split equally among team A's members, and vice versa. Biomass will no longer be awarded as a reward for winning, successfully defending or claiming a District is reward enough. Emphasis on the last bit. Is that how people have generally felt about PC battles? Personally, I never felt that simply defending or claiming a district was reward enough. When you have successfully claimed or defended as many districts as I have, the reward is in what you get out of it, isk or something to make isk. Yeah I know, changes are comin. Just read things like this and get kinda butthurt over it. Psh reward enough my butt. And while I'm on subject, our one PC battle since these changes came was supposed to be a flip. Won the first battle, went to play the reup and boom, battle magically disappeared. That was a lot of clones we lost there. Tanks - Balancing Turrets
thor424 Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 46	Posted - 2015.04.28 19:52:00 - [2] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: Quote: Spawning and End of Match * Planetary Conquest End of Match rewards will be changed to a new rule, Team A recovers Team B's losses, split equally among team A's members, and vice versa. Biomass will no longer be awarded as a reward for winning, successfully defending or claiming a District is reward enough. Emphasis on the last bit. Is that how people have generally felt about PC battles? Personally, I never felt that simply defending or claiming a district was reward enough. When you have successfully claimed or defended as many districts as I have, the reward is in what you get out of it, isk or something to make isk. Yeah I know, changes are comin. Just read things like this and get kinda butthurt over it. Psh reward enough my butt. And while I'm on subject, our one PC battle since these changes came was supposed to be a flip. Won the first battle, went to play the reup and boom, battle magically disappeared. That was a lot of clones we lost there. It should have just said, only thing we could think of to stop farming until PC 2.0 comes out. Thor's Emporium
Balistyc Farshot OUTCAST MERCS General Tso's Alliance 152	Posted - 2015.04.28 19:57:00 - [3] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: Quote: Spawning and End of Match * Planetary Conquest End of Match rewards will be changed to a new rule, Team A recovers Team B's losses, split equally among team A's members, and vice versa. Biomass will no longer be awarded as a reward for winning, successfully defending or claiming a District is reward enough. Emphasis on the last bit. Is that how people have generally felt about PC battles? Personally, I never felt that simply defending or claiming a district was reward enough. When you have successfully claimed or defended as many districts as I have, the reward is in what you get out of it, isk or something to make isk. Yeah I know, changes are comin. Just read things like this and get kinda butthurt over it. Psh reward enough my butt. And while I'm on subject, our one PC battle since these changes came was supposed to be a flip. Won the first battle, went to play the reup and boom, battle magically disappeared. That was a lot of clones we lost there. Cap Ac complaining about district ownership not being lucrative and losing clones? Wait one second, let me get the world's tiniest violin warmed up for your tear filled speech. There won't be a dry eye in the house. Will you plead with Devs to hear why your corp needs those districts? You must be low on ISK. I know. you need to feed your children Lebron! From Logi, to Heavy, to Scout, now I am moving to ADS. Please stop balancing!
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 23592	Posted - 2015.04.28 20:01:00 - [4] - Quote Heh, there's just going to be a bunch of tears from people who haven't got a clue about PC violently disagreeing in this thread. It's pointless, yeah, but PC has been poorly done for a long time. I suppose they wanted to fully kill it before a revamp, though. If that revamp ever comes. Supreme Forum Warrior Gallente Guide
Tebu Gan Capital Acquisitions LLC 1390	Posted - 2015.04.28 20:37:00 - [5] - Quote Balistyc Farshot wrote: Cap Ac complaining about district ownership not being lucrative and losing clones? Wait one second, let me get the world's tiniest violin warmed up for your tear filled speech. There won't be a dry eye in the house. Will you plead with Devs to hear why your corp needs those districts? You must be low on ISK. I know. you need to feed your children Lebron! Actually, I'm an individual. I'm not this "Cap Acq" as you speak. That flip I spoke of is a bug that has happened to several corps in PC. Just something I want to see fixed, you know so people can actually flip a district to begin with. And you sound jealous maybe. I'm just pointing something out here. For those that have ever actually been involved with PC, simply flipping and defending isn't enough. When CCP makes a comment like this, it really shows how out of touch they are with this particular game mode. Tanks - Balancing Turrets
Balistyc Farshot OUTCAST MERCS General Tso's Alliance 152	Posted - 2015.04.28 21:01:00 - [6] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Heh, there's just going to be a bunch of tears from people who haven't got a clue about PC violently disagreeing in this thread. It's pointless, yeah, but PC has been poorly done for a long time. I suppose they wanted to fully kill it before a revamp, though. If that revamp ever comes. I have been a PC vet for a while. I have been in Dust since open beta started. I just am not a forum warrior. What I am saying is that with PC being in the current state and some corps having more districts than ever (Go check the star map). Plus all the other PC issues that have finally come out. There is a thread on this and skype discussions. Why is a super rich corp, with piles of districts, capitalized on the district isk generation, complaining about a mechanic that cost them clones. If a small corp with one district said this, I would feel bad and I would hope Frame would log a ticket. From Logi, to Heavy, to Scout, now I am moving to ADS. Please stop balancing!
