DUST Search - I'm pretty disappointed with eve's view of dust.

LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote:

MINA Longstrike wrote:

Cat Merc wrote:

Umm, the top comments don't seem that hostile towards console gaming? If at all?

Re-looking through the comments, I am perhaps being a bit knee-jerky. However I have dealt with plenty of people that very much get off on the 'you took our sub money' and 'console players are all children' type arguments.

I still want to see some sort of cooperative goals that would lead to a respected and 'needed' dust community among eve players. I very much have got the feeling that part of the reason that dust gets the flack it does, is because we've been held at arms length, or devs have been paralyzed by 'vision'.

Having talked with lots of Eve players about Dust I can understand where you would have expected certain things to be said.

I have found that many low sec players do not dislike Dust itself but they have a serious problem with the Planetary Conquest players who have sort of become the representatives of Dust. Their words ranged from "whiny" and "cry babies" to "useless" and "arrogant". I was able to witness a bit of the activity that gives them this impression and can not say I disagree. What it comes down to is anyone in Eve that gets involved with planetary conquest players ends up witnessing the stupidity and the drama that goes along with the sillyness we take part in to make PC interesting.

If you want to see Eve care about Dust you want to see the factional warfare ties strengthened. This include but is not limited to removing normal OBs from FW so that when an Eve player is overhead their OB actually gets dropped, making it so that Dust is able to select districts to attack so that Eve players have a reason to reach out, and creating a secondary militia channel that Dust players can pledge to a faction to join and Eve players can go there and ask for certain districts to be taken or defended.

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Tech Ohm Eaven Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 1783	Posted - 2015.03.22 09:03:00 - [31] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: I don't normally like trying to drum up a witch-hunt, but I've encountered more 'master race' bigots in eve than I care to admit. Image Comments I want this perception to change. How do we get it there? Is it a problem with dusts vision or eves view of it? Do we need cooperative goals that force eve players / corps / alliances to rely on dust players to get the things they want, or will the golden child syndrome of eve prevent us from ever affecting 'their' game? what you are missing? cartoons i.e. dusts 514 view of a merc going to visit an EVE Corporate hub honorable, competent, precise worthy of praise eves view of a dust 514 merc coming to visit an EVE Corporate hub whos been a good weapon!, thats a good weapon!, heres some free iskies!, sit, sit, sit,...good weapon!,
GLOBAL RAGE Consolidated Dust 142	Posted - 2015.03.22 09:12:00 - [32] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Monty Mole Clone wrote: Cypher Nil wrote: we need to port dust to PC or legion or both no, what we need is to port eve to console Nah, we need a new game* named 'Adam' ported to console, with current pc development stopped and no transfers of characters or progression :) But seriously, cooperative objectives. Special resources accessible only through dust? Special dust contracts to clear drone infestations for planetary interaction for x time? Why not just allow DUST & Valk players to fly in EVE space? VR is coming to the PS4, and DUST players in the EVE class of ships known as "Mordu's Legion" are no real threat to EVE players. We would be self sufficient and fleas to EVE'ers and provide the new demographic that CCP needs for the long term. Heretics build that jump gate, but fix your laggy assed game first!
Tech Ohm Eaven Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 1783	Posted - 2015.03.22 09:17:00 - [33] - Quote LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Umm, the top comments don't seem that hostile towards console gaming? If at all? Re-looking through the comments, I am perhaps being a bit knee-jerky. However I have dealt with plenty of people that very much get off on the 'you took our sub money' and 'console players are all children' type arguments. I still want to see some sort of cooperative goals that would lead to a respected and 'needed' dust community among eve players. I very much have got the feeling that part of the reason that dust gets the flack it does, is because we've been held at arms length, or devs have been paralyzed by 'vision'. Having talked with lots of Eve players about Dust I can understand where you would have expected certain things to be said. I have found that many low sec players do not dislike Dust itself but they have a serious problem with the Planetary Conquest players who have sort of become the representatives of Dust. Their words ranged from "whiny" and "cry babies" to "useless" and "arrogant". I was able to witness a bit of the activity that gives them this impression and can not say I disagree. What it comes down to is anyone in Eve that gets involved with planetary conquest players ends up witnessing the stupidity and the drama that goes along with the sillyness we take part in to make PC interesting. If you want to see Eve care about Dust you want to see the factional warfare ties strengthened. This include but is not limited to removing normal OBs from FW so that when an Eve player is overhead their OB actually gets dropped, making it so that Dust is able to select districts to attack so that Eve players have a reason to reach out, and creating a secondary militia channel that Dust players can pledge to a faction to join and Eve players can go there and ask for certain districts to be taken or defended. no its due to idiocy like this that eve players look at dust 514 players with disdain close to looking at a smart PET pc conquest mode eve player....''we just killed a green homo ranger'' eve player....''what the hell is going on down there?'' and so on and so forth till dust 514 players get looked at the same way a window licker is looked at by eve players
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 2416	Posted - 2015.03.22 12:19:00 - [34] - Quote ^theres just as many stupid corps in eve, particularly carebear corps. I regularly ran into a 'brony' corp in kakakela and bronies are the scum of the earth. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2581	Posted - 2015.03.22 12:53:00 - [35] - Quote It's like having nukes or strategic resources IRL - and until we have both we are just so much ground-grease to lube gears that EVE doesn't need lubing anyway. One thing i'm 100% in agreement with Ratatti on is that Dust needs a strategic resource that matters in both games and generates synergies of power for ground/space alliances. PSN: RationalSpark
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5465	Posted - 2015.03.22 16:40:00 - [36] - Quote EVE-side development of the EVE-Dust link is currently frozen. Usually banned for being too awesome.
Avinash Decker Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 190	Posted - 2015.03.22 17:28:00 - [37] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: EVE-side development of the EVE-Dust link is currently frozen. Some need to keep in mind that if the development team of Eve online isn't keen on developing Eve-Dust link; then it isn't going to happen at all. Right know and in the foreseeable future it looks like Eve isn't interested at all.
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 581	Posted - 2015.03.22 18:07:00 - [38] - Quote What I've heard from EVE players during my short 3 month stint in EVE, was that they'd like to have defensive bonuses when their corp is holding districts in a system. That would make sense aswell, since in one of the first trailers, the Skyfire Battery was one of the assets that was fought over. Why not make the skyfire batteries on the surface a additional defense of the Stations or POS. I also agree, that we need control over a resource, that EVE players would need for decisive ship systems, or certain tiers of ship resources. This would get EVE guys into Dust very fast, since resources are what it's about in EVE. My biggest concern aabout all real time connections betwheen EVE and Dust, is the lag, since EVE is a single shard universe, and there can be thousands of ships in a single battle, that would be horrible for a realtime fps game if even slight lag is coming with that. I already seems, that all gamemodes, that involve OB pliots are having much more lag than pub matches. I think that a big reason for that is the EVE DUST link. Same Problem goes for Valkyrie, this game won't work with EVE Valk connection, since in the big eve battles, there is a feature called time delation, which is not feasable in an FPS game. I only works because of clickedeeclick gameplay in EVE.


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