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Clone D
Solo Zen
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Posted - 2015.04.23 03:08:00 -
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This dev blog explains that player trading will be implemented in it's simplest form: trust based trading.
http://dust514.com/news/blog/2015/04/introducing-player-trading/
Ratatti explains that you will send and item to someone and hopefully they will send you the negotiated trade item.
WTF? CCP, why can't you do anything right? There is absolutely no accountability to that system whatsoever. People will scam each other until the system can no longer be used legitimately.
Why not a brokered system, CCP? Was the programming too difficult? Sup wit dat? |
Vash Warren
SMARTCREW
Smart Deploy
150
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Posted - 2015.04.23 03:10:00 -
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3rd party brokerage system. Like me. I will start up a system when PT come out.
Looking to purchase or sell anything Officer, Aur, or of special value. Message in game for trade information.
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Clone D
Solo Zen
1677
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Posted - 2015.04.23 03:16:00 -
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And another thing. Do you know how much effort will go into getting rid of all of our sh!t junk. We need to be able to post it and let the highest bidder take it home. Skulking around on the forums trying to find a buyer for some bs we picked up in a strongbox is a NOGO. |
Golden Day
Corrosive Synergy
Rise Of Legion.
1444
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Posted - 2015.04.23 03:18:00 -
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Clone D wrote:And another thing. Do you know how much effort will go into getting rid of all of our sh!t junk. We need to be able to post it and let the highest bidder take it home. Skulking around on the forums trying to find a buyer for some bs we picked up in a strongbox is a NOGO.
You do know you could sell it to the npc market??
FOR THE STATE!
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Scheneighnay McBob
And the ButtPirates
6170
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Posted - 2015.04.23 03:32:00 -
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It's the simplest thing that can be implemented: in other words, Ratman wanted to add trading ASAP, and that was the fastest way to do it. Very likely we'll see polished versions of trading later on.
But it's true, the empyreans have no word for "trust"
Some details can be ignored
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Scheneighnay McBob
And the ButtPirates
6170
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Posted - 2015.04.23 03:32:00 -
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Vash Warren wrote:3rd party brokerage system. Like me. I will start up a system when PT come out.
for the record I trust 3rd party brokers less than I trust random people
Some details can be ignored
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DUST Fiend
16535
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Posted - 2015.04.23 03:34:00 -
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Golden Day wrote:Clone D wrote:And another thing. Do you know how much effort will go into getting rid of all of our sh!t junk. We need to be able to post it and let the highest bidder take it home. Skulking around on the forums trying to find a buyer for some bs we picked up in a strongbox is a NOGO. You do know you could sell it to the npc market??
The NPC market that you have to spend $$$$$ in order to get only moderately ripped off?
"My bitter is showing. I must retreat to the berry patch."
STUFF
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The Modern Creature
Incorruptibles
70
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Posted - 2015.04.23 03:35:00 -
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Quit ******* complaining, this is New Eden. If you get scammed then HTFU.
Attention passengers I will be your captain for the evening, I'm sure we won't run into any swarms but just inc- JUMP!!!
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DUST Fiend
16535
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Posted - 2015.04.23 03:37:00 -
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The Modern Creature wrote:Quit ******* complaining, this is New Eden. If you get scammed then HTFU.
YEA
How DARE you expect CCP to implement a simple (read: proper) trading feature, and especially how DARE you want scammers to be creative.
The nerve of some people.
"My bitter is showing. I must retreat to the berry patch."
STUFF
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The Modern Creature
Incorruptibles
70
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Posted - 2015.04.23 03:48:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:The Modern Creature wrote:Quit ******* complaining, this is New Eden. If you get scammed then HTFU. YEA How DARE you expect CCP to implement a simple (read: proper) trading feature, and especially how DARE you want scammers to be creative. The nerve of some people.
Finally someone who probably is being sarcastic but I'll pretend you understand me! :DDD
Attention passengers I will be your captain for the evening, I'm sure we won't run into any swarms but just inc- JUMP!!!
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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
2714
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Posted - 2015.04.23 03:49:00 -
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Clone D wrote:This dev blog explains that player trading will be implemented in it's simplest form: trust based trading. http://dust514.com/news/blog/2015/04/introducing-player-trading/Ratatti explains that you will send and item to someone and hopefully they will send you the negotiated trade item. WTF? CCP, why can't you do anything right? There is absolutely no accountability to that system whatsoever. People will scam each other until the system can no longer be used legitimately. Why not a brokered system, CCP? Was the programming too difficult? Sup wit dat?
