DUST Search - Player Trading Trust Based? WTF?

Happy Violentime wrote:

MINA Longstrike wrote:

Clone D wrote:

This dev blog explains that player trading will be implemented in it's simplest form: trust based trading.

http://dust514.com/news/blog/2015/04/introducing-player-trading/

Ratatti explains that you will send and item to someone and hopefully they will send you the negotiated trade item.

WTF? CCP, why can't you do anything right? There is absolutely no accountability to that system whatsoever. People will scam each other until the system can no longer be used legitimately.

Why not a brokered system, CCP? Was the programming too difficult? Sup wit dat?

Use a vouched third party and pay them for their time. The really public ones will be placing their reputation on the line facilitating trades.

Isk goes to third party, item goes to third party, item goes from third party to buyer, isk goes from third party to seller. If someone gets scammed by the third party 'report' it on the trade forum, people will call them out as a scammer should they show up again.

No one trade with Mina he/she/it is a scammer and a dirty snake in the grass.

There, just ruined your rep, best go and get all your ALTs and other ACCTS to lie about how you aren't.

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Clone D Solo Zen 1677	Posted - 2015.04.23 03:08:00 - [1] - Quote This dev blog explains that player trading will be implemented in it's simplest form: trust based trading. http://dust514.com/news/blog/2015/04/introducing-player-trading/ Ratatti explains that you will send and item to someone and hopefully they will send you the negotiated trade item. WTF? CCP, why can't you do anything right? There is absolutely no accountability to that system whatsoever. People will scam each other until the system can no longer be used legitimately. Why not a brokered system, CCP? Was the programming too difficult? Sup wit dat?
Vash Warren SMARTCREW Smart Deploy 150	Posted - 2015.04.23 03:10:00 - [2] - Quote 3rd party brokerage system. Like me. I will start up a system when PT come out. Looking to purchase or sell anything Officer, Aur, or of special value. Message in game for trade information.
Clone D Solo Zen 1677	Posted - 2015.04.23 03:16:00 - [3] - Quote And another thing. Do you know how much effort will go into getting rid of all of our sh!t junk. We need to be able to post it and let the highest bidder take it home. Skulking around on the forums trying to find a buyer for some bs we picked up in a strongbox is a NOGO.
Golden Day Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 1444	Posted - 2015.04.23 03:18:00 - [4] - Quote Clone D wrote: And another thing. Do you know how much effort will go into getting rid of all of our sh!t junk. We need to be able to post it and let the highest bidder take it home. Skulking around on the forums trying to find a buyer for some bs we picked up in a strongbox is a NOGO. You do know you could sell it to the npc market?? FOR THE STATE!
Scheneighnay McBob And the ButtPirates 6170	Posted - 2015.04.23 03:32:00 - [5] - Quote It's the simplest thing that can be implemented: in other words, Ratman wanted to add trading ASAP, and that was the fastest way to do it. Very likely we'll see polished versions of trading later on. But it's true, the empyreans have no word for "trust" Some details can be ignored
Scheneighnay McBob And the ButtPirates 6170	Posted - 2015.04.23 03:32:00 - [6] - Quote Vash Warren wrote: 3rd party brokerage system. Like me. I will start up a system when PT come out. for the record I trust 3rd party brokers less than I trust random people Some details can be ignored
DUST Fiend 16535	Posted - 2015.04.23 03:34:00 - [7] - Quote Golden Day wrote: Clone D wrote: And another thing. Do you know how much effort will go into getting rid of all of our sh!t junk. We need to be able to post it and let the highest bidder take it home. Skulking around on the forums trying to find a buyer for some bs we picked up in a strongbox is a NOGO. You do know you could sell it to the npc market?? The NPC market that you have to spend $$$$$ in order to get only moderately ripped off? *"My bitter is showing. I must retreat to the berry patch."* STUFF
The Modern Creature Incorruptibles 70	Posted - 2015.04.23 03:35:00 - [8] - Quote Quit ******* complaining, this is New Eden. If you get scammed then HTFU. Attention passengers I will be your captain for the evening, I'm sure we won't run into any swarms but just inc- JUMP!!!
DUST Fiend 16535	Posted - 2015.04.23 03:37:00 - [9] - Quote The Modern Creature wrote: Quit ***** complaining, this is New Eden. If you get scammed then HTFU. YEA How DARE you expect CCP to implement a simple (read: proper) trading feature, and especially how DARE you want scammers to be creative. The nerve of some people. "My bitter is showing. I must retreat to the berry patch."** STUFF
The Modern Creature Incorruptibles 70	Posted - 2015.04.23 03:48:00 - [10] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: The Modern Creature wrote: Quit ***** complaining, this is New Eden. If you get scammed then HTFU. YEA How DARE you expect CCP to implement a simple (read: proper) trading feature, and especially how DARE** you want scammers to be creative. The nerve of some people. Finally someone who probably is being sarcastic but I'll pretend you understand me! :DDD Attention passengers I will be your captain for the evening, I'm sure we won't run into any swarms but just inc- JUMP!!!

MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 2714	Posted - 2015.04.23 03:49:00 - [11] - Quote Clone D wrote: This dev blog explains that player trading will be implemented in it's simplest form: trust based trading. http://dust514.com/news/blog/2015/04/introducing-player-trading/ Ratatti explains that you will send and item to someone and hopefully they will send you the negotiated trade item. WTF? CCP, why can't you do anything right? There is absolutely no accountability to that system whatsoever. People will scam each other until the system can no longer be used legitimately. Why not a brokered system, CCP? Was the programming too difficult? Sup wit dat? Use a vouched third party and pay them for their time. The really public ones will be placing their reputation on the line facilitating trades. Isk goes to third party, item goes to third party, item goes from third party to buyer, isk goes from third party to seller. If someone gets scammed by the third party 'report' it on the trade forum, people will call them out as a scammer should they show up again. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Forever ETC Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 992	Posted - 2015.04.23 03:52:00 - [12] - Quote How I wished trading worked: Player X has offered you Scrub Riffle for 10 iskies. Do you accept? If you accept offer, you have 24 hours to send and receive the money/item. There would be a menu where all your offers and trades would be located. From there you just click on offer that you have accepted and select to send item/money. If you reject you can do two things: Decline offer or compromise on new deal. For example: Player Y has rejected your offer but has open a new deal of- Scrub Riffle for 1 iskies. Do you accept new offer? If either party doesn't completes their offer they would lose trading ranking. Trade ranking would be a way to determine reliable customers and... F+ck this I'm getting carried away. PIE Lasers4life "See these marks... Don't overheat your gun"
Michael Arck 6218	Posted - 2015.04.23 03:54:00 - [13] - Quote Scamming in New Eden? Nooooooooo how dare CCP stick to New Eden's way of life? Kleenex soft aloe tissue inbound. Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
Juno Tristan Obscure Reference 567	Posted - 2015.04.23 03:56:00 - [14] - Quote Clone D wrote: And another thing. Do you know how much effort will go into getting rid of all of our sh!t junk. We need to be able to post it and let the highest bidder take it home. Skulking around on the forums trying to find a buyer for some bs we picked up in a strongbox is a NOGO. I will be accepting all advanced and above gear at competitive rates (compared to selling to npc), expect a post nearer the patch ADS Ramming Revenge! Plasma Cannon Rampage
The Dark Cloud The Rainbow Effect 4573	Posted - 2015.04.23 03:57:00 - [15] - Quote You better be gracefull that we at least get this. FW players actually have a reason to exist (they buy gear with LP and sell it for ISK), stuff you want to trade or have no usage for can actually find people who need it. I for example have hundreds of basic and advanced combat loadouts from salvage, the STD loadouts cost 10k ISK on the market but because im a nice guy i will only charge 5k ISK. Most fits are actually usable and the quality of the suit can help out newbies/broke players quite alot. If i sell for example 100 basic amarr combat loadouts for 5k ISK a pop it would only cost 500k ISK for people who dont really have the ISK. Another niche is weapon/suits you get from strongboxes. Since allmost everything from a strongbox is a AUR variant it can be used sooner then a ISK equivalent. A common thing is the Allotek "pyrus" assault rifle, i have over 150 of those things and i plan on selling them in bulks of 50 or so. Then there is the warbarge which can produce experimental/officer grade weapons and suits. Those will be pricy and a decent income if you either cant use the stuff or want something else in exchange. Like a officer AR for a officer scrambler rifle etc. Im confident that there will be ingame chats and forum adds where people can put their offers. However the first days will be crazy and 200 posts which are about scaming will be spammed on the forum. I make the scrubs scream and the vets cry.
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 1085	Posted - 2015.04.23 03:58:00 - [16] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Clone D wrote: This dev blog explains that player trading will be implemented in it's simplest form: trust based trading. http://dust514.com/news/blog/2015/04/introducing-player-trading/ Ratatti explains that you will send and item to someone and hopefully they will send you the negotiated trade item. WTF? CCP, why can't you do anything right? There is absolutely no accountability to that system whatsoever. People will scam each other until the system can no longer be used legitimately. Why not a brokered system, CCP? Was the programming too difficult? Sup wit dat? Use a vouched third party and pay them for their time. The really public ones will be placing their reputation on the line facilitating trades. Isk goes to third party, item goes to third party, item goes from third party to buyer, isk goes from third party to seller. If someone gets scammed by the third party 'report' it on the trade forum, people will call them out as a scammer should they show up again. No one trade with Mina he/she/it is a scammer and a dirty snake in the grass. There, just ruined your rep, best go and get all your ALTs and other ACCTS to lie about how you aren't.
DUST Fiend 16538	Posted - 2015.04.23 04:02:00 - [17] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Scamming in New Eden? Nooooooooo how dare CCP stick to New Eden's way of life? Kleenex soft aloe tissue inbound. New Edens way of life is to cleverly scam. There's nothing clever about the current system. Nothing. *"My bitter is showing. I must retreat to the berry patch."* STUFF
STYLIE77 KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 575	Posted - 2015.04.23 04:08:00 - [18] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Scamming in New Eden? Nooooooooo how dare CCP stick to New Eden's way of life? Kleenex soft aloe tissue inbound. More like hundreds of calls to Sony Customer Service... http://caughtyouflinching.ytmnd.com/
LOOKMOM NOHANDS 548	Posted - 2015.04.23 04:09:00 - [19] - Quote Vash Warren wrote: 3rd party brokerage system. Like me. I will start up a system when PT come out. Unfortunately 3rd party brokers are going to get screwed by the trade fee. I really think that trade fees should have been reserved for an actual 2 way transaction not just "gifting" as we are going to have.
nelo kazuma THE LAST H0PE. RUST415 98	Posted - 2015.04.23 04:10:00 - [20] - Quote Easy solution -_- Step 1 make a chat invite fellow corp mates friendly who u play with and can trust n build a trust chat. Step 2 if u dont feel like start chat follow rest of step one trust only people u know. Step 3 recieve payment for 1 item at a time its one thing to lose isk but that can be remade easily gear nope. If their unwilling then dont even bother. Officer gear should never go for more than a mil at most suits aside. Not to mention tax is percentage based so doesnt matter if your trading a 100 or 1 tax is the same. Step 4 id advise wait a week after release to see if glitches occur. Step 5 when trading with random person always add them to watch list or block list if you for some reason get jipped in some way which shouldnt happen if previous steps followed

