DUST Search - A quick question out of curiosity (for people who spec into AV)

Takahiro Kashuken wrote:

Boot Booter wrote:

AV doesn't want to easily solo tanks they just want balance. Currently proto armor tanks are back to dominating infantry. Keep in mind that when you AV you have to deal with other infantry as well as the blaster turrets which insta pops anything. Even if you manage to get close to killing a tank, half the time they can just run away and leave you standing there like an idiot with nothing to do.

My solution would be to slow tanks down so they can't easily run but also give them a huge buff in hp. I don't like this current tank hit and run philosophy.

They want balance? HAH

So much bull, they come out with' SP/ISK shouldn't be a balancing factor' as there excuse for a 5mil SP 60k AV fit being able to solo a 1.2mil ISK HAV fit with 30mil SP into it.

Then it is always '1 player to 1 player' yet they stay quiet when i have 3 players in the HAV and 1 can solo it.

Don't mention the swarm launcher and the various bugs with it in which makes it the OP weapon of the game for the last 3 years and still has not been fixed yet is still the most popular AV weapon.

The JLAV still exists and can one shot any HAV no matter what build.

AV nades have 1 more nade and lai dai will wreck in less than 3seconds and that is what a x3 skill and costs 20k?

ADS got nerfed and swarms got buffed because they 'could fly away' from AV, it has no lock on warning, no countermeasures, not enough HP to tank mulitiple AV sources yet AV complained and yet again CCP catered to them and buffed the already easy mode swarms.

AV doesn't have to deal with other infantry when they are on top of a tower or building just camping, commandos have a light weapon, AV nades require 1 nade slot, PLC can kill infantry and a FG can too. So much for being defenceless.

A tank moves when it is being hit with too much AV, woe is me, #1st world problems. Tough. CCP has nerfed reps/boosters/base hp/extenders/plates/skills and skill bonuses which all lead to having a vehicle with less PG/CPU to fit on nerfed mods all because AV complain.

All because AV cannot work together and are consistantly camping on a roof trying to solo something with swarms.

Does AV really want to battle a slow moving behemoth HAV which may have 15k+ HP and enough slots to have decent fits and variety and be a moving fortress? No because it would be too hard for them, it would actually require teamwork, it would not be instant gratification.

61mil SP into vehicles and i could do more for cheaper if i was infantry.

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The above post is respectful, contains no ranting, contains no personal attacks, contains no trolling, contains no racism, contains no discrimination, contains no profanity, contains no spamming. This post is an opinion and is related to DUST514


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Boot Booter Titans of Phoenix 1228	Posted - 2015.03.25 04:26:00 - [1] - Quote AV doesn't want to easily solo tanks they just want balance. Currently proto armor tanks are back to dominating infantry. Keep in mind that when you AV you have to deal with other infantry as well as the blaster turrets which insta pops anything. Even if you manage to get close to killing a tank, half the time they can just run away and leave you standing there like an idiot with nothing to do. My solution would be to slow tanks down so they can't easily run but also give them a huge buff in hp. I don't like this current tank hit and run philosophy.
Boot Booter Titans of Phoenix 1242	Posted - 2015.03.25 17:12:00 - [2] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Boot Booter wrote: AV doesn't want to easily solo tanks they just want balance. Currently proto armor tanks are back to dominating infantry. Keep in mind that when you AV you have to deal with other infantry as well as the blaster turrets which insta pops anything. Even if you manage to get close to killing a tank, half the time they can just run away and leave you standing there like an idiot with nothing to do. My solution would be to slow tanks down so they can't easily run but also give them a huge buff in hp. I don't like this current tank hit and run philosophy. They want balance? HAH So much bull, they come out with' SP/ISK shouldn't be a balancing factor' as there excuse for a 5mil SP 60k AV fit being able to solo a 1.2mil ISK HAV fit with 30mil SP into it. Then it is always '1 player to 1 player' yet they stay quiet when i have 3 players in the HAV and 1 can solo it. Don't mention the swarm launcher and the various bugs with it in which makes it the OP weapon of the game for the last 3 years and still has not been fixed yet is still the most popular AV weapon. The JLAV still exists and can one shot any HAV no matter what build. AV nades have 1 more nade and lai dai will wreck in less than 3seconds and that is what a x3 skill and costs 20k? ADS got nerfed and swarms got buffed because they 'could fly away' from AV, it has no lock on warning, no countermeasures, not enough HP to tank mulitiple AV sources yet AV complained and yet again CCP catered to them and buffed the already easy mode swarms. AV doesn't have to deal with other infantry when they are on top of a tower or building just camping, commandos have a light weapon, AV nades require 1 nade slot, PLC can kill infantry and a FG can too. So much for being defenceless. A tank moves when it is being hit with too much AV, woe is me, #1st world problems. Tough. CCP has nerfed reps/boosters/base hp/extenders/plates/skills and skill bonuses which all lead to having a vehicle with less PG/CPU to fit on nerfed mods all because AV complain. All because AV cannot work together and are consistantly camping on a roof trying to solo something with swarms. Does AV really want to battle a slow moving behemoth HAV which may have 15k+ HP and enough slots to have decent fits and variety and be a moving fortress? No because it would be too hard for them, it would actually require teamwork, it would not be instant gratification. 61mil SP into vehicles and i could do more for cheaper if i was infantry. Disclaimer: The above post is respectful, contains no ranting, contains no personal attacks, contains no trolling, contains no racism, contains no discrimination, contains no profanity, contains no spamming. This post is an opinion and is related to DUST514 We are trying to have a constructive conversation here. Every respectable player just wants balance at this point in the game. A good AV character can easily cost 30 mil sp. Think about weapons, proficiency, nades, core upgrades, equipments, and the suit itself. Furthermore, while an AV suit may indeed be cheaper, they will also die many times trying to take down tanks. That's good and fine with me. However let not kid ourselves, a proto tank with a good pilot can roll around dominating the field with little resistance. Part of this is the large blaster being too good at AI again, like someone else said. The ADS is a little weak, however they are still very effective at killing. In a competitive environment they can be a huge issue for ground troops and require an AV man to keep it away. That 1 player neutralizing 1 player, balance. I'm not going to address all your comments but I'll finish with yes, I'd rather see HAVs being a slow moving fortress. I saw an interesting post the other day that proposed new modules for tanks to support infantry. These included a nanite cluster which healed nearby infantry or supplied ammo. Couple this with mcrus and we have a new interactive dynamic between AV and vehicles. Part of the reason the two are so hard to balance is because they are so polarized, I. E. Very different playstyles and mindsets with little connection.