DUST Search - Fanfest 2015: My thoughts

Mobius Wyvern wrote:

Cross Atu wrote:

Paran Tadec wrote:

Mad Syringe wrote:

Ares 514 wrote:

Very useful post. I do however really hope the CPM is pushing for a PS4 port not a PC port.

That's exactly the point, I think there are many in the playerbase, who won't move over to PC, but have a PS4 or plan to buy one in the future. I personally won't put any more money in the game, before this decision is made, and backed.

the PS4 is a low end PC, they could easily port from PC to PS4. IF they could bring it to a new platform I might actually start playing it again.

On that general theme my stance has always been to support a port to both. This stance was stated plainly in my platform before the election and remains true now.

Being utterly blunt, as I have said elsewhere, community infighting about "which one" will happen is both detrimental and a waste of energy. In the end market analytics are more likely to decide which "one" if there is only one but a unified community with robust numbers/support for the game is more likely to get both than a divided community.

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The issue is that supporting both platforms will alienate a portion of users from both who don't want to be involved with the "rival faction", so to speak.

If the game supports both, PC players will refuse to play it because it's full of "console peasants", and console players will refused to play it because they don't want to deal with "elitist" PC gamers and hackers.


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Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4084	Posted - 2015.03.26 20:30:00 - [1] - Quote Leither Yiltron wrote: *Many reasoned but overly bitter things* The character limit requires me to truncate the above quote, so if you feel I have misrepresented any aspect of your statements then let us explore it further. We have talked about these themes on skype before so I feel I have some grounding and will proceed in that context. [Yes bitter is subjective, but you yourself said it applies so I'm running with it] I'll start with your criticism for CPM 1, I will flatly state that I find the foundation of it to be inaccurate. I have stated repeatedly on the forum, in game, on skype, and to CCP face to face at Fan Fest, that I think increased communication is vital and the process should be ongoing. The statement you made also seems to ignore the increases that have been made. Are they everything the community seeks for communication? No. But to dismiss progress essentially because it is not yet at the end goal seems flawed. I have certainly stated that I think the game is in a better state now and headed in a better direction now than it was prior to the current team, and I fully stand by that. If that honest assessment is classed as "cheer leading" then I would frankly say it seems bitterness has clouded your objectivity. Saying things are better than they were is not saying "ZOMG THINGS ARE AMAZING!!!111!!1!" or claiming that work is now done, but things have improved and dismissing that because they aren't yet were we want them serves no constructive purpose nor does it lend itself to the goal of a stronger iteration of Dust with a healthy future. Bemoaning the lack of new news at fan fest is, to be utterly blunt, a lack of reading the forum or a lack of understanding the statements made. CCP directly stated that fan fest was not going to supply big news about Dust this year, and when fan fest came there was no big news. This is not a sign of anything other than CCP R doing more to share information here as it happens rather than hording it for a "big reveal" at fan fest. That showman ship may serve PR but it does not serve the community and I frankly am glad for the change. I have pushed for this type of change since closed beta and I still support it now. As to CCP Rouge I did not know what to expect going into my CPM term, and I see no strong reason for those outside of the NDA information loop to have a clear idea either. That is frustrating but there are reasons (no not "reasons" actual reasons some of them logistical, some of them legal, all of the in flux) why we don't hear more from him on the forums, and while there are certain NDA limits on details I can say two things simply. 1. A major reason we don't hear from CCP Rouge is that he relies upon CCP Rattati to take the lead on communication when it comes to Dust (the project he is heading). 2. I will not claim to have full faith in CCP, and am hardly a fanboy, but all my information regarding CCP Rouge from throughout my CPM term has given me a great deal of faith in his goals and efforts on behalf of Dust 514. I know if I were reading this I would want more details and have a certain skepticism because of the holes in the information I could look at for myself. As such I do not expect my statement to be fully persuasive, it is however fully accurate and honest. Regarding the statements of CCP Hilmar ref Dust's profitable status. This is good news. Not just that the game is making money but that it is stated in interviews. Business is in many ways politics and while that means things remain in flux a lot of the time it also means small things can have farther implications. But lets break it down and be real here, no one who considered the matter could reasonably expect the 10 year plan for Dust to happen without a move off the PS3 some day. Which to be blunt means that if the game were not making money we would likely not see the longer term of that come to pass as transitions to new hardware, engine or architecture updates ect. all have costs. In some ways that sucks but it is a simple reality of the global economy in which we live. There is no way to pull the resources required to move Dust forward out of thin air, so the game needs to be able to generate those resources. Having CCP Hilmar give the nod to knowing the game is doing that may be a small thing, but it is a good one. As to misdirection, I'm baffled. I will not speak for anyone other than myself here but since you did not single me out as not included in your broad statements I must assume it is being applied until/unless you state otherwise. That being the case I do not see how I have made any misleading statements. I have attempted to be as direct as I am able. Are there things I don't know? Sure. Are there things I know that I am not at liberty to say? Obviously. Am I attempting to obfuscate anything or "spin" the reality as I know it? Absolutely not. Things are far from where I want them to be for Dust, but the current trend is the most positive one I have seen since prior to the fan fest of 2014. Is that a guarantee things will turn out well? Nope, I wish it were but it certainly is not. However nothing in life carries that kind of certainty and I for one will readily take "things are heading in a better direction" as a positive thing. But positive trend or no there's more work to be done, and some of it is work I'll be doing which I will get back to right now. My 0.02 ISK Cross See a cool idea thread? Mail me the title and I'll take a look =)
