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Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 10225	Posted - 2015.04.21 07:47:00 - [1] - Quote Hey, we are getting placeholder models for tanks right? Why not the same with sniper rifles? We already have the Roden Sniper Rifle. Roden is a Gallente Company. Roden is also the parent corp of Allotek Industries. Allotek as we know in this game make an equipment that is not too native to the Gallente, The Allotek Nanohive. It's not too far fetched at all for Gallente and Caldari to have some similarities, after all, Caldari was once a member of the Federation once upon a time. (Both can make use of Hybrid weapons) Anywho, I like the fact that Gallente Finally get a rail weapon. It didn't make sense that we didn't but can we get a Standard and ADV version of the Roden Sniper Rifle? Repaint it to the Appropriate Gallente colors? Do the same for Minmatar and Amarr as well. Minmatar Should have at least a model for their precision rifle but if not a placeholder can be used as well. I picture the Minmatar Sniper Rifle as more of a semi-automatic sniper rifle. It would have fast RoF and magsize with low recoil at the cost of damage and average range. The Amarr really need a Long Range Sniper as well. We could easily just take the Charge shot function of the Sniper Rifle, put some gold on it, change the projectile to a laser and voila, Amarr Sniper Rifle! But why stop there guys? We can have different warheads for swarms like I've mentioned here *As long as 5/6 (83%) of infantry AV weapons are Anti Armor based you're never going to achieve vehicle balance CCP*
Denchlad 7 Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback 2111	Posted - 2015.04.21 11:46:00 - [2] - Quote Considering the Allotek Mass Driver exists I'm behind this idea. +1 "Dench stop hitting your head you Caldari pinball" - m6 Dench's Emporium of Everything! coming soon...
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 2680	Posted - 2015.04.21 13:38:00 - [3] - Quote I disagree with this, largely because not every race 'needs' a sniper rifle, nor does it fit into their doctrine. A 'long range' weapon certainly, but this oprah style "EVERY RACE GETS A SNIPER, AND NEXT EVERY RACE GETS A SHOTGUN, LASER SHOTGUNS, LASER SNIPERS, PLASMA SNIPERS, RAIL SHOTGUNS!!!" is beyond **ing dumb. Skill into snipers if you want to use them, don't demand reskins for them. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.** I have a few alts.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 10230	Posted - 2015.04.21 13:49:00 - [4] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: I disagree with this, largely because not every race 'needs' a sniper rifle, nor does it fit into their doctrine. A 'long range' weapon certainly, but this oprah style "EVERY RACE GETS A SNIPER, AND NEXT EVERY RACE GETS A SHOTGUN, LASER SHOTGUNS, LASER SNIPERS, PLASMA SNIPERS, RAIL SHOTGUNS!!!" is beyond **ing dumb. Skill into snipers if you want to use them, don't demand reskins for them. You disagree with this largely because eve and that's not a reason. These are ground infantry. Show me a military anywhere that only specializes in 1 specific type of ranged warfare. And yes, every race needs a basic weapon that all races should have. I.e. Rifle, pistol, long range rifle, CQC weapon. Do so that is like me saying that the Caldari shouldn't have an SMG. Think behind that Caldari elitism mr. My race has literally everything in the game. As long as 5/6 (83%) of infantry AV weapons are Anti Armor based you're never going to achieve vehicle balance CCP**
Ku Shala PIanet Express Smart Deploy 1390	Posted - 2015.04.21 13:56:00 - [5] - Quote the real question is do we need snipers at all................ jk +1 bonus question is the laser rifle a sniper where does it fall in the game for category? *-¦a+ó a+ú-Æa+äla+ä (CK-0 Specialist x5)* Caldari Loyalist 22 230 780 sp in drop suit upgrades
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 10231	Posted - 2015.04.21 14:01:00 - [6] - Quote Ku Shala wrote: the real question is do we need snipers at all................ jk +1 bonus question is the laser rifle a sniper where does it fall in the game for category? From a long time ago I remember the Laser Rifle being put into the Special weapons category. The Devs mentioned that Plasma Cannons, Mass Drivers, and Laser Rifles are all specialist weapons that will be specific for that race only. Coincidentally all those weapons you'd usually find or at least would want to pair on a commando...so support/AV weapons special class. Other things like assault rifles (at the time we only had Gal and Amarr rifles) sniper rifles and pretty much any basic weapon that exist in the world today there will be racial variants for it "Soon" obviously not in their exact 1:1 form but giving the same function *As long as 5/6 (83%) of infantry AV weapons are Anti Armor based you're never going to achieve vehicle balance CCP*
