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Megaman Trigger Ready to Play 259	Posted - 2015.04.12 16:10:00 - [1] - Quote Please CCP, please give us a viable long range Heavy Weapon. The HMG is short range and the Assault HMG has too much dispersion to be used effectively at its intended longer ranges. Truth is it's less Assault and more Breach, but the dispersion means we can't even hit anything most of the time. This leaves us with the Forge Gun as our only long range Heavy choice or with us having to resort to using Light Weapons. Give us something than a CQC weapon so we can finally get out of buildings and don't have to just sit around an objective. Isn't it time we had something we can use out in the open? Purifier. First Class.
Archduke Ferd1nand Nos Nothi 342	Posted - 2015.04.12 18:54:00 - [2] - Quote Translation: I want to rooftop camp even more effectively. BRB, looking for socks Asslut Rifles OP, anal now I shit shotgun shells and piss Remote Explosives
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5775	Posted - 2015.04.12 18:57:00 - [3] - Quote I always thought Sentinel were supposed to be point defense, as in staying near the point, and defending it, which is nearly always in CQC. If you want to be a heavy suit and move around more, try the Commando. A little underwhelming at the moment but still an extremely fun to play as. "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast & Blog www.biomassed.net
Megaman Trigger Ready to Play 259	Posted - 2015.04.12 19:05:00 - [4] - Quote Archduke Ferd1nand wrote: Translation: I want to rooftop camp even more effectively. Translation of translation: I have no idea what I'm talking about so I'm gonna talk crap and not offer anything helpful. Purifier. First Class.
Stormblade Green KnightKiller's inc. 70	Posted - 2015.04.12 19:13:00 - [5] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: I always thought Sentinel were supposed to be point defense, as in staying near the point, and defending it, which is nearly always in CQC. If you want to be a heavy suit and move around more, try the Commando. A little underwhelming at the moment but still an extremely fun to play as. This guy knows...... One might say... I'm very skilled... yet I'm his apprentice... So what does that say about my mentor?
Mikel Arias Challengers 506 107	Posted - 2015.04.12 19:59:00 - [6] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: I always thought Sentinel were supposed to be point defense, as in staying near the point, and defending it, which is nearly always in CQC. If you want to be a heavy suit and move around more, try the Commando. A little underwhelming at the moment but still an extremely fun to play as. I have heard a lot of people saying the commandos are not a good choice, but I find them to be amazing. At least the Galmando and the Minmando, specially the first one. Great anti infantry, great AV. Why arent they loved by people?
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5776	Posted - 2015.04.12 20:05:00 - [7] - Quote Mikel Arias wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: I always thought Sentinel were supposed to be point defense, as in staying near the point, and defending it, which is nearly always in CQC. If you want to be a heavy suit and move around more, try the Commando. A little underwhelming at the moment but still an extremely fun to play as. I have heard a lot of people saying the commandos are not a good choice, but I find them to be amazing. At least the Galmando and the Minmando, specially the first one. Great anti infantry, great AV. Why arent they loved by people? I feel that in general, the Commando feels pretty well balanced within itself. Just compared to other suits is slightly lacking in pretty much every way. I think a responsible and slight increase to most of its attributes would bring it up to where it needs to be. Also need more options for Amarr and Caldari, preferably some EM and Rail light AV weapons. "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast & Blog www.biomassed.net
Mikel Arias Challengers 506 107	Posted - 2015.04.12 20:12:00 - [8] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Mikel Arias wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: I always thought Sentinel were supposed to be point defense, as in staying near the point, and defending it, which is nearly always in CQC. If you want to be a heavy suit and move around more, try the Commando. A little underwhelming at the moment but still an extremely fun to play as. I have heard a lot of people saying the commandos are not a good choice, but I find them to be amazing. At least the Galmando and the Minmando, specially the first one. Great anti infantry, great AV. Why arent they loved by people? I feel that in general, the Commando feels pretty well balanced within itself. Just compared to other suits is slightly lacking in pretty much every way. I think a responsible and slight increase to most of its attributes would bring it up to where it needs to be. Also need more options for Amarr and Caldari, preferably some EM and Rail light AV weapons. I agree that it could get some love, but not too much or you will hear people complaining even before the get buffed. And I also agree that caldari and amar should get more weapons, specially the amar. The cals, the commando, should also get a bonus with the swarm lunchers because its there racial weapon. Something that I believe fair, but that wont make people happy.
