DUST Search - I'm pretty disappointed with eve's view of dust.

LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote:

MINA Longstrike wrote:

Cat Merc wrote:

Umm, the top comments don't seem that hostile towards console gaming? If at all?

Re-looking through the comments, I am perhaps being a bit knee-jerky. However I have dealt with plenty of people that very much get off on the 'you took our sub money' and 'console players are all children' type arguments.

I still want to see some sort of cooperative goals that would lead to a respected and 'needed' dust community among eve players. I very much have got the feeling that part of the reason that dust gets the flack it does, is because we've been held at arms length, or devs have been paralyzed by 'vision'.

Having talked with lots of Eve players about Dust I can understand where you would have expected certain things to be said.

I have found that many low sec players do not dislike Dust itself but they have a serious problem with the Planetary Conquest players who have sort of become the representatives of Dust. Their words ranged from "whiny" and "cry babies" to "useless" and "arrogant". I was able to witness a bit of the activity that gives them this impression and can not say I disagree. What it comes down to is anyone in Eve that gets involved with planetary conquest players ends up witnessing the stupidity and the drama that goes along with the sillyness we take part in to make PC interesting.

If you want to see Eve care about Dust you want to see the factional warfare ties strengthened. This include but is not limited to removing normal OBs from FW so that when an Eve player is overhead their OB actually gets dropped, making it so that Dust is able to select districts to attack so that Eve players have a reason to reach out, and creating a secondary militia channel that Dust players can pledge to a faction to join and Eve players can go there and ask for certain districts to be taken or defended.

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MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 2414	Posted - 2015.03.21 23:03:00 - [1] - Quote I don't normally like trying to drum up a witch-hunt, but I've encountered more 'master race' bigots in eve than I care to admit. Image Comments I want this perception to change. How do we get it there? Is it a problem with dusts vision or eves view of it? Do we need cooperative goals that force eve players / corps / alliances to rely on dust players to get the things they want, or will the golden child syndrome of eve prevent us from ever affecting 'their' game? Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 15696	Posted - 2015.03.21 23:23:00 - [2] - Quote Umm, the top comments don't seem that hostile towards console gaming? If at all? Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 5994	Posted - 2015.03.21 23:26:00 - [3] - Quote Burn their ships (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
7th Son 7 BLITZKRIEG7 586	Posted - 2015.03.21 23:28:00 - [4] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: I don't normally like trying to drum up a witch-hunt, but I've encountered more 'master race' bigots in eve than I care to admit. Image Comments I want this perception to change. How do we get it there? Is it a problem with dusts vision or eves view of it? Do we need cooperative goals that force eve players / corps / alliances to rely on dust players to get the things they want, or will the golden child syndrome of eve prevent us from ever affecting 'their' game? If Dust protected new players coming out of Academy better I feel player numbers could've been better since it's release date. For ex: players would stay in the Academy with players like them until they hit 3 mil SP, or something like that. It's going to be tough getting new players now to view it diff, Dust is coming to an end and the next gen console's are out. Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy if possible........--- Stonewall Jackson
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens 3492	Posted - 2015.03.21 23:28:00 - [5] - Quote I believe what the OP is getting at, Cat Merc, is "the average DUST player is prepubescent." EVE players have done "Daddy loves me more!" with DUST from the beginning. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
byte modal 131	Posted - 2015.03.21 23:47:00 - [6] - Quote I'm with Cat... what am I missing? There was a post or two with minor assumptions (which IMHO are pretty fair, and never hostile when countered), but compared to what is typically thrown out here in the GD forums among ourselves, it's pretty mellow. I mean, any given day here is like piranhas eating their young and then blaming them for not swimming faster. but. in a forum. iderno. =\ p.s. cat merc: i still can't get this p.ss smell out of my last post. <3 kitten bacon taco (nom)
Stormblade Green KnightKiller's inc. 55	Posted - 2015.03.21 23:52:00 - [7] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Burn their ships I wish we could shoot back at them like they can shoot down on us and cause damage.... Some surface to space cannons would be nice in FW.... One might say... I'm very skilled... yet I'm his apprentice... So what does that say about my mentor?
Golden Day Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 1216	Posted - 2015.03.21 23:56:00 - [8] - Quote Lol that one guy with the neck beard at the end looking super serious..... That momment when CCP Frame makes a horrible joke *( -í° -£-û -í°)*
Clone D Solo Zen 1635	Posted - 2015.03.21 23:56:00 - [9] - Quote 7th Son 7 wrote: If Dust protected new players coming out of Academy better I feel player numbers could've been better since it's release date. For ex: players would stay in the Academy with players like them until they hit 3 mil SP, or something like that. It's going to be tough getting new players now to view it diff, Dust is coming to an end and the next gen console's are out. This would make a superb sub game directive for vets. Protect the noobs on your team and make the game actually palatable for them as you demonstrate how to dominate every tactical situation. REALLY TOO BAD THAT WE DON'T HAVE PROXIMITY CHAT!!!
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 2415	Posted - 2015.03.22 00:00:00 - [10] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Umm, the top comments don't seem that hostile towards console gaming? If at all? Re-looking through the comments, I am perhaps being a bit knee-jerky. However I have dealt with plenty of people that very much get off on the 'you took our sub money' and 'console players are all children' type arguments. I still want to see some sort of cooperative goals that would lead to a respected and 'needed' dust community among eve players. I very much have got the feeling that part of the reason that dust gets the flack it does, is because we've been held at arms length, or devs have been paralyzed by 'vision'. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.

Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2574	Posted - 2015.03.22 00:04:00 - [11] - Quote Read it all. It seemed pretty understanding of the Dust player's plight, imo. PSN: RationalSpark
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 7489	Posted - 2015.03.22 00:07:00 - [12] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: I don't normally like trying to drum up a witch-hunt, but I've encountered more 'master race' bigots in eve than I care to admit. Image Comments I want this perception to change. How do we get it there? Is it a problem with dusts vision or eves view of it? Do we need cooperative goals that force eve players / corps / alliances to rely on dust players to get the things they want, or will the golden child syndrome of eve prevent us from ever affecting 'their' game? Yes EVE Players just love a game they do not play having a negative effect on the game they do play... CBM Get your Dust ISK here Buying Dead & Inactive Corps
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 2415	Posted - 2015.03.22 00:29:00 - [13] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: I don't normally like trying to drum up a witch-hunt, but I've encountered more 'master race' bigots in eve than I care to admit. Image Comments I want this perception to change. How do we get it there? Is it a problem with dusts vision or eves view of it? Do we need cooperative goals that force eve players / corps / alliances to rely on dust players to get the things they want, or will the golden child syndrome of eve prevent us from ever affecting 'their' game? Yes EVE Players just love a game they do not play having a "Forced" negative effect on the game they do play... Ah yes, I fully expected that someone like you would show up and try to downplay the statement of cooperative goals. Aren't you practically a full time eve player now? I suppose if you are intent on resenting cooperative goals they'll be 'negative' no matter what's said. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5555	Posted - 2015.03.22 00:34:00 - [14] - Quote EVE is a game on PC. Dust is a game on console. The master race mentality was not only expected, but guaranteed. "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast www.biomassed.net
Ghost Kaisar Negative-Feedback 10755	Posted - 2015.03.22 01:31:00 - [15] - Quote Clone D wrote: 7th Son 7 wrote: If Dust protected new players coming out of Academy better I feel player numbers could've been better since it's release date. For ex: players would stay in the Academy with players like them until they hit 3 mil SP, or something like that. It's going to be tough getting new players now to view it diff, Dust is coming to an end and the next gen console's are out. This would make a superb sub game directive for vets. Protect the noobs on your team and make the game actually palatable for them as you demonstrate how to dominate every tactical situation. REALLY TOO BAD THAT WE DON'T HAVE PROXIMITY CHAT!!! If we had prox chat, I'd turn into a foul mouthed drill sergeant. Just yelling at blue dots non stop and trying to make them better in the short time we have allotted. Currently listening to: Max Anarchy OST Old School Scout, watch out for the knives
