exposedsquad

I see the hate for kbm, and can't blame them.
Some or most of you think kbm, has an advantage over the DS3.
But nope it doesn't, kindly search the forums for threads about KBM or keyboard (key word search).
And for sure you'll notice some of those threads are requesting to have KBM fixed back to beta version.
see example thread below;

Thread Subject: The Keyboard/mouse MYTH and it's underlying problems
Link: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1662068#post1662068
Author: XxGhazbaranxX



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I'm one of those kbm users, and I'm not even a legendary slayer (seriously, just a casual gamer).
Example; you have a foe in CQC doing wiggle-wiggle dance move and if I do the ADADA, you think I'll win that dance battle do you? you're wrong 90% of the time I'll be taken out and the remaining 10% is because of luck and my experience.


Did you try to use DS3? Yes I did.
But I suck on being a twitch user on a DS3, my hands are not that in well grasp on the DS3 controller.
Also I've tried playing FPS games on xbox one console and so far I think I can play better (aim) with the xbox controller.
That is not versus bots, but on PVP.
So yeah I think it's somehow true, that using the xbox controller for FPS console games is better due button layout. (in my opinion).


Why use KBM? I'm more inclined in using kbm on FPS games, mainly because I'm used to to it.
I've been playing FPS games on PC way back then, where we have Quake3, Counter-Strike, Unreal Tournament.

If removing KBM on this game is needed, will you agree on it? Yes
Sure If they removed the aim assist and fixed hit detection.

Isn't your good in using keyboard and why do you agree?
I think I can buy a xbox controller and I can use it on my PS3 console.
Via adapter and use it for FPS games on PS3 console for Dust 514.

If they didn't removed the support for KBM, but removed aim assist on DS3.
Do you think it's unfair? No
I've been playing this game Dust 514 since after the beta stage (i think so).
Back then CQC battles like 1on1's were far better without auto aim, it's more like oh he/she got me, cause that guy
has better gun fight. Do you think I always won a 1on1 match back then, the answer is no.
That is always on 50/50 result, still the fights back then were fulfilling.

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I saw this on other forum post and I'll put this question here...
So tell me, how many legendary keyboard and mouse users do we have in this game.
Can you give me a list?

To CCP Team,
Can we have a list of how many DS3 users versus KBM users here in this game.
And put it on sticky thread to avoid so much QQ and blame finger stuff.


regards,
Mikhail Windgates

keep in mind there is also a few other differences... moslty on the exploit front

you can emulate a DS3 using KB/M to gain aim assist using a special program

you can get a modded controller

with a gaming KB/M you have the ability to complelty remap any key and button to do whatever you wish incuding the installation of maros


on the higher end of things you would be surprised how oftin these are used.


with the emulation program the KB/M comes out on top, without it they become equal because of the macro variety the KB/M presents (for instance a button the automatically does the figure 8 strafe, or the adad strafe) in addition to autofire and recoil canceling.

since exploiting the game like this isnt an banable offence (as confirmed when these tactics were used in official CCP tournaments) its concidered fair game, but not admitted to publically.



as a note ide like to state that im one of the members of the cummunity that routinly find new exploits and find ways to replicate them, not to use them but to counter and report them.

For example - I'm aiming for the head @ 70 with a scrambler rifle, my opponent is not moving in any direction. I have my crosshair 1 pixel to the right of the enemy head, I move my mouse just a tiny little bit to left, now its 1 pixel to the left of the enemy head... as If his head was "between" pixels.

I can track my targets better at those ranges, as I have more experience in playing with kb/m than ds3, while at close and cqc ranges I feel as if DS3 aim assist is always better than if I aimed "manually".

IMO both ds3 with aimbot (ermm.. aim assist) and kb/m have their own advantages and disadvantages in various playstyles, but in the end a kb/m that emulates ds3 wins ;P

things that you can do with a macro enhances KB/M that cant be done with anything else.

reload clipping (can be used for another exploit)
melee glitch (fixed)
rapid fire glitch (not fixed)
full auto on semi-auto (also available to modded controller)
recoil canceling (available to modded controller but not as tunable or effective)
rapid reload glitch
auto strafe
auto melee (melees on tunable basis as a finisher, can be tuned to how many melee attacks it will do)
quick swap macro (hilarious with a scrambler rifle, automatchically shots and swaps a scramber with an SMG for maximum efficiancy without any further button pushes)
auto granade cook (will cook a granades to the perfect temp than throw)
automatic replication of various glitches and exploits (the overheat cancel once belonged here)

the limit is only the users imagination, i come from a background of automation scripting so imm pretty good at finding interesting ways to automate gameplay. the KB/M setup is rediculasly tunable and done right and with practice you can so some pretty insane things with it.

also due to the input potential there are a few exploits ONLY obtainable with macros

Wish we have a test server, so guys like you can help out dev team in finding exploits.
and to aid them in fixing it.

Anyway thanks for the additional info that you've shared. o7

I got what you mean, Just a little movement from them and it's already out of aim.
even though your dead sure that you have aim properly for the head.

Notice that also for CQC, better coding for DS3 CQC probably that's why they have an upper hand for it.

So in the near future, in case we have legion for PC.
and if they will support the DS3 or XBOX controller, will we have an upper hand on KBM users .
So they should make things clear for the PC version, to support controllers or not.
this is to avoid such things like QQ stuff, the other way around i.e. please fix controller support for PC it sucks being emulated.

No, its not "just a little movement from them", THEY ARE STANDING STILL!! I can't point to an exact pixel where his head is, its always somewhere around, but not spot-on.

As for cqc, DS3 works better ONLY because it has superior aim-assist, I don't even have to aim much witha ds3 in cqc, just strafe around and aim assist will do the rest.

@Ghostchance - sad thing is, macros you are talking about can also be implemented in ds3 controller, so it's not only kb/m thing

not entirely, KB/M simply has more buttons at its disposal, you cant implement more than a few macros on a modded controller without compromising fine controls. hell my mouse has11 free buttons alone for macros without commpromising teh ones the game uses standard, add in a macro keyboard and you can install 50+ macros.

No, its not "just a little movement from them", THEY ARE STANDING STILL!! I can't point to an exact pixel where his head is, its always somewhere around, but not spot-on.

As for cqc, DS3 works better ONLY because it has superior aim-assist, I don't even have to aim much witha ds3 in cqc, just strafe around and aim assist will do the rest.

@Ghostchance - sad thing is, macros you are talking about can also be implemented in ds3 controller, so it's not only kb/m thing

That's a broken logic and you know it, if kb/m can emulate ds3 input, cant a ds3 do the opposite?