Use a vouched third party and pay them for their time. The really public ones will be placing their reputation on the line facilitating trades.
Isk goes to third party, item goes to third party, item goes from third party to buyer, isk goes from third party to seller. If someone gets scammed by the third party 'report' it on the trade forum, people will call them out as a scammer should they show up again.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
I have a few alts.
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Forever ETC
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
992
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Posted - 2015.04.23 03:52:00 -
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How I wished trading worked:
Player X has offered you Scrub Riffle for 10 iskies. Do you accept?
If you accept offer, you have 24 hours to send and receive the money/item. There would be a menu where all your offers and trades would be located. From there you just click on offer that you have accepted and select to send item/money.
If you reject you can do two things: Decline offer or compromise on new deal. For example:
Player Y has rejected your offer but has open a new deal of-
Scrub Riffle for 1 iskies.
Do you accept new offer?
If either party doesn't completes their offer they would lose trading ranking. Trade ranking would be a way to determine reliable customers and... F+ck this I'm getting carried away.
PIE
Lasers4life
"See these marks... Don't overheat your gun"
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Michael Arck
6218
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Posted - 2015.04.23 03:54:00 -
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Scamming in New Eden? Nooooooooo how dare CCP stick to New Eden's way of life?
Kleenex soft aloe tissue inbound.
Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah
*Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
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Juno Tristan
Obscure Reference
567
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Posted - 2015.04.23 03:56:00 -
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Clone D wrote:And another thing. Do you know how much effort will go into getting rid of all of our sh!t junk. We need to be able to post it and let the highest bidder take it home. Skulking around on the forums trying to find a buyer for some bs we picked up in a strongbox is a NOGO.
I will be accepting all advanced and above gear at competitive rates (compared to selling to npc), expect a post nearer the patch
ADS Ramming Revenge!
Plasma Cannon Rampage
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The Dark Cloud
The Rainbow Effect
4573
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Posted - 2015.04.23 03:57:00 -
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You better be gracefull that we at least get this. FW players actually have a reason to exist (they buy gear with LP and sell it for ISK), stuff you want to trade or have no usage for can actually find people who need it. I for example have hundreds of basic and advanced combat loadouts from salvage, the STD loadouts cost 10k ISK on the market but because im a nice guy i will only charge 5k ISK. Most fits are actually usable and the quality of the suit can help out newbies/broke players quite alot. If i sell for example 100 basic amarr combat loadouts for 5k ISK a pop it would only cost 500k ISK for people who dont really have the ISK.
Another niche is weapon/suits you get from strongboxes. Since allmost everything from a strongbox is a AUR variant it can be used sooner then a ISK equivalent. A common thing is the Allotek "pyrus" assault rifle, i have over 150 of those things and i plan on selling them in bulks of 50 or so.
Then there is the warbarge which can produce experimental/officer grade weapons and suits. Those will be pricy and a decent income if you either cant use the stuff or want something else in exchange. Like a officer AR for a officer scrambler rifle etc.
Im confident that there will be ingame chats and forum adds where people can put their offers. However the first days will be crazy and 200 posts which are about scaming will be spammed on the forum.
I make the scrubs scream and the vets cry.
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Happy Violentime
OMFGZOMBIESRUN
1085
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Posted - 2015.04.23 03:58:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:Clone D wrote:This dev blog explains that player trading will be implemented in it's simplest form: trust based trading. http://dust514.com/news/blog/2015/04/introducing-player-trading/Ratatti explains that you will send and item to someone and hopefully they will send you the negotiated trade item. WTF? CCP, why can't you do anything right? There is absolutely no accountability to that system whatsoever. People will scam each other until the system can no longer be used legitimately. Why not a brokered system, CCP? Was the programming too difficult? Sup wit dat? Use a vouched third party and pay them for their time. The really public ones will be placing their reputation on the line facilitating trades. Isk goes to third party, item goes to third party, item goes from third party to buyer, isk goes from third party to seller. If someone gets scammed by the third party 'report' it on the trade forum, people will call them out as a scammer should they show up again.
No one trade with Mina he/she/it is a scammer and a dirty snake in the grass.
