DUST Search - Anyone Else Feel Like Matchmaking Isn't All That Fair?

Duke Noobiam wrote:

PADDEHATPIGEN wrote:

I play mostly solo to and it seems like solo players have become cannon fodder.
I played FW all day yestoday and lost ALL battles, Scotty keeps putting me on a looser team.

I honestly think I could have made more LP without this crap event as I got put on the loosing side 99% off all battles I joined no matter what side I joined so this 50% bonus really did nothing for me. Amar sentinel amar assault scrambler rifle rail rifle 100% needles cal scout specialist uplinks....

In all I made about 60.000 LP at 300-500 LP. Per. Battle. And I have 2 boosters stagged.
I got absolutely no standing level gain anywhere and that sucks even more.
I usually get more wins then losses so I feel like I would had made a lot more without this crap event.

The only thing we solo players did was help the proto stompers get the new LP stuff and more state gear to stomp players with.

I'm started to think about just quitting this game a lot this week.

To understand why this happened to you, you need to understand how factional warfare works.

- Minmatar always fight Amar (and vice versa). A win for one will gain you standings for them (+75) and lower standings for the other (-15)

- Galente always fight Caldari (and vice versa). A win for one will gain you standings for them (+75) and lower standings for the other (-15)

- There is no matchmaking in FW based on Mu.

- More players and particularly more veterans fight for either the Minmatar and Galente factions exclusively.
- It is generally accepted that the reason for this is that the items available in their factional stores are better than those offered in the Amar and Caldari factional stores.
- This is why wait times for these factions are much longer than for Caldari or Amar. More players playing for them means longer wait times as you are waiting for players to join for the Amar and Caldari factions.

- New players who play factional warfare usually have all factions selected. This means that they will be disproportionately contracted to fight for the Amar and Caldari factions as these usually require players to match up with the higher numbers who have selected Minmatar and/or Galente. The end result of this is that on average you will have more beginners on your team if you fight for Amar and/or Caldari.

- Currently, if you want to win in FW you should...
- Fight for Minmatar or Galente if you are playing solo.
- Create a squad of veterans (or two and Queue Synch) if you want to play for Amar or Caldari.

Hope this helps.

