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Ghosts Chance
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
3156
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Posted - 2015.03.29 11:10:00 -
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completly tanking your MMR in efficiant wways is definatly going to be a thing if these matchmaking changes work properly.
im already dreaming up interesting ways to tank MMR ratings into the shitter to control outcomes.
why else is curious about how it will be possable to rig? and weather you can figure out how to tank your MMR while at the same time maintainning a particular stat of choice
Minmatar is Winmatar
Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind"
I am Chances Ghost
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Mister Goo
Random Gunz
189
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Posted - 2015.03.29 12:24:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:completly tanking your MMR in efficiant wways is definatly going to be a thing if these matchmaking changes work properly.
im already dreaming up interesting ways to tank MMR ratings into the shitter to control outcomes.
why else is curious about how it will be possable to rig? and weather you can figure out how to tank your MMR while at the same time maintainning a particular stat of choice
Its a shame that this is even a thought process that some one would even consider.
Closed Beta Vet
Minmatar Logistics I Repair, Revive, and Replenish. Leave the slaying for Assaults and Heavies.
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duster 35000
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
445
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Posted - 2015.03.29 12:30:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:completly tanking your MMR in efficiant wways is definatly going to be a thing if these matchmaking changes work properly.
im already dreaming up interesting ways to tank MMR ratings into the shitter to control outcomes.
why else is curious about how it will be possable to rig? and weather you can figure out how to tank your MMR while at the same time maintainning a particular stat of choice
Pray tell, what is an MMR?
Molestia approved
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Ghosts Chance
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
3163
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Posted - 2015.03.29 12:48:00 -
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duster 35000 wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:completly tanking your MMR in efficiant wways is definatly going to be a thing if these matchmaking changes work properly.
im already dreaming up interesting ways to tank MMR ratings into the shitter to control outcomes.
why else is curious about how it will be possable to rig? and weather you can figure out how to tank your MMR while at the same time maintainning a particular stat of choice Pray tell, what is an MMR?
matchmaking rating....
Minmatar is Winmatar
Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind"
I am Chances Ghost
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CommanderBolt
KILL-EM-QUICK
Rise Of Legion.
3279
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Posted - 2015.03.29 13:39:00 -
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But why would anyone ever want to do that?
Its much more fun playing against hardcore players than it is when you are effectively taking candy from the babies. This game will struggle to survive if lots of the 'vets' start doing things to get matched up with academy freshies.
Vitantur Nothus wrote: Why hide a solution under frothy pile of derpa?
SCV Ready!
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Jebus McKing
1787
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Posted - 2015.03.29 13:57:00 -
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I seriously hope that you end up in the high tier matches after playing the game for x weeks/months/matches or if total SP > x no matter your ranking.
Just keep the new players separated from the stompers. Matchmaking does not need to separate us into more categories but two. Team builder hopefully does the rest.
This would make manipulating your ranking moot.
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Bradric Banewolf
D3ATH CARD
RUST415
781
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Posted - 2015.03.29 14:40:00 -
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This community needs a lesson in humility, integrity, and honor. You do realize that "by any means necessary" is a figurative statement. It's not literal!
It means you'll fight your hardest, and win, lose, or draw you're content with the outcome. Knowing you did your best, within the rules of the game, should be enough.
Some of you take that statement, and run way to f*cking far with it smh?! Take the L like a man ffs?!
"Anybody order chaos?"
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Ghosts Chance
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
3165
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Posted - 2015.03.29 14:45:00 -
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Jebus McKing wrote:I seriously hope that you end up in the high tier matches after playing the game for x weeks/months/matches or if total SP > x no matter your ranking.
Just keep the new players separated from the stompers. Matchmaking does not need to separate us into more categories but two. Team builder hopefully does the rest.
This would make manipulating your ranking moot.
and make alts amazing for grinding isk as they wouldnt have the stats nessesary to be kicked up into the vet bracket (and once they do you delete and remake :P)
Minmatar is Winmatar
Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind"
I am Chances Ghost
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Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
2598
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Posted - 2015.03.29 16:00:00 -
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Jebus McKing wrote:I seriously hope that you end up in the high tier matches after playing the game for x weeks/months/matches or if total SP > x no matter your ranking.
Just keep the new players separated from the stompers. Matchmaking does not need to separate us into more categories but two. Team builder hopefully does the rest.
This would make manipulating your ranking moot.
I'm hoping that Rattati's metric measures player performance so that good noobs/bad vets get moved up/down a bit into matches with more/less competition. Skilllpoints make a difference but that should all show up in the player's performance ratings anyway.
Most obvious way to game the system that i can think of is to run PC for a month and then when you start playing pubs your -¦(mu) will be low(relatively speaking). Stomp for awhile until you can see the matchmaker putting you in tougher(i.e. fair) matches and then rinse and repeat with an alt while you first toon goes back to PC to lower it's -¦ again.
