Rattati doesn't play EVE as far as I'm aware. I have assumed this is one of the primary reasons he pushes for Dust to do its own thing -- he can't come up with ideas that relate to EVE, because he doesn't relate to it at all personally. And that's fine. You do what you know.

But in this case its a problem, because Anoikis is a very specific, very special thing in that it is completely isolated from the rest of New Eden. Skirmishes are fought here between raiders, pirates and explorers. But not wars. Nobody knows where exactly Anoikis is located, and even if it exists along the same timeline as New Eden does.

All that is known is the Sleepers dwell here, and they brought the Talcon/certain Jovian with them before they died out/were assimilated into Sleeper stasis.

There would be no reason whatsoever for us to be there, unless it was a capsuleer driven conflict. Serious eve-side work would have to be done to make this feasible, and last I checked they still didn't care about us enough to forge that link any further.

This concept can be a twinkle in the eye, but until the game goes PS4 and CCP decides to give Dust its second wind of development there is nothing even remotely close that will happen.

I would say they are good examples based on existing wormhole effects of systems, for instance caldari mercs would have it good in Pulsar effect wormholes due to shield bonuses.

I couldn't agree with Himiko Kuronaga more.

Rattati's lack of EVE knowledge (or lack of desire to incorporate it in Dust) distances Dust from New Eden.

While that wasn't a problem when the FPS aspects of Dust were fundamentally broken, lack of continuity and consistency will continue to inhibit immersion in New Eden.

We have had Worm hole space in EvE for a while now and there are planets there and other orbital bodies. With the release of the new EvE update there is even more WH space out there, would a planetary conquest for these uncharted regions be a good idea for DUST or even Project Legion?

Because we can have games where the wormhole phenomena change how the game is played, just like it does in Eve.

Imagine a battle where it plays the same, but all weapons do 25% extra damage. Or where shields and armor are reduced by 50%.

Also this allows for a further roll out of PC that does not have to interact with either CONCORD or Sov mechanics.
The best way to find more connective tissue for EVE/Dust is to do it in areas where it won't require a rework of existing mechanics/balance. There is more opportunity to grow once foundations have been laid in less troubled waters.

Also this allows for a further roll out of PC that does not have to interact with either CONCORD or Sov mechanics.
The best way to find more connective tissue for EVE/Dust is to do it in areas where it won't require a rework of existing mechanics/balance. There is more opportunity to grow once foundations have been laid in less troubled waters.

Also this allows for a further roll out of PC that does not have to interact with either CONCORD or Sov mechanics.
The best way to find more connective tissue for EVE/Dust is to do it in areas where it won't require a rework of existing mechanics/balance. There is more opportunity to grow once foundations have been laid in less troubled waters.

Hides in a Wolf-Rayet.....

Exactly, is a nice place to set it up to where the system doesn't interfere with existing capsuleer systems of play...lore reasons for things aside (As much as I love them, it's mostly Technobabble anyway), it needs to be set up in such a way as to not interfere with existing capsuleer activity in the area, while rewarding those capsuleers who choose to interact with it. The system should also do its best to capture the "Spirit" of Anoikis...(Since implementing all the exact mechanics would be very difficult...ie I don't know how much people would like Environmental Effects...I personally would love to see them implemented...but I'd avoid Red Giants like the plague)

I do think it'll be far more interesting if CCP decides to tackle the problem of Logistics in a way that doesn't interfere with current capsuleer gameplay...(...Starmap of Anoikis could now be available due to the Sisters of Eve's Explorations in the region...but no pattern has as of yet been observed for WHs other than their Target Connection, and giving Mercs access to that data would make the intel war in w-space much easier for eggers)...after determining this, it becomes just a matter of getting good enough technobabble to explain the how/why the clone systems for Empyrean Mercs works there, but not Jump Clones for Capsuleers

Also this allows for a further roll out of PC that does not have to interact with either CONCORD or Sov mechanics.
The best way to find more connective tissue for EVE/Dust is to do it in areas where it won't require a rework of existing mechanics/balance. There is more opportunity to grow once foundations have been laid in less troubled waters.

