DUST Search - Are Secondary Objectives / Console Events Possible

Fox Gaden wrote:

Brush Master wrote:

Hacking a CRU adds xx allied clones and removes xx enemy clones

I like this one. Have each CRU start the match with 15 clones loaded. Those clones get added to the total clone count of whichever team currently holds the CRU. That number gets reduced by 1 every time someone spawns at the CRU, until the 15 clones are used up and the CRU begins to act as an Uplink, teleporting clones in from the MCC.

Thus:
- Spawning from a CRU does not use one of your MCC's clones. (At least while the CRU clone count lasts.)
- Spawning from a CRU uses up a clone that might otherwise be used by the enemy.
- Capturing a CRU that was only lightly used earlier in the match might keep your team from getting cloned long enough to get a MCC win.
- CRU's would become a much greater tactical asset.
- Some matches might come down to hacking, or destroying, a CRU to clone the enemy team.

New Game Mode:

- Modified form of Ambush.
- All Clone reserves are in the CRU's scattered across the map. No MCC.
- Each team starts with a CRU (15 clone reserve) on opposite ends of the map.
- Winning objective is to clone the apposing team, but you do that by controlling/destroying their CRU's as much as by killing individual clones.

Raiding:
- The object would be to capture the CRU's and clone the other team.
- Defenders start the match with all the CRU's.
- Attackers have to hack a CRU to get additional clones. (But they do have the element of surprise.)
- If the Attackers win their Corp gets all the remaining Clones + enough Command Points to sell the clones. (Or they can use the clones and Command Points to finance another raid.)
- Except for the 16 clones the attackers arrive with, all clones come out of the Defender's District clone reserves. Thus raiding can be a way of weakening a district. (The CRU's should not hold more than a third of the District's clone reserves, so raiding would not leave a district undefended.)
- Raiding would not flip the district, as a raid would remove no more than a third of the clones.
- Since the Attackers have to go around hacking CRU's to get a foothold, it gives the defenders a little time to rally a defense.
- If the defenders don't successfully repel the raiders they will loos the clones in the CRU's, so if the A Team is not available when the raid happens, it is better for anyone who is on to try to defend, as it is better for the clones to die fighting than for the enemy to capture them. This gives newer players a chance to get involved in defending their districts.

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Brush Master Onslaught Inc 1477	Posted - 2015.04.10 16:53:00 - [1] - Quote This is more of a post geared towards CCP Rattati and other devs. From a technical stand point can any of the following ideas be implemented with the framework that we have. These are secondary objectives, something that can change gameplay and offer some dynamic elements to a map so it does not feel like, this is just what you do on xx map to win. Is this possible: Hack a console in one area to turn on/off one or multiple installations in another (linked sockets?) Hacking a console that can provide a timed event aka turns on a turret for xx seconds Hacking a CRU adds xx allied clones and removes xx enemy clones Upon successful hack of a null cannon, any installation within xx distance reverts back to unhacked If you team owns a line of turrets or null cannons, it deals xx bonus damage Just a couple ideas but general concept is can consoles cause events and can installations be linked to provide some sort of benefit, making them a more important factor aka secondary objectives worth defending. Dust Veteran. June 2012 - ? True Logi. Flying DS from the start. @dustreports
killian178 Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 134	Posted - 2015.04.11 01:57:00 - [2] - Quote Bump Every commando k.o, every weapon at adv or above. Don't give a damn bout my kdr, I will kill you.