Archduke Ferd1nand Nos Nothi 386	Posted - 2015.04.28 21:10:00 - [7] - Quote Balistyc Farshot wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Heh, there's just going to be a bunch of tears from people who haven't got a clue about PC violently disagreeing in this thread. It's pointless, yeah, but PC has been poorly done for a long time. I suppose they wanted to fully kill it before a revamp, though. If that revamp ever comes. I have been a PC vet for a while. I have been in Dust since open beta started. I just am not a forum warrior. What I am saying is that with PC being in the current state and some corps having more districts than ever (Go check the star map). Plus all the other PC issues that have finally come out. There is a thread on this and skype discussions. Why is a super rich corp, with piles of districts, capitalized on the district isk generation, complaining about a mechanic that cost them clones. If a small corp with one district said this, I would feel bad and I would hope Frame would log a ticket. If you were a PC vet, I would know who you were. You're also in LOLTso's (No offense to Hawkin), so Im thinking that this is some epeen waving trying to make us believe 1 inch is a foot. BRB, looking for socks PSN: tommygunboy2080 I shit shotgun shells and piss Remote Explosives
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 23602	Posted - 2015.04.28 21:28:00 - [8] - Quote Balistyc Farshot wrote: Why is a super rich corp, with piles of districts, capitalized on the district isk generation, complaining about a mechanic that cost them clones. If a small corp with one district said this, I would feel bad and I would hope Frame would log a ticket. ISK generation has not been serious in years. Supreme Forum Warrior Gallente Guide
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 2212	Posted - 2015.04.28 22:01:00 - [9] - Quote Archduke Ferd1nand wrote: Balistyc Farshot wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Heh, there's just going to be a bunch of tears from people who haven't got a clue about PC violently disagreeing in this thread. It's pointless, yeah, but PC has been poorly done for a long time. I suppose they wanted to fully kill it before a revamp, though. If that revamp ever comes. I have been a PC vet for a while. I have been in Dust since open beta started. I just am not a forum warrior. What I am saying is that with PC being in the current state and some corps having more districts than ever (Go check the star map). Plus all the other PC issues that have finally come out. There is a thread on this and skype discussions. Why is a super rich corp, with piles of districts, capitalized on the district isk generation, complaining about a mechanic that cost them clones. If a small corp with one district said this, I would feel bad and I would hope Frame would log a ticket. If you were a PC vet, I would know who you were. You're also in LOLTso's (No offense to Hawkin), so Im thinking that this is some epeen waving trying to make us believe 1 inch is a foot. What an intelligent and insightful addition to the conversation. I thank you for surther broadening my understanding of how much a worthless endeavor PC will continue to be with the mentality you continue to display. Here I was thinking you drove tanks, but clearly thats just your ego that you ride around in. -DUST fiend to Dark Cloud
Balistyc Farshot OUTCAST MERCS General Tso's Alliance 155	Posted - 2015.04.29 14:32:00 - [10] - Quote Soldner VonKuechle wrote: Archduke Ferd1nand wrote: Balistyc Farshot wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Heh, there's just going to be a bunch of tears from people who haven't got a clue about PC violently disagreeing in this thread. It's pointless, yeah, but PC has been poorly done for a long time. I suppose they wanted to fully kill it before a revamp, though. If that revamp ever comes. I have been a PC vet for a while. I have been in Dust since open beta started. I just am not a forum warrior. What I am saying is that with PC being in the current state and some corps having more districts than ever (Go check the star map). Plus all the other PC issues that have finally come out. There is a thread on this and skype discussions. Why is a super rich corp, with piles of districts, capitalized on the district isk generation, complaining about a mechanic that cost them clones. If a small corp with one district said this, I would feel bad and I would hope Frame would log a ticket. If you were a PC vet, I would know who you were. You're also in LOLTso's (No offense to Hawkin), so Im thinking that this is some epeen waving trying to make us believe 1 inch is a foot. What an intelligent and insightful addition to the conversation. I thank you for surther broadening my understanding of how much a worthless endeavor PC will continue to be with the mentality you continue to display. I just joined this corp and alliance, I apologize for my opinion involving them. Love how you go after them first instead of addressing the comment, shows character. I am speaking as one of the many people who can read a star map. Don't be surprised when PC 2.0 doesn't go your way. I will be sure to stay away from the forums that day. The tears will drowned us all because CCP wants more people in PCs not an elite few. That is why CCP needed to devalue districts before they reshuffle that deck. The shuffling day scares even them for the backlash. From Logi, to Heavy, to Scout, now I am moving to ADS. Please stop balancing!