The way you seem to be leaning you would rework wormholes, not a good plan, to place sovereignty ability in Wormholes, historically the wild west of eve.

I do not agree with this change and feel there would be others that may indeed have similar issues with it. Look instead at Thera and the shattered wormholes, construction of player owned stargates to these shattered holes and a possibility of holding sov in those systems as there are already players looking for ways to move into these systems (no moons, no pos anchoring ability).

Not sure how you get that out of what I said at all. There is in my view zero reason why you'd have to rework an EVE mechanic (let alone make w-space act like 0.0) to open up w-space planets for fights.

In point of fact it is specifically the lack of Sov mechanics of any kind that makes these areas appealing IMO because it is one less set of mechanics to balance/worry about when iterating on the Dust side features. I thought that would have been made clear by saying that it does not have to interact with Sov as I did in my post, honestly very confused what made that unclear.

However allow me to reiterate, none of what I have said is at any time implying that Sov mechanics should be added to w-space nor do I see any reason or need to rework w-space mechanics EVE side for these dust battles to be developed or populated.

Cheers,
Cross

DJINN, I do not think either of us are implying there needs to be a mechanics change for W-Space, just that the lack of an overriding system of any kind makes it an ideal location to place PC, so as not to interfere with existing Capsuleer systems. Also, you can generally assume I'm aware of how to hold a system without using Sov. Additionally, I have made sure to say in earlier posts that Shanghai should talk to Iceland and the CSM (In particular the W-Space Reps) before implementing anything...as it must be in the spirit of Anoikis...but you are correct, corp battle-style may be more optimal for W-Space, but I wouldn't want anyone to completely rule out PC at the moment.

We have had Worm hole space in EvE for a while now and there are planets there and other orbital bodies. With the release of the new EvE update there is even more WH space out there, would a planetary conquest for these uncharted regions be a good idea for DUST or even Project Legion?

We don't even have PC in a lot of NULLsec yet. I agree that something should happen, but not for a good lone time.

You mean in any part of Nullsec right?

As mentioned to Cross, PC implies conquest, adding sov to a wormhole environment IMO is neither desirable nor part of existing design goal for either Eve or Dust ATM not that Shattered holes may not have something like that lined up for the future but rather the existing Static Mapped wormholes do not have that structure designed into them. Look specifically at an Epicenter, the mass of stable violent wormholes waiting to be tamed by a player constructed stargate, there lies some planning towards static connected wormholes through the means of able players, however mass limited, time limited holes do not.

EDIT:BTW for sake of calling mercs by their names in the future, the DJINN honorific is one earned through trial by fire and participation in the Betas with Hellstorm. As seen before there are many a DJINN and none go by the name DJINN, DJINN Kujo, DJINN Jur, DJINN Phoenix, DJINN Rampage to name a few, the second part of the name denotes who we are not the first. Yes I have been around since Closed Beta, Open Beta was where I earned my DJINN honorific. I wear the badge with honor, never backing down from a fight, always seeking to make my world a better place for myself and those I surround myself with.

However one must consider the practicalities of Wormhole based PC.

How will the Wormhole PC systems work? Will they all be static and adjacent to one another or accessible from Low or High Security space and will the entrances themselves be static. Also what class of Wormhole will they be and what value will owning those specific kinds of Wormhole system have on your characters.

More to the point how does one justify fighting for territory in a Wormhole system that is already owned by another Wormhole Corporation and alliance and how do you propose to justify Genolution supplying its services to lawless regions of Anokis?

Then additional thought needs to be given to how EVE side mechanics might be supported. Wormhole Corporations don't like guests very often just touring their systems and few enough groups in Dust with EVE support have close to the muscle to take on a Wormhole corporation on their turf.

The idea is great but a lot of thought needs to go into execution.

@Godin I think the reason PC isn't in NULL sec yet is because CCP got hung up on the idea of PC affecting Sov...so it got killed/delayed indefinitely because no one in eve would want to have to rely on a completely different game in order to maintain their Empires...although, we still have a lot of Non-FW LS and a lot of NPC Null to go through before W-Space becomes the only option...