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4102	Posted - 2015.03.26 21:53:00 - [2] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: CPM has incredibly capable players on board, most of which are on this thread speaking to us. and they have plenty of supporters of there own helping them out who are all very capable, Kain, Leather, ect. I've no real complaints about the current CPM, even Zatara is pulling through. I feel for you guys, CCP mistakes highlight you guys negatively and put a stain in your effort to improve things. I sincerely hope a lot of you guys make it for another term, like Kevall and Cross. It's a shame Judge can't be replaced with a more aggressive speaker to the community, though. Oh I'm hooked, you crazy community folks, yes even the bitter ones (you know who you are ;) ) have gotten a lot of admiration from me for still being here and involved. Giving a kitten about the game even as mistakes are made, other games are released, and life still happens, is something that matters to me. So I'll be sticking around, in fact as of now the only thing I can see getting in the way of my seeking the communities approval for a second term as CPM is if my IRL job demands so much of my time that I feel I could not adequately do the job here for the community, but I hope that is not the case. What the kitten, I'll let you guys know if things change so I have to bow out but unless/until that comes to pass. Candidacy for CPM 2 confirmed. I want everything on my platform from the elections to be marked as done, and if that takes another term to round out the list, so be it. As ever priority number one remains being a worthwhile part of getting the constructive feedback of the community into the hands of CCP - hopefully in an actionable format. And that's all constructive feedback positive or negative, I don't care if it's a high five or a fish shake, just give it to me in a way I can use. Give me the reasoning and the details not just the conclusions and emotions, and I will do 'all the things' to help make something happen with it. Cheers, Cross See a cool idea thread? Mail me the title and I'll take a look =)
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4107	Posted - 2015.03.26 22:06:00 - [3] - Quote Golden Day wrote: Soo...... When will we get Drones?? I will - for now - answer that question with another question (because I can't very well shake my fist at CCP for over-promising and then do the same kitten myself now can I?), so... How would you mercs like a Drone survival mode? See a cool idea thread? Mail me the title and I'll take a look =)
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4114	Posted - 2015.03.26 22:23:00 - [4] - Quote Golden Day wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Cross Atu wrote: Golden Day wrote: Soo...... When will we get Drones?? I will - for now - answer that question with another question (because I can't very well shake my fist at CCP for over-promising and then do the same kitten myself now can I?), so... How would you mercs like a Drone survival mode? I need several towels... I wan't it Drone difficulty should be based if you are in highsec,lowsec,nullsec I'd personally love to see a scaled element where the longer you survive (limited clones etc) the harder the fight and any earnings from it scale with the 'wave' you reach. See a cool idea thread? Mail me the title and I'll take a look =)
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4114	Posted - 2015.03.26 22:37:00 - [5] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: Cross Atu wrote: Golden Day wrote: Soo...... When will we get Drones?? I will - for now - answer that question with another question (because I can't very well shake my fist at CCP for over-promising and then do the same kitten myself now can I?), so... How would you mercs like a Drone survival mode? I'd much rather them work on using those drones to build a really awesome tutorial. Sh1tty AI would actually be a feature instead of a bug in that circumstance. Having an awesome tutorial, and a test mode where we could deploy with infinite SP and everything costing 0 ISK so we could try out stuff before skilling into it, theory craft, find bugs, screw around with friends, learn to fly a dropship, etc. would he a lot better use of those resources in the short-medium term. Hell, Rattati could even release hot fixes into the test mode a week prior to posting them to the server so we could use it as a "pseudo test-server." That would result in smoother launches and help take pressure off of the QA team. Farming dumb AI drones for PvE would only hold my attention for a couple of hours at most. Long term, with sophisticated AI, that game mode could be interesting. But I don't think CCP has the resources to develop the AI to the level required for it to be fun/interesting. I think a test server would be even more doable, we wouldn't even need active drones for that we could use our current turrets for many of the basic things. Just tweak some stats, maybe some AI values and off we go, new place to test fittings and train new players. I think the hard part is spinning up matches like that because it would require different client logic, but my impression is that it's doable and unless I'm greatly mistaken it is something the Dust team wants to get into game for us and it's looking at options for. As always "want to do" and "can do" aren't guaranteed to be one and the same, but it is certainly on the radar as something worth doing in the method can be found. If we can get an even more sophisticated version using drones, all the better See a cool idea thread? Mail me the title and I'll take a look =)