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 20373	Posted - 2015.04.11 02:26:00 - [3] - Quote I will mark these as "interesting things to research" "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Brush Master Onslaught Inc 1483	Posted - 2015.04.11 03:44:00 - [4] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I will mark these as "interesting things to research" Awesome, you can expect a monthly, "did you find anything out yet " question Dust Veteran. June 2012 - ? True Logi. Flying DS from the start. @dustreports
G Clone Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 50	Posted - 2015.04.11 07:27:00 - [5] - Quote This topic is interesting to me, due to a possible gamemode I've been contemplating - would be very interested in hearing the outcome of this.
Regis Blackbird DUST University Ivy League 720	Posted - 2015.04.11 07:41:00 - [6] - Quote Great ideas If the basic framework for secondary objectives gets implemented, a lot of really interesting modes can be invented. Perhaps one day a player looks at Dust loading screen describing the icons and say: "Defence Relays, yeah I know... They are a pain to activate"
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7991	Posted - 2015.04.11 10:04:00 - [7] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I will mark these as "interesting things to research" I think hacking control consoles to take over turret arrays was actually intended for tge original game concept. In fact the icon legend specifically has markings for such terminals. Question is twofold: Was that code implemented? If yes, is the code still viable? AV
Lenz Hong Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 18	Posted - 2015.04.25 18:26:00 - [8] - Quote If this is possible would be awesome :) Also, would be possible to turrets in a given point communicate between each other? So they keep all aware of a tank or even infantry? The first, you meant like in FW? If 2 or more battles are ocurring a team in one battle could help the team in another by hacking the Turrets or the MCC? (Also, the portals could be changed/improved to help in these moments?) About the clones (the 3rd), I thought about these too, but in another way. Why not put a battle mode (in faction or under other contracts) that can keep changing the numbers to the next battle in some way? For example, Gallente win a battle against Caldari per a district in a given planet, since Caldari don't want to lose another district in this planet they could mode more clones to the district (maybe the fight could be expected to happen as 150-150 but starts as 150-210).
Tebu Gan Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 1382	Posted - 2015.04.25 18:29:00 - [9] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I will mark these as "interesting things to research" Very interesting indeed, they could really change the dynamics of battles and make them far far more interesting. Great idea's they are! Tanks - Balancing Turrets
Brush Master Onslaught Inc 1517	Posted - 2015.04.26 00:29:00 - [10] - Quote Regis Blackbird wrote: Great ideas If the basic framework for secondary objectives gets implemented, a lot of really interesting modes can be invented. Perhaps one day a player looks at Dust loading screen describing the icons and say: "Defence Relays, yeah I know... They are a pain to activate" It could unlock a whole array of new ideas for sure. Dust Veteran. June 2012 - ? True Logi. Flying DS from the start. @dustreports

