DUST Search - Faction Warfare Roadmap Proposal

LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote:

Nocturnal Soul wrote:

LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote:

Looks great Aero.

A couple of notes:

NO on removing the ISK cost. This makes being higher level more OP and would require an increase in price which would shut out lower level players who would be fighting the pure proto stomping level 8s - 10s.

I would like to see your thoughts on an LP exchange system. I feel like this idea should be balanced in a way that you take a loss when exchanging but it is necessary to be able to really run an all faction suit. Amarr players right now for example can not purchase light damage mods.

I do not see anything that offers Eve players incentive to come drop orbitals. Yes removing the player orbitals is VERY needed but that only goes back to how things were not improves them.

Your district selection leaves out Eve guys which has the potential to grow the connection and bring the orbital rain. I also just want to see your thoughts on that.

You get hellah lp for dropping obs in eve that right there is worth the trouble.

Eve players have no way to know which districts are open for orbitals unless they have specifically searched for Dust players.

LP payouts are based on Tier status. Currently dropping orbitals for Amarr / Minmatar / Caldari pretty much sucks. This is because tiers have become balanced on Amarr / Min front since the take over while Caldari still can not do much against the Gal.

Orbital drops pay little difference from a large plex for those factions at this point. The difference is dropping the OB requires them being able to locate the district, fly however many jumps hoping the battle lasts, hope the mercs on the ground actually call in the orbitals, and hope they do not get popped while the enemy faction knows they are a sitting duck in what is likely a terrible fitting.


