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Cypher Nil
Fireteam Tempest
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Posted - 2015.04.23 17:49:00 -
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Just hear me out, I understand and like the idea of having a super jump mechanic, it adds some new refreshing game play to the game and other paths onto the battlefield for players to make use of BUT....
Caldari can't use them... which sucks.
because their on high slots and caldari suits dont have much armour to start off with they take up the valuable shield slots from caldari users. making them even more weak then normal dust jumpers usually are. its not fair that what is essentually a utility ability is locked off to one of the four races. I'd like to see this moved to its own biotic/jetpack slot in the equipment slots on suits.
Thoughts?
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Ku Shala
PIanet Express
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Posted - 2015.04.23 18:45:00 -
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what? try a RR and some range
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7th Son 7
Escrow Removal and Acquisition
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Posted - 2015.04.23 19:52:00 -
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Cypher Nil wrote:Just hear me out, I understand and like the idea of having a super jump mechanic, it adds some new refreshing game play to the game and other paths onto the battlefield for players to make use of BUT....
Caldari can't use them... which sucks.
because their on high slots and caldari suits dont have much armour to start off with they take up the valuable shield slots from caldari users. making them even more weak then normal dust jumpers usually are. its not fair that what is essentually a utility ability is locked off to one of the four races. I'd like to see this moved to its own biotic/jetpack slot in the equipment slots on suits.
Thoughts?
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Cypher Nil
Fireteam Tempest
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Posted - 2015.04.23 20:05:00 -
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7th Son 7 wrote: Just type in Joseph Ridgeson Dust 514 on Youtube and you will see the truth. Your welcome Thanks for the input but the point i'm making still stands, with any other assault suit you would have the same level of jump distance and damage output but with more overall eHP due to having more armour.
This just brings us back to the fact that shields need a boost or damage to shields need to be nerfed but thats a larger issue, the jump mechanic will always be imbalanced if it takes up an armour slot or a shield slot on a fitting. it needs to be moved to equipment to fix this.
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Cypher Nil
Fireteam Tempest
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Posted - 2015.04.23 20:06:00 -
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Ku Shala wrote:what? try a RR and some range I don't see how this is relevant? it negates the CQC bonus of having the jump ability in a fight and completely screws your aim up at distance?
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Imp Smash
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.04.23 23:24:00 -
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Thats the exact same thing as Armor tankers asking to move KinKats off of the lows. Because they can't use them as it takes up valuable HP slots.
So Shield tankers get speed without sacrificing HP. Armor tankers get jump without sacrificing HP. Seems reasonable. |
The dark cloud
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2015.04.24 01:27:00 -
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Wut? you do know that when you fit 5 of them on a cal. assault you can jump higher then any 1 else? You can aswell access rooftops which are only reachable via dropships that way.
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Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.04.24 01:53:00 -
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The Dark Cloud wrote:Wut? you do know that when you fit 5 of them on a cal. assault you can jump higher then any 1 else? You can aswell access rooftops which are only reachable via dropships that way. Though you also sacrifice all HP for this ability.
The Myos BADLY need the stacking penalty fixed. Other than that, I love them, and I think they should keep the jump bonus.
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Cypher Nil
Fireteam Tempest
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Posted - 2015.04.24 02:07:00 -
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Imp Smash wrote:Thats the exact same thing as Armor tankers asking to move KinKats off of the lows. Because they can't use them as it takes up valuable HP slots.
So Shield tankers get speed without sacrificing HP. Armor tankers get jump without sacrificing HP. Seems reasonable.
The whole point of the armour vs shield balance is that shield gets mobility and armour gets more HP.
if armours gaining mobility from jumping don't you see a balance issue there? armour is SUPPOSE to slow you down. its the defining point of the trade offs of each stat. armour fits SHOULD NOT be able to outmaneuver shield fits in any way
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Cypher Nil
Fireteam Tempest
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Posted - 2015.04.24 02:07:00 -
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The Dark Cloud wrote:Wut? you do know that when you fit 5 of them on a cal. assault you can jump higher then any 1 else? You can aswell access rooftops which are only reachable via dropships that way.