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Summa Militum TotalAscendancy 378	Posted - 2015.04.15 16:28:00 - [1] - Quote Since the new matchmaking was implemented this game has been been ruined for me. I love the challenge that comes with constantly playing against a team that has good players on it but it sucks when I am playing against the exact same players every match. I am starting to question how fair the matchmaking is. I used to win more matches than I lose but now my team rarely wins matches. I don't understand why I am being placed on the losing side 95% of the time. It also sucks to have to wait 5 minutes to join a match just to be thrown into a match that is already in progress. I once waited 10 minutes to join an Ambush match just to be thrown into the "Victory screen" indicating the match was over. I don't understand why the new matchmaking has ruined the game for some of us but is benefiting others greatly. This isn't fair.
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 1048	Posted - 2015.04.15 16:31:00 - [2] - Quote What's ambush? Haven't seen an ambush since 'matchmaking' happened :(
Summa Militum TotalAscendancy 378	Posted - 2015.04.15 16:45:00 - [3] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: What's ambush? Haven't seen an ambush since 'matchmaking' happened :( Exactly! I have tried adding Domination to my match lineup but it always ends horribly. It's either the same situation where I wait a long time just to be thrown onto the losing side of a match in progress or I will be lucky enough to start a new match right from the start but unlucky enough to be placed on a team where half my teammates quit within 2 minutes of the match starting. As a solo player Ambush was my go-to game mode. With me playing on the American servers I never had an issue getting into an Ambush match until now.
Ahkhomi Cypher Opus Arcana 795	Posted - 2015.04.15 16:48:00 - [4] - Quote Had a 5 man squad for a few hours before downtime and couldn't find 1 skirmish game. That's bullshit. No Skill Required
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 9426	Posted - 2015.04.15 16:53:00 - [5] - Quote Growing pains of matchmaking is better than what we had. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Summa Militum TotalAscendancy 378	Posted - 2015.04.15 16:55:00 - [6] - Quote Ahkhomi Cypher wrote: Had a 5 man squad for a few hours before downtime and couldn't find 1 skirmish game. That's bullshit. Where did the matches go? Getting into a match used to never be an issue except for FW matches. I doubt the playerbase dropped after the new matchmaking to such a degree to justify the lack of matches and players to compete against. As I type this I am hitting the 7 minute wait time to join an Ambush match on the American server region; estimated wait time was 27 seconds. WTF?
Regis Blackbird DUST University Ivy League 739	Posted - 2015.04.15 16:58:00 - [7] - Quote Probably this https://twitter.com/dust514_status/status/588382709921136641
Flint Beastgood III GunFall Mobilization 1618	Posted - 2015.04.15 17:04:00 - [8] - Quote Ahkhomi Cypher wrote: Had a 5 man squad for a few hours before downtime and couldn't find 1 skirmish game. That's bullshit. Skirmish has been pretty much non-existent to me since way before the new matchmaking. If I queue skirmish and domination, ~80% would be DOM. More people play DOM I guess, for whatever reasons. If I want to play skirmish exclusively I have to suffer 5min+ waits every queue. Rare Item Trades
Ahkhomi Cypher Opus Arcana 796	Posted - 2015.04.15 17:06:00 - [9] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: Ahkhomi Cypher wrote: Had a 5 man squad for a few hours before downtime and couldn't find 1 skirmish game. That's bullshit. Where did the matches go? Getting into a match used to never be an issue except for FW matches. I doubt the playerbase dropped after the new matchmaking to such a degree to justify the lack of matches and players to compete against. As I type this I am hitting the 7 minute wait time to join an Ambush match on the American server region; estimated wait time was 27 seconds. WTF? Same number of players. Its just now the playerbase is split into high and low tier. That along with what server and gamemode is chosen really shrinks the pool of available opponents for you. And ppl still running faction because of the event. No Skill Required
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 3371	Posted - 2015.04.15 17:09:00 - [10] - Quote Well it can be annoying but if I manage to finish the match with double the kills and or warpoints of the 2nd placer on my team then I feel chuffed with myself for doing comparatively well. Happens more often than it should when I play solo! Vitantur Nothus wrote: Why hide a solution under frothy pile of derpa? SCV Ready!