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 9321	Posted - 2015.04.12 20:25:00 - [9] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Mikel Arias wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: I always thought Sentinel were supposed to be point defense, as in staying near the point, and defending it, which is nearly always in CQC. If you want to be a heavy suit and move around more, try the Commando. A little underwhelming at the moment but still an extremely fun to play as. I have heard a lot of people saying the commandos are not a good choice, but I find them to be amazing. At least the Galmando and the Minmando, specially the first one. Great anti infantry, great AV. Why arent they loved by people? I feel that in general, the Commando feels pretty well balanced within itself. Just compared to other suits is slightly lacking in pretty much every way. I think a responsible and slight increase to most of its attributes would bring it up to where it needs to be. Also need more options for Amarr and Caldari, preferably some EM and Rail light AV weapons. Speed to HP ratio needs put in place. @ OP Use the Forge Gun. It has a long range, and does a lot of damage, and is a heavy weapon. If you want other long range weaponry, nothing is preventing you from fitting a RR, SR, or ScR on your Sentinel. Sentinels were never meant to be long range fighters. If you want insane DPS at long range with insane HP, sorry, that isn't going to happen. Sentinels aren't meant to simply be the best at everything, and there is a reason why the HMGs were balanced like they are. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Megaman Trigger Ready to Play 263	Posted - 2015.04.12 20:29:00 - [10] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Mikel Arias wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: I always thought Sentinel were supposed to be point defense, as in staying near the point, and defending it, which is nearly always in CQC. If you want to be a heavy suit and move around more, try the Commando. A little underwhelming at the moment but still an extremely fun to play as. I have heard a lot of people saying the commandos are not a good choice, but I find them to be amazing. At least the Galmando and the Minmando, specially the first one. Great anti infantry, great AV. Why arent they loved by people? I feel that in general, the Commando feels pretty well balanced within itself. Just compared to other suits is slightly lacking in pretty much every way. I think a responsible and slight increase to most of its attributes would bring it up to where it needs to be. Also need more options for Amarr and Caldari, preferably some EM and Rail light AV weapons. Speed to HP ratio needs put in place. @ OP Use the Forge Gun. It has a long range, and does a lot of damage, and is a heavy weapon. If you want other long range weaponry, nothing is preventing you from fitting a RR, SR, or ScR on your Sentinel. Sentinels were never meant to be long range fighters. If you want insane DPS at long range with insane HP, sorry, that isn't going to happen. Sentinels aren't meant to simply be the best at everything, and there is a reason why the HMGs were balanced like they are. I already use a Forge Gun. Never said I wanted the Sentinel to be the best at everything. I just want a viable, mid-range Heavy Weapon alternative to the current choices of either CQC or AV. Assault HMG is hardly viable since the dispersion makes it unable to hit at its intended range. Purifier. First Class.

One Eyed King Nos Nothi 9321	Posted - 2015.04.12 20:38:00 - [11] - Quote Megaman Trigger wrote: I already use a Forge Gun. Never said I wanted the Sentinel to be the best at everything. I just want a viable, mid-range Heavy Weapon alternative to the current choices of either CQC or AV. Assault HMG is hardly viable since the dispersion makes it unable to hit at its intended range. That was the point of the dispersion... There were points in time where the HMG could do damage at great distances, and it was an abusive and OP situation. Sentinels aren't meant for much outside CQC. That is there role. If you try to expand their role, you will make them better at longer range engagements and Sentinels will be taking away roles from the other suits. If you don't like dying in the open, don't go out in the open. If you want to fight mid to long range engagements, use another suit. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Megaman Trigger Ready to Play 263	Posted - 2015.04.12 20:43:00 - [12] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Megaman Trigger wrote: I already use a Forge Gun. Never said I wanted the Sentinel to be the best at everything. I just want a viable, mid-range Heavy Weapon alternative to the current choices of either CQC or AV. Assault HMG is hardly viable since the dispersion makes it unable to hit at its intended range. That was the point of the dispersion... There were points in time where the HMG could do damage at great distances, and it was an abusive and OP situation. Sentinels aren't meant for much outside CQC. That is there role. If you try to expand their role, you will make them better at longer range engagements and Sentinels will be taking away roles from the other suits. If you don't like dying in the open, don't go out in the open. If you want to fight mid to long range engagements, use another suit. And you missed my point about dispersion, which is that the dispersion on the Assault HMG prevents it from working as intended. It's supposed to be able to hit further than the normal HMG, but the dispersion prevents it from being able to do so. Purifier. First Class.