YAY you can jump hire, i'm taking about combat effectivelness. you can jump higher and your made of paper. you also die quickly from fall damage
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The Dark Cloud
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2015.04.24 04:12:00 -
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Cypher Nil wrote:The Dark Cloud wrote:Wut? you do know that when you fit 5 of them on a cal. assault you can jump higher then any 1 else? You can aswell access rooftops which are only reachable via dropships that way. YAY you can jump hire, i'm taking about combat effectivelness. you can jump higher and your made of paper. you also die quickly from fall damage Ya just want that armor has everything. Im glad to have a caldari assault for once and you want to ruin it? Not on my watch pal. Armor suits have max 3 highslots and im not going to stand by and let them take a new role away. And yes jumping ontop of rooftops is officially a role in dust. Dont need a silly dropship for that anymore and thats to stay. Now you can go back and jump over the hamster high curbs with your armor tanked suit.
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Imp Smash
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.04.24 06:43:00 -
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Cypher Nil wrote:Imp Smash wrote:Thats the exact same thing as Armor tankers asking to move KinKats off of the lows. Because they can't use them as it takes up valuable HP slots.
So Shield tankers get speed without sacrificing HP. Armor tankers get jump without sacrificing HP. Seems reasonable. The whole point of the armour vs shield balance is that shield gets mobility and armour gets more HP. if armours gaining mobility from jumping don't you see a balance issue there? armour is SUPPOSE to slow you down. its the defining point of the trade offs of each stat. armour fits SHOULD NOT be able to outmaneuver shield fits in any way
It still does slow you down. 2/3rds of all armor lowers jump height. No shields lower jump height. They get some vertical mobility where as you, as a shield tanker, get lateral mobility.
More to the point, you don't have to sacrifice ALL your HP to get both vertical and lateral. Just run less hp. Like armor suits have to sacrifice hp to run faster and or longer.
But you should be super happy -- because every myofib on an armor tanker means 1 less Damage Mod on an armor tanker. So in effect, YOU get an HP buff when they get jump buffs...
Again -- This is the exact same thing as armor tankers asking to move kin kats off of the lows. Would you be cool with that? |
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Posted - 2015.04.24 10:05:00 -
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Posted - 2015.04.24 12:22:00 -
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Cypher Nil wrote:Just hear me out, I understand and like the idea of having a super jump mechanic, it adds some new refreshing game play to the game and other paths onto the battlefield for players to make use of BUT....
Caldari can't use them... which sucks.
because their on high slots and caldari suits dont have much armour to start off with they take up the valuable shield slots from caldari users. making them even more weak then normal dust jumpers usually are. its not fair that what is essentually a utility ability is locked off to one of the four races. I'd like to see this moved to its own biotic/jetpack slot in the equipment slots on suits.
Thoughts?
Considering most players have them on Cal suits it seems more likely that Caldari can use them just fine and the problem is that you are rubbish in a Cal suit.
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Cypher Nil
Fireteam Tempest
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Posted - 2015.04.24 15:22:00 -
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The Dark Cloud wrote:Cypher Nil wrote:The Dark Cloud wrote:Wut? you do know that when you fit 5 of them on a cal. assault you can jump higher then any 1 else? You can aswell access rooftops which are only reachable via dropships that way. YAY you can jump hire, i'm taking about combat effectivelness. you can jump higher and your made of paper. you also die quickly from fall damage Ya just want that armor has everything. Im glad to have a caldari assault for once and you want to ruin it? Not on my watch pal. Armor suits have max 3 highslots and im not going to stand by and let them take a new role away. And yes jumping ontop of rooftops is officially a role in dust. Dont need a silly dropship for that anymore and thats to stay. Now you can go back and jump over the hamster high curbs with your armor tanked suit.
I dont have a single armour based suit? what are you talking about?
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