Vesta Opalus Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 608	Posted - 2015.04.15 17:22:00 - [11] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: Since the new matchmaking was implemented this game has been been ruined for me. I love the challenge that comes with constantly playing against a team that has good players on it but it sucks when I am playing against the exact same players every match. I am starting to question how fair the matchmaking is. I used to win more matches than I lose but now my team rarely wins matches. I don't understand why I am being placed on the losing side 95% of the time. It also sucks to have to wait 5 minutes to join a match just to be thrown into a match that is already in progress. I once waited 10 minutes to join an Ambush match just to be thrown into the "Victory screen" indicating the match was over. I don't understand why the new matchmaking has ruined the game for some of us but is benefiting others greatly. This isn't fair. I think the new matchmaking is great, except that it seems to have a serious problem filling up domination games. I've just been playing ambush mostly, where it actually works very well.
DozersMouse XIII Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback 1026	Posted - 2015.04.15 17:23:00 - [12] - Quote Lolmatchmaking has the player numbers plummeting. How can ccp introduce a matchmaking change and say they're collecting data for tweaks then run a faction lp event? Fw doesent implement the new matchmaking lol Shotgun me once, shame on me Shotgun me twice, scans on you
Vesta Opalus Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 608	Posted - 2015.04.15 17:24:00 - [13] - Quote Flint Beastgood III wrote: Ahkhomi Cypher wrote: Had a 5 man squad for a few hours before downtime and couldn't find 1 skirmish game. That's bullshit. Skirmish has been pretty much non-existent to me since way before the new matchmaking. If I queue skirmish and domination, ~80% would be DOM. More people play DOM I guess, for whatever reasons. If I want to play skirmish exclusively I have to suffer 5min+ waits every queue. Because nobody wants to play a game mode where 90% of the fighting is someone ambushing you or you ambushing them with a bunch of super spread out points where you have to constantly dodge assholes in vehicles every time you want to move from one to the other. Thats why I dont play it, anyway. Which is too bad because that new MCC drydock is really fun and has none of the problems above.
SHADOWBlood ASSASSIN The Hundred Acre Hood Rise Of Legion. 26	Posted - 2015.04.15 17:27:00 - [14] - Quote Matchmaking sucks. I am constantly forced to run APEX and go 3/13 in matches because it's 6 vs. 16 FIX IT RATTATI Logi WP record 7777 Warpoints Logi fit ~ Six Kin Triage Reps, Wiyrkomi Needle, MK.0 Logi Who needs anything else?
Scheneighnay McBob Cult of Gasai 6037	Posted - 2015.04.15 17:29:00 - [15] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: What's ambush? Haven't seen an ambush since 'matchmaking' happened :( good riddance Some details can be ignored
PADDEHATPIGEN BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 154	Posted - 2015.04.15 17:33:00 - [16] - Quote I play mostly solo to and it seems like solo players have become cannon fodder. I played FW all day yestoday and lost ALL battles, Scotty keeps putting me on a looser team. I honestly think I could have made more LP without this crap event as I got put on the loosing side 99% off all battles I joined no matter what side I joined so this 50% bonus really did nothing for me. In all I made about 60.000 LP at 300-500 LP. Per. Battle. And I have 2 boosters stagged. I got absolutely no standing level gain anywhere and that sucks even more. I usually get more wins then losses so I feel like I would had made a lot more without this crap event. The only thing we solo players did was help the proto stompers get the new LP stuff and more state gear to stomp players with. I'm started to think about just quitting this game a lot this week.