DUST Fiend 16541	Posted - 2015.04.23 04:14:00 - [21] - Quote nelo kazuma wrote: Easy solution -_- Step 1 make a chat invite fellow corp mates friendly who u play with and can trust n build a trust chat. Step 2 if u dont feel like start chat follow rest of step one trust only people u know. Step 3 recieve payment for 1 item at a time its one thing to lose isk but that can be remade easily gear nope. If their unwilling then dont even bother. Officer gear should never go for more than a mil at most suits aside. Not to mention tax is percentage based so doesnt matter if your trading a 100 or 1 tax is the same. Step 4 id advise wait a week after release to see if glitches occur. Step 5 when trading with random person always add them to watch list or block list if you for some reason get jipped in some way which shouldnt happen if previous steps followed I think we have differing opinions on what the word 'easy' means *"My bitter is showing. I must retreat to the berry patch."* STUFF
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 2715	Posted - 2015.04.23 05:29:00 - [22] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Clone D wrote: This dev blog explains that player trading will be implemented in it's simplest form: trust based trading. http://dust514.com/news/blog/2015/04/introducing-player-trading/ Ratatti explains that you will send and item to someone and hopefully they will send you the negotiated trade item. WTF? CCP, why can't you do anything right? There is absolutely no accountability to that system whatsoever. People will scam each other until the system can no longer be used legitimately. Why not a brokered system, CCP? Was the programming too difficult? Sup wit dat? Use a vouched third party and pay them for their time. The really public ones will be placing their reputation on the line facilitating trades. Isk goes to third party, item goes to third party, item goes from third party to buyer, isk goes from third party to seller. If someone gets scammed by the third party 'report' it on the trade forum, people will call them out as a scammer should they show up again. No one trade with Mina he/she/it is a scammer and a dirty snake in the grass. There, just ruined your rep, best go and get all your ALTs and other ACCTS to lie about how you aren't. Cute, but generally a little more proof is required. And yes, drama will be had with a system like this. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Regis Blackbird DUST University Ivy League 769	Posted - 2015.04.23 05:51:00 - [23] - Quote Clone D wrote: This dev blog explains that player trading will be implemented in it's simplest form: trust based trading. http://dust514.com/news/blog/2015/04/introducing-player-trading/ Ratatti explains that you will send and item to someone and hopefully they will send you the negotiated trade item. WTF? CCP, why can't you do anything right? There is absolutely no accountability to that system whatsoever. People will scam each other until the system can no longer be used legitimately. Why not a brokered system, CCP? Was the programming too difficult? Sup wit dat? This is actually Agile development 101. Small increments which gives value to the customer (us) which can be iterated upon based on feedback. A trading (broker) system you propose would be useless without the technical ability to send an item to another player (harder than you think in New Eden). Would you rather wait a long time to have everything, only to then discover the core mechanic was flawed? Or better yet, a re-prioritisation of other features during development which means you will never get it? In case you are wondering, that is how they worked before CCP Rattati came aboard. Worked out really good, didn't it