DIX RFOR CHICKS myrtle beach leap frogz 342	Posted - 2015.04.29 14:40:00 - [11] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: Quote: Spawning and End of Match * Planetary Conquest End of Match rewards will be changed to a new rule, Team A recovers Team B's losses, split equally among team A's members, and vice versa. Biomass will no longer be awarded as a reward for winning, successfully defending or claiming a District is reward enough. Emphasis on the last bit. Is that how people have generally felt about PC battles? Personally, I never felt that simply defending or claiming a district was reward enough. When you have successfully claimed or defended as many districts as I have, the reward is in what you get out of it, isk or something to make isk. Yeah I know, changes are comin. Just read things like this and get kinda butthurt over it. Psh reward enough my butt. And while I'm on subject, our one PC battle since these changes came was supposed to be a flip. Won the first battle, went to play the reup and boom, battle magically disappeared. That was a lot of clones we lost there. With this last patch or update came the claims of improved performance. Anyone that has PC'd in the last day knows there has been NO improvement to performance. The lag and FPS are still horseshit. Text keyboard takes forever to come up, cant add or join squads while on the barge. They keep eff'ing up a effed up turd.

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 21510	Posted - 2015.04.29 14:47:00 - [12] - Quote We are actively working with the majority of PC CEOs and/or directors. Talk to your CEO if you think your voice needs to be heard. A thread like this is practically useless, no offense OP. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Tebu Gan Capital Acquisitions LLC 1394	Posted - 2015.04.29 14:53:00 - [13] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: We are actively working with the majority of PC CEOs and/or directors. Talk to your CEO if you think your voice needs to be heard. A thread like this is practically useless, no offense OP. Lol, it was more about what was said in notes, "taking and defending districts should be enough". I know changes are coming and am patiently waiting, but just wanted to get out that alone doesn't feel like enough. Honestly I was going to let this thread die until you chimed in right as I was looking at it! Plenty of useless thread around though. Just wanted to see if anyone else felt like capturing and defending is enough. It's clear though that my corp tag insights a bit of rage. Tanks - Balancing Turrets
Luther Mandrix WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL 532	Posted - 2015.04.29 15:11:00 - [14] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: We are actively working with the majority of PC CEOs and/or directors. Talk to your CEO if you think your voice needs to be heard. A thread like this is practically useless, no offense OP. Whammy
Demandred Moores Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 45	Posted - 2015.04.29 18:06:00 - [15] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: We are actively working with the majority of PC CEOs and/or directors. Talk to your CEO if you think your voice needs to be heard. A thread like this is practically useless, no offense OP. Lol, it was more about what was said in notes, "taking and defending districts should be enough". I know changes are coming and am patiently waiting, but just wanted to get out that alone doesn't feel like enough. Honestly I was going to let this thread die until you chimed in right as I was looking at it! Plenty of useless thread around though. Just wanted to see if anyone else felt like capturing and defending is enough. It's clear though that my corp tag insights a bit of rage. I think if it was originally introduced like this way back in the day and then built upon through updates no one would care or complain. We were spoiled with the passive isk Gen and expected it. But I like the idea of strong corps stomping the weak who come in proto while the stronger uses bpo lol. In the end it gives them a chance to feel good after they manage to win through attack after attack. Sadly that is not how it is and you are right it's in a dismal state. But hey, I'm more than happy to kill you in pubs till they get done with the changes if you need a real reason to rage about low payouts **** salvage and not being able to cover your losses.