Duke Noobiam D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 410	Posted - 2015.04.15 18:48:00 - [17] - Quote PADDEHATPIGEN wrote: I play mostly solo to and it seems like solo players have become cannon fodder. I played FW all day yestoday and lost ALL battles, Scotty keeps putting me on a looser team. I honestly think I could have made more LP without this crap event as I got put on the loosing side 99% off all battles I joined no matter what side I joined so this 50% bonus really did nothing for me. In all I made about 60.000 LP at 300-500 LP. Per. Battle. And I have 2 boosters stagged. I got absolutely no standing level gain anywhere and that sucks even more. I usually get more wins then losses so I feel like I would had made a lot more without this crap event. The only thing we solo players did was help the proto stompers get the new LP stuff and more state gear to stomp players with. I'm started to think about just quitting this game a lot this week. To understand why this happened to you, you need to understand how factional warfare works. - Minmatar always fight Amar (and vice versa). A win for one will gain you standings for them (+75) and lower standings for the other (-15) - Galente always fight Caldari (and vice versa). A win for one will gain you standings for them (+75) and lower standings for the other (-15) - There is no matchmaking in FW based on Mu. - More players and particularly more veterans fight for either the Minmatar and Galente factions exclusively. - It is generally accepted that the reason for this is that the items available in their factional stores are better than those offered in the Amar and Caldari factional stores. - This is why wait times for these factions are much longer than for Caldari or Amar. More players playing for them means longer wait times as you are waiting for players to join for the Amar and Caldari factions. - New players who play factional warfare usually have all factions selected. This means that they will be disproportionately contracted to fight for the Amar and Caldari factions as these usually require players to match up with the higher numbers who have selected Minmatar and/or Galente. The end result of this is that on average you will have more beginners on your team if you fight for Amar and/or Caldari. - Currently, if you want to win in FW you should... - Fight for Minmatar or Galente if you are playing solo. - Create a squad of veterans (or two and Queue Synch) if you want to play for Amar or Caldari. Hope this helps.
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 1051	Posted - 2015.04.15 21:26:00 - [18] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Happy Violentime wrote: What's ambush? Haven't seen an ambush since 'matchmaking' happened :( good riddance You don't like ambush? I generally find most with no gun game don't.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 8768	Posted - 2015.04.15 21:37:00 - [19] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: It also sucks ... Also had a bad experience trying to play Ambush this morning. 5-10 minute waits followed by matches with/against the same 30-40 players. The same names, the same tactics, the same FoTM spam, match after match after match. Quality seems to have improved as of about an hour ago. I assume that more players are online now. I suspect that low headcounts and the FW Event are more to blame than Scotty 2.0 for Ambush's recent quality drop. I hope that quality is restored once this FW event is over. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 18263	Posted - 2015.04.15 22:47:00 - [20] - Quote I tried to make a new character yesterday and gave up. I get CCP want's to discourage veterans entering the battle academy and stomping new players and I am for that......but how can I make a new character without relying on months of passive SP accrual? That match I was put into saw three enemy HAV, one of which was a Gv.0 with Ion Cannon, and a fair number of prototype weapons vs my 500k SP toon without a racial combat suit and a ******* GEK rifle. Wouldn't be such an issue if I could field a suit with Core Skills and basic dropsuit modules but the new character couldn't even do that......and this still does not prevent players from getting around these limitations and entering battle academy to kill newbros. GÇ£That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die.GÇ¥ -The Nameless City