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 2681	Posted - 2015.04.21 14:02:00 - [7] - Quote No, my reasoning isn't predicated upon 'because eve'. It's because things like 'laser shotgun' are beyond dumb and do nothing but present a horribly misinterpreted and narrow caricature of the respective races. I will certainly agree that other races need more things, but these things do not need to be so incredibly specific as '[damage type] [sniper]' as that narrows the view of what weapons could be quite considerably. For an example of what I feel the amarr smg or heavy weapon should be, look to something like the fusion rifle from destiny. As for what I feel the amarr 'shotgun' should be, I'd look more towards something like a doom style rocket launcher (representing khanid kingdom weaponry). I've also spoken at length on how I feel like a flaylock rifle would make an awesome minmatar weapon. If I had a good idea for a gallente 'smg' equivalent I'd happily post about it. But hey, let's just throw accusations that I'm biased because 'my race has everything' when I have four accounts and have at least some experience playing everything in the damn game. Lets stick with caricatures though kirk, I'm sure that it'd be easier for you. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 10231	Posted - 2015.04.21 14:21:00 - [8] - Quote But another Laser CQC weapon would be dumb? You know it is possible for translation? It is possible to have a take onto a certain weapon type. Take the bolt pistol, does it operate like a traditional pistol? No, its longer range and not too ideal for CQC combat when compared to the scrambler pistol. This doesn't automatically conclude that Bolt pistol is stupid and shouldn't exist. It's an example of this race needs a pistol, how does the races characteristics translate into this specific type of weapon. Second over, I never said laser shotgun because I understand how that may conflict with them, you just threw out a straw man as you usually do. But, however, l will humor you on that. laser Shotgun, could be more like a slug shotgun with a charged focused array that's wider than usual but still precise and short range. Whatever it may be, a shotgun based laser would be more precise than the ideal shotgun but just as deadly. Whatever it may be, a AV based laser weapon will be bases on precision and damage. Etc. Etc. You know why? Because its that races traits transformed into a weapon that has to fill a basic need. And not to burst your bubble, you know how the AR was the first rifle? You know how many variants there are? Do you know why there were so many variants in the first place? To give you am idea of what other weapons might come in the future for the others. Oh, it's like that for damn near all of the original weapons, sniper rifles included. And, well wont you look at that. Caldari have a Nova Knife, according to you that's stupid and takes away from the races "caricature". Lets take out that nova knife and give it to Minmatar then because that's something they'd do right? *As long as 5/6 (83%) of infantry AV weapons are Anti Armor based you're never going to achieve vehicle balance CCP*
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 10231	Posted - 2015.04.21 14:32:00 - [9] - Quote P.S. To last post. Second of all, you are literally arguing over semantics Mina as always. Sniper meant, long range weapon obviously and I thought it would be obvious that it would have its own functions and traits as I mentioned with the Minmatar Precision rifle "which was a confirmed weapon to be releases before ** hit the fan. You went straight for "LASER SHOTGUNS OHH NOES!" "Repainted Gallente Shotgun with the same exact function but different damage profiles would be baaaad" No it would be a bad idea. As long as 5/6 (83%) of infantry AV weapons are Anti Armor based you're never going to achieve vehicle balance CCP**