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 3414	Posted - 2015.04.29 18:11:00 - [16] - Quote I just want to know where the incentive is at. Give me a reason to WANT to get involved with PC! Yes I'm not that good but damn I will try hard and practice if there was an incentive to actually do PC. (Even something like modules, weapons, resources that can only be found in PC battles) Otherwise I'm having hard enough games in pubs as it is thanks... Vitantur Nothus wrote: Why hide a solution under frothy pile of derpa? SCV Ready!
JJ'S Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 117	Posted - 2015.04.29 18:24:00 - [17] - Quote Balistyc Farshot wrote: Tebu Gan wrote: Quote: Spawning and End of Match * Planetary Conquest End of Match rewards will be changed to a new rule, Team A recovers Team B's losses, split equally among team A's members, and vice versa. Biomass will no longer be awarded as a reward for winning, successfully defending or claiming a District is reward enough. Emphasis on the last bit. Is that how people have generally felt about PC battles? Personally, I never felt that simply defending or claiming a district was reward enough. When you have successfully claimed or defended as many districts as I have, the reward is in what you get out of it, isk or something to make isk. Yeah I know, changes are comin. Just read things like this and get kinda butthurt over it. Psh reward enough my butt. And while I'm on subject, our one PC battle since these changes came was supposed to be a flip. Won the first battle, went to play the reup and boom, battle magically disappeared. That was a lot of clones we lost there. Cap Ac complaining about district ownership not being lucrative and losing clones? Wait one second, let me get the world's tiniest violin warmed up for your tear filled speech. There won't be a dry eye in the house. Will you plead with Devs to hear why your corp needs those districts? You must be low on ISK. I know. you need to feed your children Lebron! You understand how little revenue is generated from PC right? Double the ISK is created everyday from people making a new character, transferring the 250k ISk off of it and then deleting.. Repeating for several accounts... You ever wonder why new player creation has been crazy high for DUST for 2 years but has never showed up in DUST player population growth? http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust PC ISk generation requires significant ISK investment... Risk vs reward.. Most individual players drop nearly a million ISK in PC situations in fittings and vehicles.. Then the initial cost of clone packs. Getting mad at a PC players because they make ISK based on an extreme risk vs reward situation... Is like getting mad at a MMORPG player who raids and has better gear then you... Either learn to do it yourself... Or accept that end game rewards and items come to those who pursue it. Not those who claim how unfair everything is. Regardless DUST was a much stronger product with the 30 highh end corporations we lost.. Because of PC changes, Aim assist additions, And an executive producer who largely abandoned the product in his first year of employ. Your Hardcore players are your backbone to a game.. They are the players who train others... Run and maintain leadership, and push the boundaries of the competitive aspects of the game. DUST held higher player populations during their reign.. The average stay per mercenary was an hour longer.. And CCP has done everything within their skill to cater to a CoD casual player base. -Aim assist, -Matchmaking, -Lowering TTK, -Tank revamp making modules stupid easy to use. -Dropship revamp so that it auto levels for you. -Nerfing PC to make it more casual friendly 3 times unsuccessfully. -Re-adding blueprints so casuals can play the game without having the feeling of loss each death. Essentially not playing the game. Can go on for a long time... DUST 514 has had all the personal skill removed from being a factor in gameplay while dumbing the game down to near snooze boring levels. Killing someone now is meh... There is no challenge... 1-2 seconds they are dead... 5-10 seconds later you can't even remember their name... They ripped the heart out of DUST 514 and put in on casual players plate and they still didn't want it. While Alienating their most Hardcore players. One day CCP will learn a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Tebu Gan Capital Acquisitions LLC 1396	Posted - 2015.04.29 18:26:00 - [18] - Quote Demandred Moores wrote: Tebu Gan wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: We are actively working with the majority of PC CEOs and/or directors. Talk to your CEO if you think your voice needs to be heard. A thread like this is practically useless, no offense OP. Lol, it was more about what was said in notes, "taking and defending districts should be enough". I know changes are coming and am patiently waiting, but just wanted to get out that alone doesn't feel like enough. Honestly I was going to let this thread die until you chimed in right as I was looking at it! Plenty of useless thread around though. Just wanted to see if anyone else felt like capturing and defending is enough. It's clear though that my corp tag insights a