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Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9470	Posted - 2015.03.28 02:39:00 - [1] - Quote https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-i67rT4xm-CUiZ2RyvQgrXvGV4XXkRD76gN8tyc0eAs/edit?usp=docslist_api Decided to rethink my vision on Faction Warfare completely from my 2013 Multi-Stage battle proposal. This one works much differently and all works on cleaning things up and prepping for the major overhaul which incorporates player ownership and base destruction but without the hassle of scheduled matches and lock timers. The mindset is to make FW it's own thing and not just a stepping stone to PC. I got to go now, I'll answer questions later. Already had a big discussion on Twitter which led to some revisions, so you can look that up @AeroYassavi Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9472	Posted - 2015.03.28 05:11:00 - [2] - Quote Jonny D Buelle wrote: First of all if this gets implemented I would reopen my corp doors for the Minmatar Factional Warfare. Mainly to pop Kador's tanks :P Now, in regards to rank up bonuses, would these be per faction or limited to only one? I only ask because I will be letting my corp know that we only fight for the Minmatar Republic and her ally, the Gallente Federation, and would not want them to miss out on these bonuses. Also would we lose the bonus or have to pay a fee if we switch sides? For example, we may have someone who prefers Amarrian gear over Matari and Gallentean so they may fight for the Empire (which would get them expelled from the Corp). At level 10, will there be other chances at gaining bonuses for that faction? Those are the only ones I could think of at the moment will post more when they come in. 1) per faction whenever you or your corp ranks up in faction loyalty. As it is now there's nothing stopping you from ranking up multiple factions 2) pay a fee to switch sides (fee available in ISK and AUR), but whatever side your corp picks simply gives you a bonus for that side, you can still play for the other three factions without the bonus 3) at level 10 I wanted something visual so that everyone on the warbarge and in battle knows you are dedicated to the faction. Haven't considered bonuses for level 10 (on top of the already max LP payout). Have any suggestions? Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9473	Posted - 2015.03.28 05:43:00 - [3] - Quote Weekly Loyalty/Faction Missions. Dust community had so many cool ideas! Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9475	Posted - 2015.03.28 16:19:00 - [4] - Quote LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote: Looks great Aero. A couple of notes: NO on removing the ISK cost. This makes being higher level more OP and would require an increase in price which would shut out lower level players who would be fighting the pure proto stomping level 8s - 10s. I would like to see your thoughts on an LP exchange system. I feel like this idea should be balanced in a way that you take a loss when exchanging but it is necessary to be able to really run an all faction suit. Amarr players right now for example can not purchase light damage mods. I do not see anything that offers Eve players incentive to come drop orbitals. Yes removing the player orbitals is VERY needed but that only goes back to how things were not improves them. Your district selection leaves out Eve guys which has the potential to grow the connection and bring the orbital rain. I also just want to see your thoughts on that. You get hellah lp for dropping obs in eve that right there is worth the trouble. Eve players have no way to know which districts are open for orbitals unless they have specifically searched for Dust players. LP payouts are based on Tier status. Currently dropping orbitals for Amarr / Minmatar / Caldari pretty much sucks. This is because tiers have become balanced on Amarr / Min front since the take over while Caldari still can not do much against the Gal. Orbital drops pay little difference from a large plex for those factions at this point. The difference is dropping the OB requires them being able to locate the district, fly however many jumps hoping the battle lasts, hope the mercs on the ground actually call in the orbitals, and hope they do not get popped while the enemy faction knows they are a sitting duck in what is likely a terrible fitting. Even at bottom tier EVE players get really good LP per orbital. I recall having multiple pilots on my side "fighting" to drop the OB nearly every time. It was a good system. As for EVE players not bring able to find districts, that's something that needs to be addressed EVE side, but chat channels work fine now. Absolutely hate the idea of loyalty point exchange. Why would the Republic Command offer an exchange rate for Imperial Guard loyalty points? If we ever get player trading I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to trading LP. Lastly, I still believe ISK needs to be removed from Faction Warfare. We could inflate the LP costs accordingly of course, but it needs to happen in my opinion. Worried about an unfair advantage higher ranked members get on payouts? Why? That should only encourage players to focus on one faction and level them up quickly. Will there be more high tier gear getting used? Absolutely! FW should be more intense than public matches, but that wouldn't make public matches useless. Basically pub matches for relaxed play with universal currency (ISK), FW for more intense play with some player control outside of just the battles, and PC for intense play for people who are into scheduling times to get on and play a video game. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9475	Posted - 2015.03.28 16:20:00 - [5] - Quote Knightshade Belladonna wrote: The only thing I got to say about Factional Warfare in Dust right now... make that ** find a game in a reasonable time....I literally tried for 2 hours the other day and could not get into one for Gallente. When in a full squad it sometimes only takes 5 minutes, but can still ake up to an hour.. ** all that noise That's why in Phase 1 of my proposal I add 8v8 matches to the mix. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9477	Posted - 2015.03.28 19:06:00 - [6] - Quote I know that the LP is split, but from my experience I'd someone was already following our squad the others wouldn't bother. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9491	Posted - 2015.03.30 02:15:00 - [7] - Quote knight guard fury wrote: I would also like to add that the factional suits and vehicles should be more racial based when it comes to color scheme instead of that camp texture and make them "stand out" more when worn on the battle field. Also I also have to disagree with the removal of isk removal on LP dropsuits prices, that wouldn't be right and even in eve you have to pay isk along with your LP Why do we have to follow EVE step for step? I pointed that out in the doc. Obviously LP prices would be inflated upon ISK removal Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9493	Posted - 2015.03.30 03:24:00 - [8] - Quote knight guard fury wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: knight guard fury wrote: I would also like to add that the factional suits and vehicles should be more racial based when it comes to color scheme instead of that camp texture and make them "stand out" more when worn on the battle field. Also I also have to disagree with the removal of isk removal on LP dropsuits prices, that wouldn't be right and even in eve you have to pay isk along with your LP Why do we have to follow EVE step for step? I pointed that out in the doc. Obviously LP prices would be inflated upon ISK removal If isk was removed from LP dropsuits everyone would farm LP to aquire dozens and dozens of proto LP dropsuits and so fourth And plus, think of it as a "tax" to your faction Can't you also farm ISK in pubs to buy proto suits? I don't see your argument. As long as the payouts and LP costs are balanced three should be no problems. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10	Posted - 2015.05.19 01:26:00 - [9] - Quote Wonder what people's opinions might be now as they put up with FW more to grind for new items. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10	Posted - 2015.05.19 01:57:00 - [10] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Wonder what people's opinions might be now as they put up with FW more to grind for new items. Still sh*t You have become the most unexpected troll but also the least efficient. Amarr Victor. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support