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 9321	Posted - 2015.04.12 20:49:00 - [13] - Quote Megaman Trigger wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Megaman Trigger wrote: I already use a Forge Gun. Never said I wanted the Sentinel to be the best at everything. I just want a viable, mid-range Heavy Weapon alternative to the current choices of either CQC or AV. Assault HMG is hardly viable since the dispersion makes it unable to hit at its intended range. That was the point of the dispersion... There were points in time where the HMG could do damage at great distances, and it was an abusive and OP situation. Sentinels aren't meant for much outside CQC. That is there role. If you try to expand their role, you will make them better at longer range engagements and Sentinels will be taking away roles from the other suits. If you don't like dying in the open, don't go out in the open. If you want to fight mid to long range engagements, use another suit. And you missed my point about dispersion, which is that the dispersion on the Assault HMG prevents it from working as intended. It's supposed to be able to hit further than the normal HMG, but the dispersion prevents it from being able to do so. If that was their intent, why did they give it the dispersion it has? If the dispersion is an error, why not just ask for it to be dialed down a notch instead of adding whole new weaponry? Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5778	Posted - 2015.04.12 20:49:00 - [14] - Quote Megaman Trigger wrote: I already use a Forge Gun. Never said I wanted the Sentinel to be the best at everything. I just want a viable, mid-range Heavy Weapon alternative to the current choices of either CQC or AV. Assault HMG is hardly viable since the dispersion makes it unable to hit at its intended range. I understand what you're saying, but the suit itself is designed to be viable at close range. Bringing in another heavy weapon with more range is simply going to re-create the issue with people being shredded by HMGs from afar. Now if there was a heavy suit more designed around buffing heavy weapons that didn't have the same defensive capabilities of the Sentinel, but for example had bonuses to increase the range of the HMG, that might be more reasonable. But handing suit with the best defenses in the game a heavy weapon that can tear people apart at longer ranges is not going to be good. If you're looking for a higher HP suit that has less defenses and damage output than a Sentinel with an HMG, I really encourage you to give the Commando a go. It performs very well at a wide range of distances, has a similar feel to that of a Sentinel (just faster and less HP obviously) and its damage buff and utility to its weapons is nothing to scoff at. "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast & Blog www.biomassed.net
Megaman Trigger Ready to Play 263	Posted - 2015.04.12 20:50:00 - [15] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Megaman Trigger wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Megaman Trigger wrote: I already use a Forge Gun. Never said I wanted the Sentinel to be the best at everything. I just want a viable, mid-range Heavy Weapon alternative to the current choices of either CQC or AV. Assault HMG is hardly viable since the dispersion makes it unable to hit at its intended range. That was the point of the dispersion... There were points in time where the HMG could do damage at great distances, and it was an abusive and OP situation. Sentinels aren't meant for much outside CQC. That is there role. If you try to expand their role, you will make them better at longer range engagements and Sentinels will be taking away roles from the other suits. If you don't like dying in the open, don't go out in the open. If you want to fight mid to long range engagements, use another suit. And you missed my point about dispersion, which is that the dispersion on the Assault HMG prevents it from working as intended. It's supposed to be able to hit further than the normal HMG, but the dispersion prevents it from being able to do so. If that was their intent, why did they give it the dispersion it has? If the dispersion is an error, why not just ask for it to be dialed down a notch instead of adding whole new weaponry? We've been asking for the dispersion to be fixed, as well as the missing racial weapons. CCP have, so far, been silent. Purifier. First Class.
Megaman Trigger Ready to Play 263	Posted - 2015.04.12 21:00:00 - [16] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Megaman Trigger wrote: I already use a Forge Gun. Never said I wanted the Sentinel to be the best at everything. I just want a viable, mid-range Heavy Weapon alternative to the current choices of either CQC or AV. Assault HMG is hardly viable since the dispersion makes it unable to hit at its intended range. I understand what you're saying, but the suit itself is designed to be viable at close range. Bringing in another heavy weapon with more range is simply going to re-create the issue with people being shredded by HMGs from afar. Now if there was a heavy suit more designed around buffing heavy weapons that didn't have the same defensive capabilities of the Sentinel, but for example had bonuses to increase the range of the HMG, that might be more reasonable. But handing suit with the best defenses in the game a heavy weapon that can tear people apart at longer ranges is not going to be good. If you're looking for a higher HP suit that has less defenses and damage output than a Sentinel with an HMG, I really encourage you to give the Commando a go. It performs very well at a wide range of distances, has a similar feel to that of a Sentinel (just faster and less HP obviously) and its damage buff and utility to its weapons is nothing to scoff at. So maybe the Sentinel needs a rebalance. Something like: lose the resistances and then give them a bonus to either Heavy Weapons operations (with perhaps a minor HP buff to make up the short fall from resistances) to go with the racial Heavy Weapons or to defensive modules like Plates, Reps, Extenders etc (and no HP buff) Purifier. First Class.