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 19350	Posted - 2015.04.21 16:21:00 - [10] - Quote hmm Splitting weapon classes is a real question of to do or not. Right now current designs dictate they must be split apart. From a far distance a sniper still looks like a sniper regardless of race it is;the only notable difference if the projectiles they spew behave different such as the laser beam for amarrians or tank shell for minmatar or the likes. There is also to note we cannot always apply thsi for everhting some thigns needs new fuctions to meet some of the intended designs and there is the whole question can we get weapons like the HMG model to spew lasers? I can safely assume atm we can get projectile spewers to swap projectiles that are spewed (ie mass driver could fire forge shots instead) CPM 1, Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= ADV HAVs =// Unlocked

MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 2684	Posted - 2015.04.21 23:14:00 - [11] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: P.S. To last post. Second of all, you are literally arguing over semantics Mina as always. Sniper meant, long range weapon obviously and I thought it would be obvious that it would have its own functions and traits as I mentioned with the Minmatar Precision rifle "which was a confirmed weapon to be releases before ** hit the fan. You went straight for "LASER SHOTGUNS OHH NOES!" "Repainted Gallente Shotgun with the same exact function but different damage profiles would be baaaad" No it would be a bad idea. If I'm arguing semantics it's because of how you've failed to describe things kirk. I'm not even going to attempt to address most of what you've said because it's pretty clear you weren't actually reading what I've said. Even your description can be summarized as 'well they'd use lasers for EVERYTHING' portrays just the kind of misunderstood caricature that I'm concerned about. "Laser av" "Laser [x]" "Laser [y]" "big laser that does [z]", there is significantly more breadth and depth to the amarr than 'hurr durr lasers!", same thing for minmatar who I actually feel have the most healthy weapons from a design sense. The caldari and gallente both very-much suffer from rail/plasma x, y, big rail/plasma z, the only redeeming factors for the caldari being swarms / missiles And if you want to talk about strawmanning kirk, when have I ever called the nova knife stupid or claimed that it presents a misunderstood interpretation of caldari weaponry or people? Oh right I haven't, you tried to put those words in my mouth. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.** I have a few alts.
Scheneighnay McBob And the ButtPirates 6150	Posted - 2015.04.21 23:41:00 - [12] - Quote The only sniper rifle we don't have right now is the minmatar one. Gallente have the tactical AR, amarr have the Laser rifle. Don't give me the range argument, because the current caldari sniper rifles have the range of an M-16. Some details can be ignored
Alena Ventrallis Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback 3027	Posted - 2015.04.22 00:20:00 - [13] - Quote This coming from the guy who doesn't want Caldari to have the needle in their LP store. I doubt we will get these, but making kills from range is the Caldari philosophy. Gallente are about getting in close and spraying plasma everywhere. But it would make sense for the Gallente, and all the races for that matter, to have some form of overwatch weaponry. Perhaps we could turn the TacAR into something similar. But as for a dedicated sniper, that's the Caldari area of expertise. Whirly gun make much thunder! - Victor
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 18421	Posted - 2015.04.22 00:30:00 - [14] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: I disagree with this, largely because not every race 'needs' a sniper rifle, nor does it fit into their doctrine. A 'long range' weapon certainly, but this oprah style "EVERY RACE GETS A SNIPER, AND NEXT EVERY RACE GETS A SHOTGUN, LASER SHOTGUNS, LASER SNIPERS, PLASMA SNIPERS, RAIL SHOTGUNS!!!" is beyond ****ing dumb. Skill into snipers if you want to use them, don't demand reskins for them. Confirmation Caldari never should have had half the content they do. GÇ£That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die.GÇ¥ -The Nameless City
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 18421	Posted - 2015.04.22 00:34:00 - [15] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: This coming from the guy who doesn't want Caldari to have the needle in their LP store. I doubt we will get these, but making kills from range is the Caldari philosophy. Gallente are about getting in close and spraying plasma everywhere. But it would make sense for the Gallente, and all the races for that matter, to have some form of overwatch weaponry. Perhaps we could turn the TacAR into something similar. But as for a dedicated sniper, that's the Caldari area of expertise. Dunno about that. Gallente can use Hybrid Railgun weapons in a very similar manner to the Caldari since they were the ones who invented and gave the tech to the Caldari. GÇ£That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die.GÇ¥ -The Nameless City