There, just ruined your rep, best go and get all your ALTs and other ACCTS to lie about how you aren't. |
DUST Fiend
16538
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Posted - 2015.04.23 04:02:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Scamming in New Eden? Nooooooooo how dare CCP stick to New Eden's way of life?
Kleenex soft aloe tissue inbound.
New Edens way of life is to cleverly scam.
There's nothing clever about the current system.
Nothing.
"My bitter is showing. I must retreat to the berry patch."
STUFF
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STYLIE77
KILL-EM-QUICK
Rise Of Legion.
575
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Posted - 2015.04.23 04:08:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Scamming in New Eden? Nooooooooo how dare CCP stick to New Eden's way of life?
Kleenex soft aloe tissue inbound.
More like hundreds of calls to Sony Customer Service... 
http://caughtyouflinching.ytmnd.com/
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LOOKMOM NOHANDS
548
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Posted - 2015.04.23 04:09:00 -
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Vash Warren wrote:3rd party brokerage system. Like me. I will start up a system when PT come out.
Unfortunately 3rd party brokers are going to get screwed by the trade fee.
I really think that trade fees should have been reserved for an actual 2 way transaction not just "gifting" as we are going to have. |
nelo kazuma
THE LAST H0PE.
RUST415
98
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Posted - 2015.04.23 04:10:00 -
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Easy solution -_-
Step 1 make a chat invite fellow corp mates friendly who u play with and can trust n build a trust chat.
Step 2 if u dont feel like start chat follow rest of step one trust only people u know.
Step 3 recieve payment for 1 item at a time its one thing to lose isk but that can be remade easily gear nope. If their unwilling then dont even bother. Officer gear should never go for more than a mil at most suits aside. Not to mention tax is percentage based so doesnt matter if your trading a 100 or 1 tax is the same.
Step 4 id advise wait a week after release to see if glitches occur.
Step 5 when trading with random person always add them to watch list or block list if you for some reason get jipped in some way which shouldnt happen if previous steps followed |
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2015.04.23 04:14:00 -
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nelo kazuma wrote:Easy solution -_-
Step 1 make a chat invite fellow corp mates friendly who u play with and can trust n build a trust chat.
Step 2 if u dont feel like start chat follow rest of step one trust only people u know.
Step 3 recieve payment for 1 item at a time its one thing to lose isk but that can be remade easily gear nope. If their unwilling then dont even bother. Officer gear should never go for more than a mil at most suits aside. Not to mention tax is percentage based so doesnt matter if your trading a 100 or 1 tax is the same.
Step 4 id advise wait a week after release to see if glitches occur.
Step 5 when trading with random person always add them to watch list or block list if you for some reason get jipped in some way which shouldnt happen if previous steps followed
I think we have differing opinions on what the word 'easy' means 
"My bitter is showing. I must retreat to the berry patch."
STUFF
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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
2715
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Posted - 2015.04.23 05:29:00 -
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Happy Violentime wrote:MINA Longstrike wrote:Clone D wrote:This dev blog explains that player trading will be implemented in it's simplest form: trust based trading. http://dust514.com/news/blog/2015/04/introducing-player-trading/Ratatti explains that you will send and item to someone and hopefully they will send you the negotiated trade item. WTF? CCP, why can't you do anything right? There is absolutely no accountability to that system whatsoever. People will scam each other until the system can no longer be used legitimately. Why not a brokered system, CCP? Was the programming too difficult? Sup wit dat? Use a vouched third party and pay them for their time. The really public ones will be placing their reputation on the line facilitating trades. Isk goes to third party, item goes to third party, item goes from third party to buyer, isk goes from third party to seller. If someone gets scammed by the third party 'report' it on the trade forum, people will call them out as a scammer should they show up again. No one trade with Mina he/she/it is a scammer and a dirty snake in the grass. There, just ruined your rep, best go and get all your ALTs and other ACCTS to lie about how you aren't.
Cute, but generally a little more proof is required. And yes, drama will be had with a system like this.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
I have a few alts.
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Regis Blackbird
DUST University
Ivy League
769
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Posted - 2015.04.23 05:51:00 -
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Clone D wrote:This dev blog explains that player trading will be implemented in it's simplest form: trust based trading. http://dust514.com/news/blog/2015/04/introducing-player-trading/Ratatti explains that you will send and item to someone and hopefully they will send you the negotiated trade item. WTF? CCP, why can't you do anything right? There is absolutely no accountability to that system whatsoever. People will scam each other until the system can no longer be used legitimately. Why not a brokered system, CCP? Was the programming too difficult? Sup wit dat?