g li2 Grupo de Asalto Chacal Rise Of Legion. 680	Posted - 2015.04.12 21:00:00 - [17] - Quote One of the nice things about this game is the ability to have multiple roles. Let heavy as they are. G.A.C. CHACALES
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5780	Posted - 2015.04.12 21:13:00 - [18] - Quote Megaman Trigger wrote: So maybe the Sentinel needs a rebalance. Something like: lose the resistances and then give them a bonus to either Heavy Weapons operations (with perhaps a minor HP buff to make up the short fall from resistances) to go with the racial Heavy Weapons or to defensive modules like Plates, Reps, Extenders etc (and no HP buff) Or leave them as is because having a point defense class isn't a bad thing, and introduce something new? "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast & Blog www.biomassed.net
Megaman Trigger Ready to Play 263	Posted - 2015.04.12 21:15:00 - [19] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Megaman Trigger wrote: So maybe the Sentinel needs a rebalance. Something like: lose the resistances and then give them a bonus to either Heavy Weapons operations (with perhaps a minor HP buff to make up the short fall from resistances) to go with the racial Heavy Weapons or to defensive modules like Plates, Reps, Extenders etc (and no HP buff) Or leave them as is because having a point defense class isn't a bad thing, and introduce something new? Do we at least get to have a weapon for each race? Even if they're AV? Purifier. First Class.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5780	Posted - 2015.04.12 21:20:00 - [20] - Quote I would like to see some for of heavy weapon for each race, yes. I just don't want you to expect something performing like an HMG at medium range and raping the hell out of everything. "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast & Blog www.biomassed.net

Megaman Trigger Ready to Play 265	Posted - 2015.04.12 21:30:00 - [21] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: I would like to see some for of heavy weapon for each race, yes. I just don't want you to expect something performing like an HMG at medium range and raping the hell out of everything. Not expecting a medium range HMG, never was. Just something to use at medium range. That and having the Assault HMG actually be able to hit at it's intended range. Purifier. First Class.
Sardonk Eternia Tiny Universe 290	Posted - 2015.04.12 21:42:00 - [22] - Quote I'm going to have to agree with the people who disagree with the OP. Heavies have a role and the weapons they have are appropriate for it. There's other suits in the game if you want to play a different role.
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 768	Posted - 2015.04.13 00:28:00 - [23] - Quote We got the Min HMG for CQC to CLose. We got the Cal Forge for extra long. Now we just need the Am Heavy Laser for Mid Range and the Gal Mortar for ***** and giggles.
HOLY ABYSS Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2015.04.13 02:05:00 - [24] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: I always thought Sentinel were supposed to be point defense, as in staying near the point, and defending it, which is nearly always in CQC. If you want to be a heavy suit and move around more, try the Commando. A little underwhelming at the moment but still an extremely fun to play as. Ya, and I thought scouts were not expose to kill an entire squad. Wait... oops.. I was wrong. Im really Holy Perfection, CCP decided to ban me Haha CCP what now!
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 8037	Posted - 2015.04.13 12:15:00 - [25] - Quote Wow this is a circlejerk. Who the hell said long range heavy AI weapons would be balanced with the HMG's old DPS without external limiters? There's a reason whenever I suggest it I make sure that there is a chokepoint in the proposal to keep the HMG from being better at everything. but unless rattati can peel away the coders? making sure that the damage is not overwhelming overall and making sure it's rigged to have drawbacks at rhe opposite range bracket needs to be a thing. Like a hesvy scrambler. The thought of a laser cannon that kills the wielder (literally) tickles me. AV
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 8037	Posted - 2015.04.13 12:16:00 - [26] - Quote Sardonk Eternia wrote: I'm going to have to agree with the people who disagree with the OP. Heavies have a role and the weapons they have are appropriate for it. There's other suits in the game if you want to play a different role. That role is arbitrary and exploitable even if you dismount the heavy weapons and run light. A sentinel has no drawbacks or sacrifices to make in CQC ever. That is why the crap meta we have is so strong. AV
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 769	Posted - 2015.04.14 01:08:00 - [27] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Sardonk Eternia wrote: I'm going to have to agree with the people who disagree with the OP. Heavies have a role and the weapons they have are appropriate for it. There's other suits in the game if you want to play a different role. That role is arbitrary and exploitable even if you dismount the heavy weapons and run light. A sentinel has no drawbacks or sacrifices to make in CQC ever. That is why the crap meta we have is so strong. The above (somewhat inaccurate) statement implies that heavies are somehow special in this regard. Which is not the case.


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