DUST Search - A quick question out of curiosity (for people who spec into AV)

Balistyc Farshot wrote:

I perform AV and we all know the best counter to a tank in the current meta is another tank.

AV requires a whole team to focus fire down one clone in a tank and that ties down multiple clones to achieve that. AV needs a buff, but the right AV is what needs a buff. They keep playing with swarms which is the biggest problem. If they made Forge guns, plasma cannons, and Proxy REs the anti tank AV there would be 0 complaints from skilled tankers because they would understand that skill was required to take them down.

Read the hulls post and you see they built tanks for tank to tank combat not tank to infantry. Most tankers are just now getting deep into the hardners and seeing that they are OP stacked on proto vehicles. Plus the blaster buff was not smart for AI.

I agree with the 3 classes of tank post. I also have been pushing for solo tanks to lose control of their main cannon and become drivers if they are keeping tanks in their current armored LAV mode. They need a clear role in combat and a clear counter that is not another tank.


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The Attorney General 2890	Posted - 2015.03.25 14:24:00 - [1] - Quote Vyzion Eyri wrote: I'm speccing into swarms soon and I have no delusions about being able to 'solo' a Madrugar with a blaster pointed at my face. What I do think I can do, though, is run a Minmatar logistics suit with swarms, AV nades, nanohives, and various proxies, and bait the tank into fighting me and running over those proxies, eating mouthfuls of AV nades, and swarms. As mentioned above, an unskilled tanker will most likely fall for it, a skilled tanker will watch me jump around and maybe wait until I make a mistake and blap me, or move on and leave me useless to my team. This guy gets it. He is using all the tools in the box, and his brain, to engage an armored vehicle. I wish his attitude would rub off on the crybabies. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
The Attorney General 2891	Posted - 2015.03.25 14:59:00 - [2] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: A tank with hardeners down should be relatively easy to solo for any equivalent AV. A tank with hardeners up should be a nigh unbreakable fortress that takes multiple people to kill. The issue now is that tanks can escape far too quickly and easily once their hardeners turn off. That's why we have balance problems. Imagine if a tank couldn't jet off over twice as fast as the fastest dropsuit. Imagine if infantry actually attacked from a good position? (Tank dies) Imagine if people who were trying to tackle a full tank actually brought an equal number of people? (Tank dies) The balance problems largely stem from the awful infantry practices in use, not the fact that a tank has a retreat option. Infantry can literally jump above the turret elevation of blaster tanks while they rain down av nades and plc shots, but the tank being somewhat able to retreat is the problem? You smokin'? Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
The Attorney General 2891	Posted - 2015.03.25 15:07:00 - [3] - Quote Balistyc Farshot wrote: I perform AV and we all know the best counter to a tank in the current meta is another tank. AV requires a whole team to focus fire down one clone in a tank and that ties down multiple clones to achieve that. AV needs a buff, but the right AV is what needs a buff. They keep playing with swarms which is the biggest problem. If they made Forge guns, plasma cannons, and Proxy REs the anti tank AV there would be 0 complaints from skilled tankers because they would understand that skill was required to take them down. Read the hulls post and you see they built tanks for tank to tank combat not tank to infantry. Most tankers are just now getting deep into the hardners and seeing that they are OP stacked on proto vehicles. Plus the blaster buff was not smart for AI. I agree with the 3 classes of tank post. I also have been pushing for solo tanks to lose control of their main cannon and become drivers if they are keeping tanks in their current armored LAV mode. They need a clear role in combat and a clear counter that is not another tank. AV does not require a whole team to focus fire. A single player, in a BPO suit, in a BPO LAV, with just the bare minimum of SP into demolitions can destroy any tank by touching it. As long as the don't drive right at the tank, they don't even have to tank the LAV at all. A single player, using those same demolitions skills can lay a set of proxy mines, carry a PLC and some AV nades and destroy a tank. This myth that you need a team of AV to drop a tank is perpetuated by bad players who refuse to even consider the idea that you might actually have to not suck to tackle a tank by yourself. But no, lets cater to the lowest common denominator and make it even easier for BPO suits with standard weapons to drop tanks. The scale of the tank doesn't matter, because they don't get any stronger as they go up in tier, so if you can kill a standard maddie, you can kill all tanks. AV needs a buff? No, av players need some understanding that I as a tanker am working very hard to not get into their wheelhouse, while still needing to be map away enough to not get JLAV'd while keeping my eyes peeled for dropships to make sure I have enough time to get to cover if I need to, while also making sure that I am actually being productive for my team. All the AV has to do, in their mind, is spawn in an AV suit and I should explode. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
The Attorney General 2903	Posted - 2015.03.26 21:10:00 - [4] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Let me turn that around on the OP... Why should a solo AV NOT be able to kill an HAV? They can. Now lets turn this around on to you: If you hate vehicles so much, and are too special ed to be able to kill them, why don't you just stick to ambush where the mean tanks can't get you? Mr. Hybrid Vayu.