Mobius Wyvern Sky-FIRE 5859	Posted - 2015.03.22 01:42:00 - [16] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: I don't normally like trying to drum up a witch-hunt, but I've encountered more 'master race' bigots in eve than I care to admit. Image Comments I want this perception to change. How do we get it there? Is it a problem with dusts vision or eves view of it? Do we need cooperative goals that force eve players / corps / alliances to rely on dust players to get the things they want, or will the golden child syndrome of eve prevent us from ever affecting 'their' game? I'm with Cat Merc. The top comments seem to be talking about kids in general and then discussing what it takes to get into EVE. That being said, what has this game ever done to deserve anything other than derision from EVE players? Its primary link to EVE is only of benefit to the EVE player in Faction Warfare (orbital strikes), and the Starbase bonuses from PC structures are so negligible that no EVE player has any reason to care about them. Dust can barely be called part of New Eden at all. I support Keshava for Gallente Specialist HAV R.I.P. Kesha
Operative 1174 Uuali Y.A.M.A.H 533	Posted - 2015.03.22 01:56:00 - [17] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: I don't normally like trying to drum up a witch-hunt, but I've encountered more 'master race' bigots in eve than I care to admit. Image Comments I want this perception to change. How do we get it there? Is it a problem with dusts vision or eves view of it? Do we need cooperative goals that force eve players / corps / alliances to rely on dust players to get the things they want, or will the golden child syndrome of eve prevent us from ever affecting 'their' game? Lol, it was there from the beginning, and by beginning I mean when DUST was first announcedGÇª EVER! The reason is that it is a whole different game, a "fast twitch" game. That is laughable to people that play EVE because EVE does not depend on fast twitch aiming mechanics. I agreed with them then and I agree with them now. I am willing to play DUST, but the type of game it is isn't really my cup of tea. I further dislike the begging for and actual development that has been made toward making it even more of a silly fast twitch shooter game than it has to be. When DUST development changed to console that was it. Even EVE players willing to play it before laughed and said no way to buying a console. I was one of them. I bought a console for my kids because it is a kid thing to me. I wanted to play DUST so I have begrugingly accepted having to play it on console and to watch it turn more and more into an arena shooter. Death is a serious businessGÇª So is running a shoddy, half-baked game company.
Monty Mole Clone Ametat Security Amarr Empire 286	Posted - 2015.03.22 02:23:00 - [18] - Quote thats me on the far left ripping **** up Dust 514 hurts Go Fabulous or go home
Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 93	Posted - 2015.03.22 02:31:00 - [19] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: I don't normally like trying to drum up a witch-hunt, but I've encountered more 'master race' bigots in eve than I care to admit. Image Comments I want this perception to change. How do we get it there? Is it a problem with dusts vision or eves view of it? Do we need cooperative goals that force eve players / corps / alliances to rely on dust players to get the things they want, or will the golden child syndrome of eve prevent us from ever affecting 'their' game? Dust didn't get to where it wanted to be so I'm not surprised EVE players look down on it. At the same time the game has NO connection to eve whatsoever and we can't even communicate with the eve playerbase. We need the cooperative missions with eve players and the link that should exist but doesn't in dust. we need a port dust to PC or legion or both +20 Million SP Merc Caldari Loyalist Of course we won, now when do I get paid?
Monty Mole Clone Ametat Security Amarr Empire 286	Posted - 2015.03.22 02:40:00 - [20] - Quote Cypher Nil wrote: we need to port dust to PC or legion or both no, what we need is to port eve to console Dust 514 hurts Go Fabulous or go home

MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 2415	Posted - 2015.03.22 02:50:00 - [21] - Quote Monty Mole Clone wrote: Cypher Nil wrote: we need to port dust to PC or legion or both no, what we need is to port eve to console Nah, we need a new game* named 'Adam' ported to console, with current pc development stopped and no transfers of characters or progression :) But seriously, cooperative objectives. Special resources accessible only through dust? Special dust contracts to clear drone infestations for planetary interaction for x time? Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Monty Mole Clone Ametat Security Amarr Empire 286	Posted - 2015.03.22 02:54:00 - [22] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Monty Mole Clone wrote: Cypher Nil wrote: we need to port dust to PC or legion or both no, what we need is to port eve to console Nah, we need a new game* named 'Adam' ported to console, with current pc development stopped and no transfers of characters or progression :) But seriously, cooperative objectives. Special resources accessible only through dust? Special dust contracts to clear drone infestations for planetary interaction for x time? lol, but seriously so long as eve stays on pc it will just be some obscure neckbeard game that nobody takes seriously Dust 514 hurts Go Fabulous or go home
First Prophet Nos Nothi 2745	Posted - 2015.03.22 04:07:00 - [23] - Quote Oh god the top comments are so smug I can't handle it. It's like they play EVE while driving Priuses. People find this this review helpful!
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1898	Posted - 2015.03.22 04:37:00 - [24] - Quote Those are the car's that you don't have to put gas in ??? Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1898	Posted - 2015.03.22 04:38:00 - [25] - Quote JK . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
VAHZZ 979	Posted - 2015.03.22 04:48:00 - [26] - Quote First Prophet wrote: Oh god the top comments are so smug I can't handle it. It's like they play EVE while driving Priuses. The have their nose in the air like they smell divine sht. *I'd rather look bad winning, than look good losing.* Closed Beta Vet
P14GU3 UNIVERSAL C.A.R.N.A.G.E 1373	Posted - 2015.03.22 04:49:00 - [27] - Quote PC players are big fish is small ponds. They hate to admit in a granduer scheme, they aren't as grand as they seem. True story, I used to be one... 'Sault AK.0 - Logi AK.0 - Logi GK.0 - Scout GK.0 - 'Mando MK.0 - Masshole in every sense of the word.
CELESTA AUNGM Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 503	Posted - 2015.03.22 06:25:00 - [28] - Quote SOME amount of Racial bigotry will always be necessary, I think. (Thank goodness it's only in a game that I should be suggesting bigotry as "necessary" ). Beyond the fact that Lore and storyline has built Race and Separation of Races to be the core explanation for war in New Eden,GÇª there is always the underlying disdain that PC'ers had for "giving the first chance to set foot on New Eden dirt" to a Console-player community. Consolers?! Those primatives?!!! LOL There's still a debate about how much the second suggestion ever really exists, but I still say retaining SOME of it is healthy for Dusters. CCP seems genuinely set on making Planetary Conquest solid. For EVE Capsuleer players to value hiring Dust players, they are going to have to feel they NEED us to obtain the district real estate they hungrily want. Any envy that PS3 players can do something EVE players can't, and any dislike that comes from looking down on a person who you know in your heart you NEED in order to acquire power for you,GÇª helps promote that tension-filled mercenary relationship between us. Hopefully CCP will perfect the other end of that "we NEED the Dust players" dynamic by tweaking the necessary stuff in EVE-Online. So, go ahead Capsuleers. If you "love" me, let me know it. Universe of good wishes for the 49, especially CCP Eterne... No story can have life without writers and publishers.
DUST Fiend 16158	Posted - 2015.03.22 06:26:00 - [29] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: PC players are big fish is small ponds. They hate to admit in a granduer scheme, they aren't as grand as they seem. True story, I used to be one... Except, we have Star Citizen Contests, Sales, Writing etc Fly Safe
LOOKMOM NOHANDS Warpoint Sharx 317	Posted - 2015.03.22 08:36:00 - [30] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Umm, the top comments don't seem that hostile towards console gaming? If at all? Re-looking through the comments, I am perhaps being a bit knee-jerky. However I have dealt with plenty of people that very much get off on the 'you took our sub money' and 'console players are all children' type arguments. I still want to see some sort of cooperative goals that would lead to a respected and 'needed' dust community among eve players. I very much have got the feeling that part of the reason that dust gets the flack it does, is because we've been held at arms length, or devs have been paralyzed by 'vision'. Having talked with lots of Eve players about Dust I can understand where you would have expected certain things to be said. I have found that many low sec players do not dislike Dust itself but they have a serious problem with the Planetary Conquest players who have sort of become the representatives of Dust. Their words ranged from "whiny" and "cry babies" to "useless" and "arrogant". I was able to witness a bit of the activity that gives them this impression and can not say I disagree. What it comes down to is anyone in Eve that gets involved with planetary conquest players ends up witnessing the stupidity and the drama that goes along with the sillyness we take part in to make PC interesting. If you want to see Eve care about Dust you want to see the factional warfare ties strengthened. This include but is not limited to removing normal OBs from FW so that when an Eve player is overhead their OB actually gets dropped, making it so that Dust is able to select districts to attack so that Eve players have a reason to reach out, and creating a secondary militia channel that Dust players can pledge to a faction to join and Eve players can go there and ask for certain districts to be taken or defended.