Flint Beastgood III GunFall Mobilization 1628	Posted - 2015.04.16 00:16:00 - [21] - Quote For the first week, matchmaking was great (upper tier). Now it seems that every single pub game is onesided. I dunnow hat happened. Maybe they tweaked it further. I also absolutely hate the new scotty bugs it brought with it that have everybody thinking people are voluntarily leaving battles and thus asking for a punishment system ... facepalm. 'LR4-Trading' Protester
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1632	Posted - 2015.04.16 01:03:00 - [22] - Quote Matchmaking has me really confused. I have a 45 million alt and an 8 million alt., I play against the same players on both my alts., even though my low SP alt. has a W/L ratio below .5 and about .3 weekly. What has me even more confused is my KDR and game experience on my low SP alt is considerably higher. When I say I play the same players I am not just guessing they are the same tier, I mean the exact same players. Because, that's why.
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1632	Posted - 2015.04.16 01:09:00 - [23] - Quote Flint Beastgood III wrote: For the first week, matchmaking was great (upper tier). Now it seems that every single pub game is onesided. I dunnow hat happened. Maybe they tweaked it further. I also absolutely hate the new scotty bugs it brought with it that have everybody thinking people are voluntarily leaving battles and thus asking for a punishment system ... facepalm. I noticed this as well and wondered if player behavior or matchmaking changed. People are jerks, I've seen some vets leaving battles they are stomping in right at the last second. Too many and too consistently to be DC's. I think they are trying to manipulate their MU to get easy games. I don't know if it works but it shows just how douchey people can be. Because, that's why.
Summa Militum TotalAscendancy 379	Posted - 2015.04.16 04:55:00 - [24] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: Summa Militum wrote: Since the new matchmaking was implemented this game has been been ruined for me. I love the challenge that comes with constantly playing against a team that has good players on it but it sucks when I am playing against the exact same players every match. I am starting to question how fair the matchmaking is. I used to win more matches than I lose but now my team rarely wins matches. I don't understand why I am being placed on the losing side 95% of the time. It also sucks to have to wait 5 minutes to join a match just to be thrown into a match that is already in progress. I once waited 10 minutes to join an Ambush match just to be thrown into the "Victory screen" indicating the match was over. I don't understand why the new matchmaking has ruined the game for some of us but is benefiting others greatly. This isn't fair. I think the new matchmaking is great, except that it seems to have a serious problem filling up domination games. I've just been playing ambush mostly, where it actually works very well. How long does it take you to get into a match? Are you able to play against many different people or pretty much the same people? For me over half of my team and the enemy team are the exact same people in every match. I play against some person named Spartamus from the Carne Con Papas Corp. in just about every Ambush match I play.
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 3498	Posted - 2015.04.16 05:04:00 - [25] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Happy Violentime wrote: What's ambush? Haven't seen an ambush since 'matchmaking' happened :( good riddance You don't like ambush? I generally find most with no ~~gun game~~ aim assist, team scans, proto, and squad don't. FTFY Shotguns are made of a Scandium-Ruthenium-Boron enhanced alloy First to PM me with common name wins
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 782	Posted - 2015.04.16 07:38:00 - [26] - Quote I'll be honest, I have been happy with the matchmaking lately. I played 7 games last night -- Mostly Dom, but 1 skirm and 1 Amb. And all but 1 match was close -- as in very very close.
jade gamester Vengeance Unbound RUST415 253	Posted - 2015.04.16 07:45:00 - [27] - Quote Duke Noobiam wrote: PADDEHATPIGEN wrote: I play mostly solo to and it seems like solo players have become cannon fodder. I played FW all day yestoday and lost ALL battles, Scotty keeps putting me on a looser team. I honestly think I could have made more LP without this crap event as I got put on the loosing side 99% off all battles I joined no matter what side I joined so this 50% bonus really did nothing for me. Amar sentinel amar assault scrambler rifle rail rifle 100% needles cal scout specialist uplinks.... In all I made about 60.000 LP at 300-500 LP. Per. Battle. And I have 2 boosters stagged. I got absolutely no standing level gain anywhere and that sucks even more. I usually get more wins then losses so I feel like I would had made a lot more without this crap event. The only thing we solo players did was help the proto stompers get the new LP stuff and more state gear to stomp players with. I'm started to think about just quitting this game a lot this week. To understand why this happened to you, you need to understand how factional warfare works. - Minmatar always fight Amar (and vice versa). A win for one will gain you standings for them (+75) and lower standings for the other (-15) - Galente always fight Caldari (and vice versa). A win for one will gain you standings for them (+75) and lower standings for the other (-15) - There is no matchmaking in FW based on Mu. - More players and particularly more veterans fight for either the Minmatar and Galente factions exclusively. - It is generally accepted that the reason for this is that the items available in their factional stores are better than those offered in the Amar and Caldari factional stores. - This is why wait times for these factions are much longer than for Caldari or Amar. More players playing for them means longer wait times as you are waiting for players to join for the Amar and Caldari factions. - New players who play factional warfare usually have all factions selected. This means that they will be disproportionately contracted to fight for the Amar and Caldari factions as these usually require players to match up with the higher numbers who have selected Minmatar and/or Galente. The end result of this is that on average you will have more beginners on your team if you fight for Amar and/or Caldari. - Currently, if you want to win in FW you should... - Fight for Minmatar or Galente if you are playing solo. - Create a squad of veterans (or two and Queue Synch) if you want to play for Amar or Caldari. Hope this helps. Will the real vu please stand up o7
dust 514 shadow Eternal Beings 9	Posted - 2015.04.16 11:44:00 - [28] - Quote Dom is my favorite game mode but I have noticed that I am almost always placed with people who quit as soon as they die and the enemy team is proto stomping. The people left on my team are noobs running around in the mcc. Really only one or two of them are out fighting but we still get crushed. And I am skilled at the game. In ambush I lose 99 percent of the time unless I'm squading. Same with Dom. I basically lose unless I'm in a squad with 4 or more people. The rest of the time I get stomped.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 8089	Posted - 2015.04.16 11:53:00 - [29] - Quote Ambush is a mindless trash mode that requires no thought to succeed in and invariably is determined by who brings the most proto To the lemming adventure. Skirmish is actually fun because it usually isn't determined by a mob rush. Domination is just idiotic Because of how easy it is to entrench to win. Avg. Skirm time: 40 seconds for me. AV


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