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 10242	Posted - 2015.04.22 03:45:00 - [16] - Quote Alena, the only reason I have a Problem with Nanites being Caldari is that they were heavily hinted to be Gallente in the beginning. The prefitted Gallente suits came with Nanites usually and the Caldari with a nanohive. That and the damn thing I stylized in Gallente fashion. That's like calling the Amarr suit Minmatar MINA that's me using your logic against you. Not strawmanning. As even True Adamance mocked you about your logic. By your frame of mind you'd be missing a decent chunk of weapons. *As long as 5/6 (83%) of infantry AV weapons are Anti Armor based you're never going to achieve vehicle balance CCP*
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 18430	Posted - 2015.04.22 03:47:00 - [17] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Alena, the only reason I have a Problem with Nanites being Caldari is that they were heavily hinted to be Gallente in the beginning. The prefitted Gallente suits came with Nanites usually and the Caldari with a nanohive. MINA that's me using your logic against you. Not strawmanning. As even True Adamance mocked you about your logic. By your frame of mind you'd be missing a decent chunk of weapons. Hey don't bring me into this. I just don't really like the Caldari....at all. It doesn't help their case they currently also have the most content in the game and still find things to complain about. GÇ£That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die.GÇ¥ -The Nameless City
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 10245	Posted - 2015.04.22 03:54:00 - [18] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Alena, the only reason I have a Problem with Nanites being Caldari is that they were heavily hinted to be Gallente in the beginning. The prefitted Gallente suits came with Nanites usually and the Caldari with a nanohive. MINA that's me using your logic against you. Not strawmanning. As even True Adamance mocked you about your logic. By your frame of mind you'd be missing a decent chunk of weapons. Hey don't bring me into this. I just don't really like the Caldari....at all. It doesn't help their case they currently also have the most content in the game and still find things to complain about. Well after being handed everything to them for so long by dear dad and then cut cold turkey like that has to leave them a little bitter. *As long as 5/6 (83%) of infantry AV weapons are Anti Armor based you're never going to achieve vehicle balance CCP*
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 2685	Posted - 2015.04.22 03:56:00 - [19] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Alena, the only reason I have a Problem with Nanites being Caldari is that they were heavily hinted to be Gallente in the beginning. The prefitted Gallente suits came with Nanites usually and the Caldari with a nanohive. That and the damn thing I stylized in Gallente fashion. That's like calling the Amarr suit Minmatar MINA that's me using your logic against you. Not strawmanning. As even True Adamance mocked you about your logic. By your frame of mind you'd be missing a decent chunk of weapons. I don't have any problems admitting that I dislike the caldari lineup of 'small rail, small rail, medium rail, long range rail, and huge rail', to me one of the only redeeming features to it is that there is a swarm launcher, that highlights use of missiles. I personally believe that the only 'parity' between races should be pistol, 'smg', rifle, light 'av', heavy 'av', and heavy 'ai'... anything beyond that should be their own flavor of special weapon aka, there does not need to be 'sniper' parity but each race should have a long range weapon option. There does not need to be 'shotgun' parity but each range should have a 'close range' option (relative to their race). The idea of 'shotgun' parity with pepperbox rails / lasers to me is beyond daft and those are the exact ideas you give people with '[racial] shotgun'. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 10245	Posted - 2015.04.22 03:58:00 - [20] - Quote Read post 8 and 9 since you didn't get it in the first post. *As long as 5/6 (83%) of infantry AV weapons are Anti Armor based you're never going to achieve vehicle balance CCP*

Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6001	Posted - 2015.04.22 04:13:00 - [21] - Quote Hmmm the whole Roden thing aside, I have to ask....do we really need a racial sniper rifle? I mean in a way one could argue that the existing Charge Sniper follows an Amarr flavor with its charge shot mechanic, and the Tactical Sniper follows a more Minmatar flavor with its low damage, high RoF. "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast & Blog www.biomassed.net
Alena Ventrallis Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback 3028	Posted - 2015.04.22 04:20:00 - [22] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Alena, the only reason I have a Problem with Nanites being Caldari is that they were heavily hinted to be Gallente in the beginning. The prefitted Gallente suits came with Nanites usually and the Caldari with a nanohive. That and the damn thing I stylized in Gallente fashion. That's like calling the Amarr suit Minmatar But I still would argue that Gallente wouldn't really make a dedicated sniper, but they would definitely see the use in a Designated Marksman Rifle. Perhaps it fires superheated plasma out to about 150m and does a button of damage. Plasma Lance or something. Whirly gun make much thunder! - Victor
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 10245	Posted - 2015.04.22 04:29:00 - [23] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Alena, the only reason I have a Problem with Nanites being Caldari is that they were heavily hinted to be Gallente in the beginning. The prefitted Gallente suits came with Nanites usually and the Caldari with a nanohive. That and the damn thing I stylized in Gallente fashion. That's like calling the Amarr suit Minmatar But I still would argue that Gallente wouldn't really make a dedicated sniper, but they would definitely see the use in a Designated Marksman Rifle. Perhaps it fires superheated plasma out to about 150m and does a button of damage. Plasma Lance or something. Gallente use Hybrid Weapons Gallente use Railguns The lack of EVE knowledge thanks to early CCP mistakes has caused people to think that Gallente don't use Railguns. We were the ones who invented the damn things. *As long as 5/6 (83%) of infantry AV weapons are Anti Armor based you're never going to achieve vehicle balance CCP*
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 18436	Posted - 2015.04.22 04:29:00 - [24] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Alena, the only reason I have a Problem with Nanites being Caldari is that they were heavily hinted to be Gallente in the beginning. The prefitted Gallente suits came with Nanites usually and the Caldari with a nanohive. That and the damn thing I stylized in Gallente fashion. That's like calling the Amarr suit Minmatar But I still would argue that Gallente wouldn't really make a dedicated sniper, but they would definitely see the use in a Designated Marksman Rifle. Perhaps it fires superheated plasma out to about 150m and does a button of damage. Plasma Lance or something. The Gallente created the Railgun as New Eden knows it......why would they not develop their own variation of a weapon they themselves developed? Perhaps the Gallente employ improved Null Thorium Charges that deploy a powerful charged ion/electron/blaster rounds over long distances or perhaps the Gallente use Spike Rounds that use a micro-gravitron detonator to send scathing burst of flechettes against their targets? GÇ£That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die.GÇ¥ -The Nameless City
Godin Thekiller Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 3120	Posted - 2015.04.22 05:07:00 - [25] - Quote I don't see the point in making a bunch of new snipers, especially for Gallente as you pointed out. At the most, a Winmatar bolt action AMR, for a very high alpha low ROF weapon platform (aka a arty), but a Gal or Amarr one doesn't really make sense. click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 18449	Posted - 2015.04.23 01:28:00 - [26] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: I don't see the point in making a bunch of new snipers, especially for Gallente as you pointed out. At the most, a Winmatar bolt action AMR, for a very high alpha low ROF weapon platform (aka a arty), but a Gal or Amarr one doesn't really make sense. Why not. Try a Focused Anode Particle Stream that fires an electro-laser of such intensity that it literally overloads shield, electronic, and clone nervous systems. GÇ£That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die.GÇ¥ -The Nameless City


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