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5741	Posted - 2015.04.23 11:26:00 - [24] - Quote Clone D wrote: This dev blog explains that player trading will be implemented in it's simplest form: trust based trading. http://dust514.com/news/blog/2015/04/introducing-player-trading/ Ratatti explains that you will send and item to someone and hopefully they will send you the negotiated trade item. WTF? CCP, why can't you do anything right? There is absolutely no accountability to that system whatsoever. People will scam each other until the system can no longer be used legitimately. Why not a brokered system, CCP? Was the programming too difficult? Sup wit dat? Trust based trading is one of the most interesting ways to build a player market honestly. People ARE accountable. Every time someone does something scummy their reputation takes a hit. Also allows for third party brokers to be a thing. Under a system of guarantees you can't have that kind of drama. Not as fun. Of course, I've always been a fan of having contracts like EVE does, but with actual small print and difficult-to-understand wording. That makes the scamming even more fun. Usually banned for being too awesome.
Mex-0 592	Posted - 2015.04.23 11:30:00 - [25] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Scamming in New Eden? Nooooooooo how dare CCP stick to New Eden's way of life? Kleenex soft aloe tissue inbound. 'Quafe' Tissue G-1 BWAH
hold that Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 784	Posted - 2015.04.23 11:34:00 - [26] - Quote i'll give you my cell phone number, in case you want to trade nude pics later but for real though, i have an astronomical amount of officer weps, will sell 1 mil a piece. you send me the one mil, i send you the wep, i am 100% OG i guarantee it.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 9597	Posted - 2015.04.23 11:38:00 - [27] - Quote Simple Player Trading is not the way I wanted to see trading implemented either. I would have preferred something similar to the contract system in Eve Online: Create contract X good for Y ISK > Send to a contact > Contact gets a notification > Reviews contract > If the terms are agreeable they accept > ISK is automatically deducted from contact's wallet and they get the item When you create the contract there is also a small contract fee. I believe it is 10,000 ISK. This is mostly to prevent spamming contracts for griefing purposes. That's a great deal more complicated, and more difficult to code, than the Simple Player Trading feature. The contract feature would be much better, but it would take the CCP Shanghai Dust dev team months of focused development to roll out. We get this Simple Player Trading now and that opens up the ability to give some trusted folks the officer / experimental gear we don't use. CCP can try to iterate on the existing feature later. @Ripley_Riley
Infine Sentinel Better Hide R Die 829	Posted - 2015.04.23 12:04:00 - [28] - Quote Clone D wrote: This dev blog explains that player trading will be implemented in it's simplest form: trust based trading. http://dust514.com/news/blog/2015/04/introducing-player-trading/ Ratatti explains that you will send and item to someone and hopefully they will send you the negotiated trade item. WTF? CCP, why can't you do anything right? There is absolutely no accountability to that system whatsoever. People will scam each other until the system can no longer be used legitimately. Why not a brokered system, CCP? Was the programming too difficult? Sup wit dat? I know! isn't awesome? (There is no sarcasm in this post) Local forum Cannibal. Creator Of The Lego Shoe Idea.
Clone D Solo Zen 1679	Posted - 2015.04.23 12:08:00 - [29] - Quote I think an auction system would prove most useful. Instead of having to hunt down buyers for my goods, I want to be able to post an auction item with a starting bid and a time limit, walk away and forget about it. In this way, market values would balance themselves, as buyers could peruse the auction for an item, sort by bid amount and try to get the cheapest deal, while demand would gradually drive up the price to market value. If Dust had an API, I would build an integrated auction system myself. Currently, though, as trades are simply trust based, there's no way I would build a decoupled system to organize trading behavior. Anytime a business process that should be automated has not been automated and requires an undue amount of manual work, I will forgo that process. Hence, I won't be trading.
Shamarskii Simon The Hundred Acre Hood Rise Of Legion. 361	Posted - 2015.04.23 12:13:00 - [30] - Quote Welcome to New Eden . The ADS tourney! Join today!



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