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4158	Posted - 2015.03.28 07:13:00 - [6] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: Mad Syringe wrote: Ares 514 wrote: Very useful post. I do however really hope the CPM is pushing for a PS4 port not a PC port. That's exactly the point, I think there are many in the playerbase, who won't move over to PC, but have a PS4 or plan to buy one in the future. I personally won't put any more money in the game, before this decision is made, and backed. the PS4 is a low end PC, they could easily port from PC to PS4. IF they could bring it to a new platform I might actually start playing it again. On that general theme my stance has always been to support a port to both. This stance was stated plainly in my platform before the election and remains true now. Being utterly blunt, as I have said elsewhere, community infighting about "which one" will happen is both detrimental and a waste of energy. In the end market analytics are more likely to decide which "one" if there is only one but a unified community with robust numbers/support for the game is more likely to get both than a divided community. 0.02 ISK Cross See a cool idea thread? Mail me the title and I'll take a look =)
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4160	Posted - 2015.03.28 15:10:00 - [7] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: Cross Atu wrote: Golden Day wrote: Soo...... When will we get Drones?? I will - for now - answer that question with another question (because I can't very well shake my fist at CCP for over-promising and then do the same kitten myself now can I?), so... How would you mercs like a Drone survival mode? A drone survival mode? Does it involve getting stuck on terrain/objects, grenades bouncing of of clear air and crappy aiming mechanics? If so, i'll pass. Any news on Hilmar/Rouge/Rattati's positions on core fps mechanics? CCP Rattati has been looking into improving the core mechanics. The legacy code is frankly a mess but there are folks working on ways of sorting it out. It is a priority and I expect continued improvements to it. See a cool idea thread? Mail me the title and I'll take a look =)
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4160	Posted - 2015.03.28 15:14:00 - [8] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: PVE should exist in this game under only one circumstance: as PC district maintenance contracts. Dust needs the social interaction between high-end PC corps and low-end pve corps which that would engender. A contract system would be required to support it, which would in and of itself be a tremendously valuable immersion/community-building tool. If Rattai is serious about how to bring New Eden to Dust he won't find anything more immersive or that generates devtime payback than contracts/PC maintenance. I agree that it makes a good PC mechanic. I disagree that it should be exclusively employe there. The possible values of PvE for training, NPE, and the enjoyment of the general populace are far too meaningful to be locked behind a PC play barrier. Now how each of those those uses PvE interactions doesn't have to be carbon copied so there is room for unique experiences tailored to each type/style of use and were that the context I could certainly support PC PvE being distinct from NPE PvE and 'pub' PvE (which would also be differentiated from each other). See a cool idea thread? Mail me the title and I'll take a look =)
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4179	Posted - 2015.03.30 13:18:00 - [9] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Cross Atu wrote: Paran Tadec wrote: Mad Syringe wrote: Ares 514 wrote: Very useful post. I do however really hope the CPM is pushing for a PS4 port not a PC port. That's exactly the point, I think there are many in the playerbase, who won't move over to PC, but have a PS4 or plan to buy one in the future. I personally won't put any more money in the game, before this decision is made, and backed. the PS4 is a low end PC, they could easily port from PC to PS4. IF they could bring it to a new platform I might actually start playing it again. On that general theme my stance has always been to support a port to both. This stance was stated plainly in my platform before the election and remains true now. Being utterly blunt, as I have said elsewhere, community infighting about "which one" will happen is both detrimental and a waste of energy. In the end market analytics are more likely to decide which "one" if there is only one but a unified community with robust numbers/support for the game is more likely to get both than a divided community. 0.02 ISK Cross The issue is that supporting both platforms will alienate a portion of users from both who don't want to be involved with the "rival faction", so to speak. If the game supports both, PC players will refuse to play it because it's full of "console peasants", and console players will refused to play it because they don't want to deal with "elitist" PC gamers and hackers. Playing on both console and PC myself for many years I am well aware of the ludicrous feud that is maintained by some, even unto this day. However as I've discovered recently just because a group of people, or even two groups of people, on the internet do a thing does not actually mean that said thing makes any rational constructive sense. Having this community, of currently active players in Dust 514 seek to forcibly exclude a portion of our own based on their next gen hardware preference (be that desktop or console) is of no constructive merit. It impedes the current game and does nothing to define the format of the ported game except perhaps reduce the likelihood of a duel port. Even if a portion of each 'faction' refuses to play due to their 'rivals' being present (a very odd stance for those signing into a war game) that does not equate to a lower total potential player base than a port to a single platform. Further those who would take the route of refusing to play under a duel port system are not a very high priority segment of player base, indeed cannot be if their loyalty is more to the hardware than the game. Each hardware type provides many games, seeking to appease someone who may just as likely leave for "greener pastures" as stick around to be active is not the most savvy way to see Dust thrive. Where as supporting both opens the doors to those who have only one or the other hardware type (and not the funds to purchase a second) but still wish to play the game. The whole discussion may be moot, there may not be a duel port in the cards (much as I support one) and if that's the case then it will be a business decision, based more on market analytics than anything said on these forums, which defines where that port lands. In essence any way you slice it conducting the "console vs pc war" here on the Dust forums serves no viable constructive purpose, only a detrimental one (AFAIK) 0.02 ISK Cross See a cool idea thread? Mail me the title and I'll take a look =)