bit of rage. I think if it was originally introduced like this way back in the day and then built upon through updates no one would care or complain. We were spoiled with the passive isk Gen and expected it. But I like the idea of strong corps stomping the weak who come in proto while the stronger uses bpo lol. In the end it gives them a chance to feel good after they manage to win through attack after attack. Sadly that is not how it is and you are right it's in a dismal state. But hey, I'm more than happy to kill you in pubs till they get done with the changes if you need a real reason to rage about low payouts **** salvage and not being able to cover your losses. Losses are never and won't ever be an issue. While my corp did drop down to BPO suits (most of us at least) against GAM running officer suits, that was more for giggles (before the recent change). And it didn't exactly last long, as we eventually did all pull proto, which resulted in quite a stomp. This idea that people will be playing cheap suits to make a profit from the end of the match just won't pan out in my opinion. We have the best so we bring the best. ISK is of very little consequence in PC ( more so with trading ). Though it was nice actually getting something for a win over district ownership. It made that effort all the more rewarding. And I feel sorry for the corps that wanna PC but can't break into it. Hate to break it to them but they just won't stand a chance against large corps that have established themselves. There's a lot more to it than just bringing proto and a full team to make a win. People cry how unfair PC is, but the strong flourish while the weak perish. Get a strong team and keep trying. All to often people lose and give up, gotta practice. Tanks - Balancing Turrets
Silver Strike44 643	Posted - 2015.04.29 19:29:00 - [19] - Quote Balistyc Farshot wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Heh, there's just going to be a bunch of tears from people who haven't got a clue about PC violently disagreeing in this thread. It's pointless, yeah, but PC has been poorly done for a long time. I suppose they wanted to fully kill it before a revamp, though. If that revamp ever comes. I have been a PC vet for a while. I have been in Dust since open beta started. I just am not a forum warrior. What I am saying is that with PC being in the current state and some corps having more districts than ever (Go check the star map). Plus all the other PC issues that have finally come out. There is a thread on this and skype discussions. Why is a super rich corp, with piles of districts, capitalized on the district isk generation, complaining about a mechanic that cost them clones. If a small corp with one district said this, I would feel bad and I would hope Frame would log a ticket. Capital Acquisitions isnt really rich. He wasnt so much complaining about losing clones as he was saying that its a problem that needs to be fixed. My YouTube Channel
Tebu Gan Capital Acquisitions LLC 1398	Posted - 2015.04.29 19:31:00 - [20] - Quote Silver Strike44 wrote: Balistyc Farshot wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Heh, there's just going to be a bunch of tears from people who haven't got a clue about PC violently disagreeing in this thread. It's pointless, yeah, but PC has been poorly done for a long time. I suppose they wanted to fully kill it before a revamp, though. If that revamp ever comes. I have been a PC vet for a while. I have been in Dust since open beta started. I just am not a forum warrior. What I am saying is that with PC being in the current state and some corps having more districts than ever (Go check the star map). Plus all the other PC issues that have finally come out. There is a thread on this and skype discussions. Why is a super rich corp, with piles of districts, capitalized on the district isk generation, complaining about a mechanic that cost them clones. If a small corp with one district said this, I would feel bad and I would hope Frame would log a ticket. Capital Acquisitions isnt really rich. He wasnt so much complaining about losing clones as he was saying that its a problem that needs to be fixed. I don't know where people get this idea that everyone that PC's is rich. No, we're just really really really ridiculously good:) Tanks - Balancing Turrets

el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC 1044	Posted - 2015.04.29 20:38:00 - [21] - Quote Balistyc Farshot wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Heh, there's just going to be a bunch of tears from people who haven't got a clue about PC violently disagreeing in this thread. It's pointless, yeah, but PC has been poorly done for a long time. I suppose they wanted to fully kill it before a revamp, though. If that revamp ever comes. I have been a PC vet for a while. I have been in Dust since open beta started. I just am not a forum warrior. What I am saying is that with PC being in the current state and some corps having more districts than ever (Go check the star map). Plus all the other PC issues that have finally come out. There is a thread on this and skype discussions. Why is a super rich corp, with piles of districts, capitalized on the district isk generation, complaining about a mechanic that cost them clones. If a small corp with one district said this, I would feel bad and I would hope Frame would log a ticket. I've read the entire thread and just want to add a couple points- 1. The overwhelmingly vast majority of the current CALLC district holdings were acquired AFTER the removal of passive district isk generation. The previous couple of plots' revenue was not funneled as any sort of regular "payroll" to any members and instead was held and paid out to PC participators as comp against overwhelming losses, vehicle loss comps, worthwhile standby pay as well as corp member performance or participation bonuses. ie- ain't nobody in CA "super rich" from "district isk generation". The wealthy among us are so from their own, individual, productive efforts in PC and elsewhere. 