Tech Ohm Eaven Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 1783	Posted - 2015.03.22 09:03:00 - [31] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: I don't normally like trying to drum up a witch-hunt, but I've encountered more 'master race' bigots in eve than I care to admit. Image Comments I want this perception to change. How do we get it there? Is it a problem with dusts vision or eves view of it? Do we need cooperative goals that force eve players / corps / alliances to rely on dust players to get the things they want, or will the golden child syndrome of eve prevent us from ever affecting 'their' game? what you are missing? cartoons i.e. dusts 514 view of a merc going to visit an EVE Corporate hub honorable, competent, precise worthy of praise eves view of a dust 514 merc coming to visit an EVE Corporate hub whos been a good weapon!, thats a good weapon!, heres some free iskies!, sit, sit, sit,...good weapon!,
GLOBAL RAGE Consolidated Dust 142	Posted - 2015.03.22 09:12:00 - [32] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Monty Mole Clone wrote: Cypher Nil wrote: we need to port dust to PC or legion or both no, what we need is to port eve to console Nah, we need a new game* named 'Adam' ported to console, with current pc development stopped and no transfers of characters or progression :) But seriously, cooperative objectives. Special resources accessible only through dust? Special dust contracts to clear drone infestations for planetary interaction for x time? Why not just allow DUST & Valk players to fly in EVE space? VR is coming to the PS4, and DUST players in the EVE class of ships known as "Mordu's Legion" are no real threat to EVE players. We would be self sufficient and fleas to EVE'ers and provide the new demographic that CCP needs for the long term. Heretics build that jump gate, but fix your laggy assed game first!
Tech Ohm Eaven Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 1783	Posted - 2015.03.22 09:17:00 - [33] - Quote LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Umm, the top comments don't seem that hostile towards console gaming? If at all? Re-looking through the comments, I am perhaps being a bit knee-jerky. However I have dealt with plenty of people that very much get off on the 'you took our sub money' and 'console players are all children' type arguments. I still want to see some sort of cooperative goals that would lead to a respected and 'needed' dust community among eve players. I very much have got the feeling that part of the reason that dust gets the flack it does, is because we've been held at arms length, or devs have been paralyzed by 'vision'. Having talked with lots of Eve players about Dust I can understand where you would have expected certain things to be said. I have found that many low sec players do not dislike Dust itself but they have a serious problem with the Planetary Conquest players who have sort of become the representatives of Dust. Their words ranged from "whiny" and "cry babies" to "useless" and "arrogant". I was able to witness a bit of the activity that gives them this impression and can not say I disagree. What it comes down to is anyone in Eve that gets involved with planetary conquest players ends up witnessing the stupidity and the drama that goes along with the sillyness we take part in to make PC interesting. If you want to see Eve care about Dust you want to see the factional warfare ties strengthened. This include but is not limited to removing normal OBs from FW so that when an Eve player is overhead their OB actually gets dropped, making it so that Dust is able to select districts to attack so that Eve players have a reason to reach out, and creating a secondary militia channel that Dust players can pledge to a faction to join and Eve players can go there and ask for certain districts to be taken or defended. no its due to idiocy like this that eve players look at dust 514 players with disdain close to looking at a smart PET pc conquest mode eve player....''we just killed a green homo ranger'' eve player....''what the hell is going on down there?'' and so on and so forth till dust 514 players get looked at the same way a window licker is looked at by eve players
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 2416	Posted - 2015.03.22 12:19:00 - [34] - Quote ^theres just as many stupid corps in eve, particularly carebear corps. I regularly ran into a 'brony' corp in kakakela and bronies are the scum of the earth. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2581	Posted - 2015.03.22 12:53:00 - [35] - Quote It's like having nukes or strategic resources IRL - and until we have both we are just so much ground-grease to lube gears that EVE doesn't need lubing anyway. One thing i'm 100% in agreement with Ratatti on is that Dust needs a strategic resource that matters in both games and generates synergies of power for ground/space alliances. PSN: RationalSpark
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5465	Posted - 2015.03.22 16:40:00 - [36] - Quote EVE-side development of the EVE-Dust link is currently frozen. Usually banned for being too awesome.
Avinash Decker Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 190	Posted - 2015.03.22 17:28:00 - [37] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: EVE-side development of the EVE-Dust link is currently frozen. Some need to keep in mind that if the development team of Eve online isn't keen on developing Eve-Dust link; then it isn't going to happen at all. Right know and in the foreseeable future it looks like Eve isn't interested at all.
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 581	Posted - 2015.03.22 18:07:00 - [38] - Quote What I've heard from EVE players during my short 3 month stint in EVE, was that they'd like to have defensive bonuses when their corp is holding districts in a system. That would make sense aswell, since in one of the first trailers, the Skyfire Battery was one of the assets that was fought over. Why not make the skyfire batteries on the surface a additional defense of the Stations or POS. I also agree, that we need control over a resource, that EVE players would need for decisive ship systems, or certain tiers of ship resources. This would get EVE guys into Dust very fast, since resources are what it's about in EVE. My biggest concern aabout all real time connections betwheen EVE and Dust, is the lag, since EVE is a single shard universe, and there can be thousands of ships in a single battle, that would be horrible for a realtime fps game if even slight lag is coming with that. I already seems, that all gamemodes, that involve OB pliots are having much more lag than pub matches. I think that a big reason for that is the EVE DUST link. Same Problem goes for Valkyrie, this game won't work with EVE Valk connection, since in the big eve battles, there is a feature called time delation, which is not feasable in an FPS game. I only works because of clickedeeclick gameplay in EVE.


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