This is actually Agile development 101.
Small increments which gives value to the customer (us) which can be iterated upon based on feedback.
A trading (broker) system you propose would be useless without the technical ability to send an item to another player (harder than you think in New Eden).
Would you rather wait a long time to have everything, only to then discover the core mechanic was flawed? Or better yet, a re-prioritisation of other features during development which means you will never get it?
In case you are wondering, that is how they worked before CCP Rattati came aboard. Worked out really good, didn't it
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
5741
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Posted - 2015.04.23 11:26:00 -
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Clone D wrote:This dev blog explains that player trading will be implemented in it's simplest form: trust based trading. http://dust514.com/news/blog/2015/04/introducing-player-trading/Ratatti explains that you will send and item to someone and hopefully they will send you the negotiated trade item. WTF? CCP, why can't you do anything right? There is absolutely no accountability to that system whatsoever. People will scam each other until the system can no longer be used legitimately. Why not a brokered system, CCP? Was the programming too difficult? Sup wit dat?
Trust based trading is one of the most interesting ways to build a player market honestly. People ARE accountable. Every time someone does something scummy their reputation takes a hit. Also allows for third party brokers to be a thing.
Under a system of guarantees you can't have that kind of drama. Not as fun.
Of course, I've always been a fan of having contracts like EVE does, but with actual small print and difficult-to-understand wording. That makes the scamming even more fun.
Usually banned for being too awesome.
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Mex-0
592
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Posted - 2015.04.23 11:30:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Scamming in New Eden? Nooooooooo how dare CCP stick to New Eden's way of life?
Kleenex soft aloe tissue inbound.
'Quafe' Tissue G-1
BWAH
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hold that
Capital Acquisitions LLC
Bad Intention
784
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Posted - 2015.04.23 11:34:00 -
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i'll give you my cell phone number, in case you want to trade nude pics later  but for real though, i have an astronomical amount of officer weps, will sell 1 mil a piece. you send me the one mil, i send you the wep, i am 100% OG i guarantee it. |
Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
9597
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Posted - 2015.04.23 11:38:00 -
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Simple Player Trading is not the way I wanted to see trading implemented either. I would have preferred something similar to the contract system in Eve Online: Create contract X good for Y ISK > Send to a contact > Contact gets a notification > Reviews contract > If the terms are agreeable they accept > ISK is automatically deducted from contact's wallet and they get the item
When you create the contract there is also a small contract fee. I believe it is 10,000 ISK. This is mostly to prevent spamming contracts for griefing purposes.
That's a great deal more complicated, and more difficult to code, than the Simple Player Trading feature. The contract feature would be much better, but it would take the CCP Shanghai Dust dev team months of focused development to roll out.
We get this Simple Player Trading now and that opens up the ability to give some trusted folks the officer / experimental gear we don't use. CCP can try to iterate on the existing feature later.
@Ripley_Riley
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Infine Sentinel
Better Hide R Die
829
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Posted - 2015.04.23 12:04:00 -
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Clone D wrote:This dev blog explains that player trading will be implemented in it's simplest form: trust based trading. http://dust514.com/news/blog/2015/04/introducing-player-trading/Ratatti explains that you will send and item to someone and hopefully they will send you the negotiated trade item. WTF? CCP, why can't you do anything right? There is absolutely no accountability to that system whatsoever. People will scam each other until the system can no longer be used legitimately. Why not a brokered system, CCP? Was the programming too difficult? Sup wit dat?
I know! isn't awesome? (There is no sarcasm in this post)
Local forum Cannibal.
Creator Of The Lego Shoe Idea.
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Clone D
Solo Zen
1679
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Posted - 2015.04.23 12:08:00 -
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I think an auction system would prove most useful. Instead of having to hunt down buyers for my goods, I want to be able to post an auction item with a starting bid and a time limit, walk away and forget about it. In this way, market values would balance themselves, as buyers could peruse the auction for an item, sort by bid amount and try to get the cheapest deal, while demand would gradually drive up the price to market value.
If Dust had an API, I would build an integrated auction system myself. Currently, though, as trades are simply trust based, there's no way I would build a decoupled system to organize trading behavior. Anytime a business process that should be automated has not been automated and requires an undue amount of manual work, I will forgo that process. Hence, I won't be trading. |
Shamarskii Simon
The Hundred Acre Hood
Rise Of Legion.