Knowing the details of the matchmaker & -¦ would make a big difference here: for example, is -¦ based solely on win/loss of an individual's team, or does -¦ take into account performance in individual 1-on-1 fights? A slayer could manipulate a team-win/loss based -¦ by killing but not hacking, by placing uplinks in 'hot' locations and no doubt many other slimy tactics.
Conversely, if -¦ does measure individual performance beyond team win/loss then a PC logi could switch to slayer mode for pubs and game the system that way.
If -¦ is team win/loss-based we should prolly ignore PC performance in calculating 'pub -¦', because it will not accurately reflect an individual's performance in pubs.
Squad composition can also be used to mess with 'apparent' -¦ rankings, inflating or deflating -¦ on demand once you know how to game the system. A slayer vet with a noob squad, for example.
I'd be tempted to calculate pub -¦ based on individual win/loss performance in pubs and individual slayer performance in pubs, but the slayer calculation may be too hard to do.
Interestingly, if we had a 1-on-1 gladiator mode, we could calibrate individual -¦ that way. 
PSN: RationalSpark
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Derpty Derp
Dead Man's Game
950
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Posted - 2015.03.29 16:03:00 -
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You could just make an alt... job done. |
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Ghosts Chance
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
3167
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Posted - 2015.03.29 16:20:00 -
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Mu is a particular type of matchmaking rating, and its not the type that rattiti is using.
Minmatar is Winmatar
Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind"
I am Chances Ghost
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Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES
1902
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Posted - 2015.03.29 16:26:00 -
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Mister Goo wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:completly tanking your MMR in efficiant wways is definatly going to be a thing if these matchmaking changes work properly.
im already dreaming up interesting ways to tank MMR ratings into the shitter to control outcomes.
why else is curious about how it will be possable to rig? and weather you can figure out how to tank your MMR while at the same time maintainning a particular stat of choice Its a shame that this is even a thought process that some one would even consider.
Some people are just trash to their core.
Crush them
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Bright Steel
Horizons' Edge
1087
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Posted - 2015.03.29 16:44:00 -
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From what I have read it will be more than win/lose or K/D. It is and will be an all encompassing estimation of player performance and is a lifetime stat and therefore will take A LOT to alter due to the amount of data being considered.
A year and a half vet like me would need to tank a lot, really bad, to alter my scores in a significant way. Kinda like lifetime KD, in the beginning it is very responsive to your performance but by a year or even two it is pretty stable.
So to tank it, your MU, you would have to die a lot and lose matches and get really low WP (if that's what's being considered) for a considerable amount of time. Who wants to do that? And just to stroke your ego with fighting easy opponents??? These are the same guys that play games in GOD MODE and say "look how awesome I am!"
Dust 514, the BEST WORST game you can't stop playing.
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Knightshade Belladonna
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
989
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Posted - 2015.03.29 16:49:00 -
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how much time did you spend thinking that one through?
I have 3 words to describe it.. stupid, shameful , and ignorant
also.. get good gun game you scrub.. wanting to downgrade in fear and beat up the new guys or those still trying to learn
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DUST Fiend
16222
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Posted - 2015.03.29 17:26:00 -
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Make alt
Crush noobs
Profit?
That said, I honestly doubt the changes will be too complex, and will very likely be easily gamed
Contests, Sales, Writing etc
Fly Safe
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LUGMOS
Corrosive Synergy
Rise Of Legion.
3089
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Posted - 2015.03.29 17:34:00 -
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This thread topic disgusts me.
Plasma Cannon :3
Anti-FoTM Prof. V
Forum Scavenger Prof. V
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DUST Fiend
16223
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Posted - 2015.03.29 17:47:00 -
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LUGMOS wrote:This thread topic disgusts me.
Yet is highly indicative of how this game actually plays out in game.
DUST is basically the LAST game you go to for a fair fight
Contests, Sales, Writing etc
Fly Safe
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Thumb Green
The Valyrian Mercenary Army
2205
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Posted - 2015.03.29 18:16:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:Mu is a particular type of matchmaking rating, and its not the type that rattiti is using.
He likes to stress that mu is a part of the team builder logic, not matchmaking.
Take your stinking paws off me, you damned dirty hipster!
Rated [TV-MA]
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LUGMOS
Corrosive Synergy
Rise Of Legion.
3093
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Posted - 2015.03.29 20:43:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:LUGMOS wrote:This thread topic disgusts me. Yet is highly indicative of how this game actually plays out in game. DUST is basically the LAST game you go to for a fair fight
Sadly, its true.
Plasma Cannon :3
Anti-FoTM Prof. V
Forum Scavenger Prof. V
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Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
2599
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Posted - 2015.03.29 22:11:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:Mu is a particular type of matchmaking rating, and its not the type that rattiti is using.
You're right, ofc, i was being lazy with my terminology in the above post. Last i saw Rattati post anything about it he was using an Elo-rating. That tells us a bit, but there are many versions of Elo, with many open questions about what the best what to do things is.
This is very close to Rattati's core strengths so i'm not too worried, but i do wonder how he's going to make his rating system work for teams and individuals.
PSN: RationalSpark
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