2. You're new in your corp so I don't expect you to know or it to be known but OMs first (or one of your first) district was purchased from Cuse/KEQ with ISK I loaned to Luke from the CALLC wallet. A wallet primarily funded by member donations. We locked you guys down once or twice, you lost the district eventually and iirc I set you up with another from the CALLC portfolio. (during our Parks and Recreations period, search WarRoom threads for details) 3. Tebu's raising of the glitch in matches disappearing is a universal problem and while you may choose to discredit Tebu based on his tags, doing so misses the point. PC re-up battles are going "missing". We play to play, we fight to get paid. Thats the game. If theres a broken element in that it's broken for everyone. Lucky it happened to us, we've been at this long enough to calmly absorb it and move on. A small newbie group might not have had the same reaction and instead flipped their **** and spammed the internets a billion times over "DUST sux" and cost us all our game. Put that violin back in its case. Please. Open-Beta Vet. Egbinger Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC 1044	Posted - 2015.04.29 20:44:00 - [22] - Quote For anyone who's actually been PCing as primary employment for the last several months to a year+ the new pay structure is a dis-incentive to PC for any reason outside of territorial defenses. Defenses based around this idea that "it'll be worth something someday Soon(TM)". Open-Beta Vet. Egbinger Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR
Tebu Gan Capital Acquisitions LLC 1399	Posted - 2015.04.29 21:31:00 - [23] - Quote el OPERATOR wrote: For anyone who's actually been PCing as primary employment for the last several months to a year+ the new pay structure is a dis-incentive to PC for any reason outside of territorial defenses. Defenses based around this idea that "it'll be worth something someday Soon(TM)". I think Rattati know this at this point. Pretty sure it's frustrating hearing it over and over (hence his post here)! But I'm with you on the time frame, PC is very much dead atm. His idea under the feed back section for improving isk payouts in Pubs Isk rewards is a pretty solid idea that could easily translate to PC payouts. Right now winners and losers shouldn't be receiving equal payouts, or losers for that matter getting larger payouts for running free suits. Losers shouldn't be winners, then what's the point of winning! Tanks - Balancing Turrets
J0LLY R0G3R And the ButtPirates 2823	Posted - 2015.04.29 21:35:00 - [24] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: Quote: Spawning and End of Match * Planetary Conquest End of Match rewards will be changed to a new rule, Team A recovers Team B's losses, split equally among team A's members, and vice versa. Biomass will no longer be awarded as a reward for winning, successfully defending or claiming a District is reward enough. Emphasis on the last bit. Is that how people have generally felt about PC battles? Personally, I never felt that simply defending or claiming a district was reward enough. When you have successfully claimed or defended as many districts as I have, the reward is in what you get out of it, isk or something to make isk. Yeah I know, changes are comin. Just read things like this and get kinda butthurt over it. Psh reward enough my butt. And while I'm on subject, our one PC battle since these changes came was supposed to be a flip. Won the first battle, went to play the reup and boom, battle magically disappeared. That was a lot of clones we lost there. It should be reward enough, if the districts did anything. Which they do not. They left that part out for some reason. The ButtPirates Now Accepting Applications. XD TheYoutube
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC 1044	Posted - 2015.04.29 21:57:00 - [25] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: el OPERATOR wrote: For anyone who's actually been PCing as primary employment for the last several months to a year+ the new pay structure is a dis-incentive to PC for any reason outside of territorial defenses. Defenses based around this idea that "it'll be worth something someday Soon(TM)". I think Rattati know this at this point. Pretty sure it's frustrating hearing it over and over (hence his post here)! But I'm with you on the time frame, PC is very much dead atm. His idea under the feed back section for improving isk payouts in Pubs Isk rewards is a pretty solid idea that could easily translate to PC payouts. Right now winners and losers shouldn't be receiving equal payouts, or losers for that matter getting larger payouts for running free suits. Losers shouldn't be winners, then what's the point of winning! Agreed. I know and you know and we know that he knows that we know that he knows. I put that last bit more for the people who don't know that they don't know what they don't know so that they could know what we know. Ya' know? Open-Beta Vet. Egbinger Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR
Aeon Amadi Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback 9858	Posted - 2015.04.29 22:03:00 - [26] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: We are actively working with the majority of PC CEOs and/or directors. Talk to your CEO if you think your voice needs to be heard. A thread like this is practically useless, no offense OP. Unpopular Opinion Amadi here with more exciting comments! Okay, so, the chain of command is now: CCP > CPM > PC Think Tank > PC CEOs > Players That's cool. So what happens when someone along those lines thinks it's a bad idea because it doesn't pander their own interests? Can't tell me it won't happen - it happens all the time. Good ideas get ignored when they're not publicized and telling us to talk to our CEO's is basically saying, "Have your opinion potentially get lost, never to be heard of again." You guys are like a broken record with this "CPM material" business xD Let it go
Tebu Gan Capital Acquisitions LLC 1402	Posted - 2015.04.29 22:30:00 - [27] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: We are actively working with the majority of PC CEOs and/or directors. Talk to your CEO if you think your voice needs to be heard. A thread like this is practically useless, no offense OP. Unpopular Opinion Amadi here with more exciting comments! Okay, so, the chain of command is now: CCP > CPM > PC Think Tank > PC CEOs > Players That's cool. So what happens when someone along those lines thinks it's a bad idea because it doesn't pander their own interests? Can't tell me it won't happen - it happens all the time. Good ideas get ignored when they're not publicized and telling us to talk to our CEO's is basically saying, "Have your opinion potentially get lost, never to be heard of again." Yeah, I kinda thought something along those lines when I first read it. It's somewhat offensive for a Dev to degrade a player like that(I just took it in stride mind you, no use getting butthurt). Mind you that I am in general disscusions, and not all posts need be for the dev overlords constant benefit. If he's looking for gold, I hear the feedback section of the forums is full of them. I assumed players should be able to discuss this amongst themselves, for our own benefit. Practically useless for a developer sure. Then ignore it, I honestly didn't think this warranted a fabled "blue tag". Tanks - Balancing Turrets
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC 1046	Posted - 2015.04.29 23:05:00 - [28] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Unpopular Opinion Amadi here with more exciting comments! [/quote] Wait. A. Minute. I thought I was the Harbinger of Opinons Unpopular?!!?? da hell's goin on here? Open-Beta Vet. Egbinger Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 2218	Posted - 2015.04.29 23:24:00 - [29] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: We are actively working with the majority of PC CEOs and/or directors. Talk to your CEO if you think your voice needs to be heard. A thread like this is practically useless, no offense OP. Unpopular Opinion Amadi here with more exciting comments! Okay, so, the chain of command is now: CCP > CPM > PC Think Tank > PC CEOs > Players That's cool. So what happens when someone along those lines thinks it's a bad idea because it doesn't pander their own interests? Can't tell me it won't happen - it happens all the time. Good ideas get ignored when they're not publicized and telling us to talk to our CEO's is basically saying, "Have your opinion potentially get lost, never to be heard of again." Yeah, I kinda thought something along those lines when I first read it. It's somewhat offensive for a Dev to degrade a player like that(I just took it in stride mind you, no use getting butthurt). Mind you that I am in general disscusions, and not all posts need be for the dev overlords constant benefit. If he's looking for gold, I hear the feedback section of the forums is full of them. I assumed players should be able to discuss this amongst themselves, for our own benefit. Practically useless for a developer sure. Then ignore it, I honestly didn't think this warranted a fabled "blue tag". You guys know general PC feedback/new iteration ideas were in the feedback/ideas subforum starting on January 20th right? As in youve had 3 months to add to them. They got locked and moved when PC CEOs (maninly roman) was upset he wasnt personally asked for his ideas. I see it now as a plebs ideas (that ccp is presenting) vs current pc landowners. Must be a great conversation. Here I was thinking you drove tanks, but clearly thats just your ego that you ride around in. -DUST fiend to Dark Cloud


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