361
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Posted - 2015.04.23 12:13:00 -
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Welcome to New Eden .
The ADS tourney! Join today!
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Mr Kane Spero
Spero Escrow Services
71
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Posted - 2015.04.23 12:23:00 -
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Spero Escrow Services will be happy to provide players with 3rd part trading services!
The serivces will be available for Dust and Eve ISK. We also offer currency exchanges as the oldest currency exchange in New Eden!
Send mail to Kane Spero to inquire about services. |
Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
9597
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Posted - 2015.04.23 12:35:00 -
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Clone D wrote:I think an auction system would prove most useful. Instead of having to hunt down buyers for my goods, I want to be able to post an auction item with a starting bid and a time limit, walk away and forget about it. In this way, market values would balance themselves, as buyers could peruse the auction for an item, sort by bid amount and try to get the cheapest deal, while demand would gradually drive up the price to market value. This is an amazing system. A lot of MMO's have an "auction house" or Eve market-like thing. I love it! CCP Shanghai should not implement it though. Too much time for too little return, as cool as it would be.
If they can add a few more staff to the Dust 514 dev team then we can talk about a realistic time frame for an auction system.
@Ripley_Riley
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DaNizzle4shizle
Titans of Phoenix
RUST415
1024
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Posted - 2015.04.23 12:44:00 -
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Clone D wrote:This dev blog explains that player trading will be implemented in it's simplest form: trust based trading. http://dust514.com/news/blog/2015/04/introducing-player-trading/Ratatti explains that you will send and item to someone and hopefully they will send you the negotiated trade item. WTF? CCP, why can't you do anything right? There is absolutely no accountability to that system whatsoever. People will scam each other until the system can no longer be used legitimately. Why not a brokered system, CCP? Was the programming too difficult? Sup wit dat?
Dude. Its part of the game. Scamming is a legitimate part of the game. just dont go being ******** and trading with people you don't trust. Welcome to the Eve Universe!
Desire means never quit.
LvL 1 Forum Warrior.
If it makes no sense in your head, it should make sense to me.
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Michael Arck
6220
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Posted - 2015.04.23 13:29:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Scamming in New Eden? Nooooooooo how dare CCP stick to New Eden's way of life?
Kleenex soft aloe tissue inbound. New Edens way of life is to cleverly scam. There's nothing clever about the current system. Nothing.
Cleverness has nothing to do with it. Its the root of scamming that does, which is abusing trust for gain. No need to convolute it just to have a argumentative point.
Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah
*Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
Learning Alliance
6370
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Posted - 2015.04.23 14:12:00 -
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Trust is a rare and valuable thing in New Eden.
Recently a DUST CEO asked my EVE character to hold his Corp shares for him, so that he could make an EVE character an officer in his Corp without worrying about that EVE character having access to Corp shares. That is, he gave me the ability to take his Corp away from him at any time, because he was confident that I would not do that.
Now that is trust!
Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
7166
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Posted - 2015.04.23 14:21:00 -
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Welcome to New Eden.
I'm sure even you could find crafty ways to get what you want... Trade smartly. Build up reputation. Own the market.
It's really not that hard. |
Terry Ronn
DUST BRASIL S.A
Rise Of Legion.
0
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Posted - 2015.04.23 14:24:00 -
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Forever ETC wrote:How I wished trading worked:
Player X has offered you Scrub Riffle for 10 iskies. Do you accept?
If you accept offer, you have 24 hours to send and receive the money/item. There would be a menu where all your offers and trades would be located. From there you just click on offer that you have accepted and select to send item/money.
If you reject you can do two things: Decline offer or compromise on new deal. For example:
Player Y has rejected your offer but has open a new deal of-
Scrub Riffle for 1 iskies.
Do you accept new offer?
If either party doesn't completes their offer they would lose trading ranking. Trade ranking would be a way to determine reliable customers and... F+ck this I'm getting carried away.
Yes, this would be better. |
PADDEHATPIGEN
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
174
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Posted - 2015.04.23 18:14:00 -
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A simple auction/marked where players can put there stuff up for sale at a price.
Or a simple trade box where 2 players can put items/isk and press accept.
Or both just like we have in EVE.
What part of New Eden is this ? I feel so isolated from the rest of it. |
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