How many of you use proxy mines?

I have one dedicated fit with adv and pro proxy and an hive (the hive will go when they will mutiply pro).
I like setting traps, but it's not much rewarding for various reasons:
1) It takes time to drop all those proxy
2) Effective only in narrow pathways
3) Damage of a single proxy is kinda meh

My suggestion to solve point 1 is to let us drop proxy at group of 2-3 at 2 or 3 meters one from the other.
To solve point 2 and 3 it would be cool if explosion could influence each other like in FW.

In this way proxy would be an effective way to block paths.

In FW.
In Pub where FF is not on you can't do it, except with vehicles explosion, it's the only FF in pub.

The last time i've tried, in pub, proxy explosion did not trigger RE explosion so you have to manually detonate RE.

Interesting notion, having both X and Y awarded regardless of the win but having the win define the magnitude of X and Y would at least mitigate the snowball effect. Also worth noting is that X and Y do not have to be the same raw % value so the losing side could get a bit of consideration with regards to the X% loss value that's being assessed for them.

Fake example numbers:

Winning team gets 30% gear losses & 30% kills added to their (already higher) payout.
Losing team gets 25% gear losses % 20% kills added to their payout.


In this case the X% from personal losses is valuable to both the slayers and support roles because if you're behind in a battle you're generally more likely to lose the fits you deploy in (as I'm sure we've all seen). Even with the new system applied to both winners and losers of the battle it's not going to guarantee everyone is profitable, and it shouldn't or we lose the meaning of economic value, but what it would do is a slayer who's going 21/5 on the losing side is a lot more likely to break even or make a profit (fighting hard incentivized) and a support role who's doing a lot of work is also more likely to break even or at least come close with the combination of high WP earnings and X% personal losses refunded.

Both of those presume the player in question is actively fulfilling their role so afk type behavior (i.e. non-participation) wouldn't reap additional benefits.

Further thoughts?

Not saying that I disagree per se, but will you walk that one through for me. The better step by step reasoning there is to present the better the case can be made. And if there are flaw with the stance more useful to figure them out and find ways to address them here than in the main thread IMO. If we can collectively put our heads together and come up with something a bit more polished for the other thread that seems more effective (besides if anyone really wants to see the rough back and forth it'll still be here to look at).

An early/undeveloped idea on Isk changes; spitballing first with you ... please shoot holes in this :-)

Solution: Keep what you kill.
Problem: Logis often aren't focused on killing; they're also disproportionately expensive.
Observation: Rep Logis typically top EOM WP leaderboards.
Thought: Could also adjust EOM WP-based pay, but that would only benefit Rep Logis.
Idea: Let all Logis become Rep Logis.
How: Set MN Logi bonus as a class bonus; give MN Logi a new bonus to Proxies & Remotes.
Thought: Logis are still too expensive; reduce frame cost and EQ prices by 50%.

Revised Solution:
* Keep what you kill.
* Set MN Logi bonus as a class bonus
* Give MN Logi a new bonus to Proxies & Remotes
* Reduce Logi frame prices by 50%
* Reduce Equipment prices by 50%

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Again, only spitballing. Thoughts?

Keep what you kill
- No. This only rewards assaults and heavies and effectively penalizes all roles that are not slayers - not just logis, but scouts, hackers, intelligent specialists... And what about AVers? Do they keep the tanks they kill? The solution is to normalize the high water marks for each specially so that every role gets rewarded fairly for their contributions.

Set MN Logi bonus as a class bonus
- No. Fix the other Logi bonuses.

Give MN Logi a new bonus to Proxies & Remotes
- No. Follows the above point.

Reduce Logi frame prices by 50%
- Sounds good. (I'd settle for a 25% reduction.)

Reduce Equipment prices by 50%
- Abso-freakin-lutely! And increase the Logi class equipment CPU/PG bonus another 10%-15% as well.

To summarize, once the payout rewards are normalized to be more fair across each role, the newly suggested loss mitigation bonuses can be added to reward (or, at least, minimize the losses for) individuals who use better gear and/or make an effort throughout the entire match.

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I like the way you guys are thinking, just one issue

first I agree with the equipment price reduction, but disagree with the frame; the reason being why should it be less than all the others without some other detriment to using it?

sentinels and commandos are priced the same, so why should logis cost more than assaults?

would scouts be priced more than pilots(if they were implemented)?

if so why?

and would that reason apply to the logi?

TL;DR: why should the logi be priced more than the assault?

Also, thanks for shooting holes in that idea, gents. Makes good sense. Much appreciated!

thanks for clarifying.

I can understand that, but how many others will?

I mean take an assault who runs a lets say 100k suit, and earns somewhere around 1k wp per battle,iirc thats 190-200k isk per match.

if you were him, would you get irritated by a logi running the same cost suit and getting 2-3k wp per battle and almost twice the isk?

I find it rather irritating that being a logi means more often than not going negative isk wise, but I also know why I do.

not to say I would mind a price reduction, but fair warning GD will be filled with enough tears to fill a swimming pool.

but to hell with it I wouldn't mind being rich for once.

I'm not sure I agree.

Having a 'keep what you kill' system incentivises hunting down, for example, Thale's snipers - something which certainly should be incentivised. There's no reason that you shouldn't be able to salvage parts off tanks, either - you can salvage them in PC, after all.

Earning potentials can be kept fair by having support roles with a higher WP earning potential than slayer classes, as then they get a larger portion of the ISK cut.

Logistics already naturally tend to achieve this, but more can be done to aid support classes in earning WP. Intel kill assists for passive scans, for instance (where the strongest passive scanner on the target gets the points). That's just spitballing a random idea, so don't get too hung up on that though.