Brush Master KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 1	Posted - 2015.06.26 12:39:00 - [11] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I will mark these as "interesting things to research" Friendly bump, it has been 76 days since your last comment. Dust Veteran. June 2012 - ? True Logi. Flying DS from the start. @dustreports
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 6	Posted - 2015.06.26 16:45:00 - [12] - Quote Brush Master wrote: Hacking a CRU adds xx allied clones and removes xx enemy clones I like this one. Have each CRU start the match with 15 clones loaded. Those clones get added to the total clone count of whichever team currently holds the CRU. That number gets reduced by 1 every time someone spawns at the CRU, until the 15 clones are used up and the CRU begins to act as an Uplink, teleporting clones in from the MCC. Thus: - Spawning from a CRU does not use one of your MCC's clones. (At least while the CRU clone count lasts.) - Spawning from a CRU uses up a clone that might otherwise be used by the enemy. - Capturing a CRU that was only lightly used earlier in the match might keep your team from getting cloned long enough to get a MCC win. - CRU's would become a much greater tactical asset. - Some matches might come down to hacking, or destroying, a CRU to clone the enemy team. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Scheneighnay McBob Penumbra or something 7	Posted - 2015.06.26 20:24:00 - [13] - Quote Well, it's definitely possible to have 1 console affect multiple installations. In domination, the lettered console controls 4 or 5 different NULL cannons. Command nodes and Defense relays also did something of the sort, but you would have to ask someone who experienced skirmish 1.0 for longer than the week or 2 that I did. Not caring about KD
Kaeru Nayiri Ready to Play 1	Posted - 2015.06.26 20:30:00 - [14] - Quote I really like these ideas, it deserves a serious look, in my opinion ! +1 Know what cannot be known.
Brush Master KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 1	Posted - 2015.07.01 14:30:00 - [15] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Brush Master wrote: Hacking a CRU adds xx allied clones and removes xx enemy clones I like this one. Have each CRU start the match with 15 clones loaded. Those clones get added to the total clone count of whichever team currently holds the CRU. That number gets reduced by 1 every time someone spawns at the CRU, until the 15 clones are used up and the CRU begins to act as an Uplink, teleporting clones in from the MCC. Thus: - Spawning from a CRU does not use one of your MCC's clones. (At least while the CRU clone count lasts.) - Spawning from a CRU uses up a clone that might otherwise be used by the enemy. - Capturing a CRU that was only lightly used earlier in the match might keep your team from getting cloned long enough to get a MCC win. - CRU's would become a much greater tactical asset. - Some matches might come down to hacking, or destroying, a CRU to clone the enemy team. New Game Mode: - Modified form of Ambush. - All Clone reserves are in the CRU's scattered across the map. No MCC. - Each team starts with a CRU (15 clone reserve) on opposite ends of the map. - Winning objective is to clone the apposing team, but you do that by controlling/destroying their CRU's as much as by killing individual clones. Raiding: - The object would be to capture the CRU's and clone the other team. - Defenders start the match with all the CRU's. - Attackers have to hack a CRU to get additional clones. (But they do have the element of surprise.) - If the Attackers win their Corp gets all the remaining Clones + enough Command Points to sell the clones. (Or they can use the clones and Command Points to finance another raid.) - Except for the 16 clones the attackers arrive with, all clones come out of the Defender's District clone reserves. Thus raiding can be a way of weakening a district. (The CRU's should not hold more than a third of the District's clone reserves, so raiding would not leave a district undefended.) - Raiding would not flip the district, as a raid would remove no more than a third of the clones. - Since the Attackers have to go around hacking CRU's to get a foothold, it gives the defenders a little time to rally a defense. - If the defenders don't successfully repel the raiders they will loos the clones in the CRU's, so if the A Team is not available when the raid happens, it is better for anyone who is on to try to defend, as it is better for the clones to die fighting than for the enemy to capture them. This gives newer players a chance to get involved in defending their districts. It is ideas like this that could happen based on the answer to the question. Nice ideas. Dust Veteran. June 2012 - ? True Logi. Flying DS from the start. @dustreports
benandjerrys Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 233	Posted - 2015.07.01 23:55:00 - [16] - Quote @ original post... Crus. Game mode where clone count drops if you do not hold cru. This would be HUGE for EvE side orbitals. ONE UNIVERSE//ONE WAR Let's bring back Dust/EvE cross content
Brush Master KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 1	Posted - 2015.07.21 19:47:00 - [17] - Quote benandjerrys wrote: @ original post... Crus. Game mode where clone count drops if you do not hold cru. This would be HUGE for EvE side orbitals. Ideas can be endless but first we just need to see what limits and options we have to work with. Dust Veteran. June 2012 - ? True Logi. Flying DS from the start. @dustreports
CROW and Cardinal SINISTER DEVELOPMENTS 3	Posted - 2015.07.21 21:01:00 - [18] - Quote Are people actually thinking of awesome ways to make the game more interesting, strategic, and challenging? You can't see it, but I'm saluting every one of you, individually. Engulfed in darkness and set ablaze, the light will never permeate your intangible cage. -Crow & Cardinal
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 12	Posted - 2015.07.21 21:28:00 - [19] - Quote @CCP Rattati Now that PC 2.0 and Warlords 1.2 are out of the way, what is the status of your "research"? Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
Isa Lucifer Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 370	Posted - 2015.07.21 23:13:00 - [20] - Quote I would like to know as well. Amarr Victor Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support

Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5	Posted - 2015.08.04 16:44:00 - [21] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I will mark these as "interesting things to research" I'm going to optimistically hope that perhaps this research will be a meeting topic during the term of CPM 2. I'll also remain hopeful that the community decides to re-elect me so I can be in attendance at that meeting CPM 1, reelection platform here.
benandjerrys Vader's-Fist 521	Posted - 2015.08.04 17:05:00 - [22] - Quote I'll edit this layer and actually say something useful. ONE UNIVERSE//ONE WAR Support Dust/EvE cross content We need live events discussion
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 3	Posted - 2015.08.05 10:04:00 - [23] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I will mark these as "interesting things to research" Hello, did you manage to find anything out about this? Are any of the OP`s ideas feasible? I like his ideas to be fair. "Madness how we turned our common-ground into a battle-ground.." - Essa
Brush Master KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 1	Posted - 2015.08.27 13:32:00 - [24] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: I will mark these as "interesting things to research" I'm going to optimistically hope that perhaps this research will be a meeting topic during the term of CPM 2. I'll also remain hopeful that the community decides to re-elect me so I can be in attendance at that meeting Well now that you are on CPM2 and this is still on my mind, can we work on an answer? Dust Veteran. June 2012 - ? True Logi. Flying DS from the start. @dustreports
Brush Master KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 1	Posted - 2015.09.14 18:25:00 - [25] - Quote CROW and Cardinal wrote: Are people actually thinking of awesome ways to make the game more interesting, strategic, and challenging? You can't see it, but I'm saluting every one of you, individually. Continuing to think... Dust Veteran. June 2012 - ? True Logi. Flying DS from the start. @dustreports
Billy Lawson G.L.O.R.Y 14	Posted - 2015.09.14 18:44:00 - [26] - Quote this would so totally be of use to me... I feel like I would actually be a nuisance to the enemy while actually be able to help my team instead of just take bullets and die... over and over again... G.L.O.R.Y Logistics I'm the guy you don't wanna f* with...
DiablosMajora 284	Posted - 2015.09.15 18:56:00 - [27] - Quote Special battlefield objectives to give free warbarge strikes to allied squads! Or other warbage-based rewards to use during battle... like WB Scanning, Jamming, Damping, etc. Prepare your angus
Megaman Trigger OSG Planetary Operations 731	Posted - 2015.09.15 19:22:00 - [28] - Quote Axillary Null Cannon Override Consoles: In Dom, there could be one or two, or more, axillary consoles (can use the Acquisition console prop) that could come online after a set time and then affect the main Null Cannon. If the cannon is hostile, hacking a console could reduce Missile launch rate, whike hacking them all could reset the cannon to neutral. If friendly, hacking consoles could increase launch rate or damage. Defending the cannon wouldn't be as easy as 16 mercs on point, they'd have to spare a few to watch at least one axillary console. Purifier. First Class.
Baal Omniscient Qualified Scrub 2	Posted - 2015.09.18 17:12:00 - [29] - Quote Free bump in the interest of pushing for a response. Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0 I GÖú Puppies (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.*pâ+n+ín+ƒ.
Luther Mandrix WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL RUST415 642	Posted - 2015.09.19 11:10:00 - [30] - Quote Brush Master wrote: This is more of a post geared towards CCP Rattati and other devs. From a technical stand point can any of the following ideas be implemented with the framework that we have. These are secondary objectives, something that can change gameplay and offer some dynamic elements to a map so it does not feel like, this is just what you do on xx map to win. Is this possible: Hack a console in one area to turn on/off one or multiple installations in another (linked sockets?) Hacking a console that can provide a timed event aka turns on a turret for xx seconds Hacking a CRU adds xx allied clones and removes xx enemy clones Upon successful hack of a null cannon, any installation within xx distance reverts back to unhacked If you team owns a line of turrets or null cannons, it deals xx bonus damage Just a couple ideas but general concept is can consoles cause events and can installations be linked to provide some sort of benefit, making them a more important factor aka secondary objectives worth defending. Man this is refreshing Thank You

Baal Omniscient Qualified Scrub 2	Posted - 2015.09.22 08:37:00 - [31] - Quote Another free bump, I'd really like to know if these things are possible to do so we can know whether or not it's a waste of time to push for it. Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0 I GÖú Puppies (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.*pâ+n+ín+ƒ.
Brush Master KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 1	Posted - 2015.11.16 20:06:00 - [32] - Quote benandjerrys wrote: I'll edit this later and actually say something useful. I think you forgot about this like the devs have Dust Veteran. June 2012 - ? True Logi. Flying DS from the start. @dustreports
7th Son 7 Hakuna Matatah Inc 1	Posted - 2015.11.16 23:58:00 - [33] - Quote Brush Master wrote: benandjerrys wrote: I'll edit this later and actually say something useful. I think you forgot about this like the devs have If i'm reading into this correctly, you posted this idea back in April? Only your complete and total awareness is needed, nothing else will do. ----- OSHO
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations 5	Posted - 2015.11.17 04:14:00 - [34] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: I will mark these as "interesting things to research" I'm going to optimistically hope that perhaps this research will be a meeting topic during the term of CPM 2. I'll also remain hopeful that the community decides to re-elect me so I can be in attendance at that meeting Well re-election aspect has transpired, the further information on this subject has not as of yet surfaced. Hopefully it will show up in time as well, and in the mean while, well, I guess... bump? CPM mail me your feedback and remember to have fun!
Summa Militum Abstract Requiem 1	Posted - 2015.11.17 07:31:00 - [35] - Quote This is one of the greatest ideas I have ever heard on the forums. Like holy **** this is a great idea.
Luther Mandrix WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL RUST415 672	Posted - 2015.11.18 09:25:00 - [36] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I will mark these as "interesting things to research" please update trelo board
Brush Master KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 1	Posted - 2015.12.02 19:25:00 - [37] - Quote 7th Son 7 wrote: Brush Master wrote: benandjerrys wrote: I'll edit this later and actually say something useful. I think you forgot about this like the devs have If i'm reading into this correctly, you posted this idea back in April? Indeed but for those that know me, I have pushed for ideas and responses for years before and this one shall be no different. Remember mCRU, ya that took a couple years, multiple cpms/dev teams, see https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=136467&find=unread as just one of the many of examples. Dust Veteran. June 2012 - ? True Logi. Flying DS from the start. @dustreports
Sylwester Dziewiecki 531	Posted - 2015.12.04 13:39:00 - [38] - Quote Could we have Null's that deal EM and Null's with EX damage, so that one are more efficient on shield and second on armor of MCC - and if you want to be efficient teammates you need to chose with one attack/defend first. This is Skirmish v1.0
Brush Master KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 1	Posted - 2015.12.14 14:00:00 - [39] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: I will mark these as "interesting things to research" Hello, did you manage to find anything out about this? Are any of the OP`s ideas feasible? I like his ideas to be fair. Keep on trying but the devs be busy right now but I try to bump this monthly. Dust Veteran. June 2012 - ? True Logi. Flying DS from the start. @dustreports
Bremen van Equis Incorruptibles 851	Posted - 2015.12.14 16:57:00 - [40] - Quote Bump... ...and can we have Katee Sackhoff voiceovers telling us what to hack and when?? I mean, since she's at the studio anyway... you could even trick her into the required monologues through creative use of conversation during morning meetings! e.g.: CCP Employee: "Hey Katee, how much longer til your microwave burrito is done...I wanna make popcorn!" Ms. Sackhoff: "There are only 30 seconds remaining!" Buckle up, boysGÇªthis ramp leads to space. -Axe Cop

Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations 5	Posted - 2015.12.15 11:58:00 - [41] - Quote Bremen van Equis wrote: Bump... ...and can we have Katee Sackhoff voiceovers telling us what to hack and when?? I mean, since she's at the studio anyway... you could even trick her into the required monologues through creative use of conversation during morning meetings! e.g.: CCP Employee: "Hey Katee, how much longer til your microwave burrito is done...I wanna make popcorn!" Ms. Sackhoff: "There are only 30 seconds remaining!" I think she'd get wise to this, and possibly smack me if I tried... oh, and I'm not a Dev or in that office. But despite those things I'm highly amused by this concept, and I would love to see that happen, or even risk life and limb to try ...now I want to go watch Longmire This is why we can't have nice things, fun is good
Brush Master KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 1	Posted - 2016.02.02 19:37:00 - [42] - Quote Billy Lawson wrote: this would so totally be of use to me... I feel like I would actually be a nuisance to the enemy while actually be able to help my team instead of just take bullets and die... over and over again... O this would so be used but the issue is long been forgotten. Where art thou Rattati. Dust Veteran. June 2012 - ? True Logi. Flying DS from the start. @dustreports


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