DUST Search - Stop Backing Out Of The Match

GLOBAL RAGE wrote:

Crimson Moon V wrote:

Krixus Flux wrote:

Crimson Moon V wrote:

I can't believe what I am seeing. I have said it before and I will say it again. This community has some of the worst players in the history of FPS gaming. I hope you are proud of yourself. 2 or 3 good players can turn around a proto stomp. If you are low SP that's different. If you have proto and you are backing out because there are people on the other team with the same gear, then you shouldn't be playing fps at all. I would recommend the adventure time game.

Playing in losing battles is where you really learn how to fight off your back. No one is going to be on top all the time. You need to know how to fight off your back. That's what separates good players from legends. Being able to adapt to any situation no matter how terrible it is.

Lol reading your post then read your other thread. Night and day.

I know. I'm a madman. Lol

Multiple personality disorder.

Well low sp players are going to ragequit either way. They should ragequit, ccp doesn't deserve a larger playerbase or any extra money. Not like they can compete anyways. When high sp players do it I just find it pathetic.

Ahrendee lag fantastic squad playing on public Wi-Fi, or parasiting of the local MaDonalds.

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CELESTA AUNGM Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 503	Posted - 2015.03.22 08:01:00 - [61] - Quote A very nice effort, Summa. Like I observed and predicted in an earlier thread, I think you are on your way to being one of the Dust Masters. Realistically, your attempts will only motivate SOME of the players who read this. There'll be a portion of players (especially among the New players) who were hoping to find a new game where they can succeed in run-n-gun, but find that Dust allows even run-n-gun masters to get humiliated and eaten during their first 3 months. There'll also be some players who never recover from the initial shock of getting killed so many times per match, and now wince whenever they hear too much gunfire approaching, and just search for a way to leave or "defend the MCC area" in this match. Not every player who expected to "just have relaxing fun shooting" in a game, is prepared or willing to have to learn the "assist" ways of fighting tough opponents, or have to learn the ISK-managment abilities that CCP hoped we'd develop over time. Those abilities bring easier victories and become socially fun in a game like this, but not everyone is prepared to invest that much effort to develop themselves that way. So you'll always have a portion of you team become demoralized and retreat in the Pub Matches you may currently be playing. (After a while, you may learn some solo actions of your own that can salvage your poor team, and herd them back towards an objective now and then,.. but that's Advanced Dusting, and it's rare) Be advised, Summa: Once you get into FW matches, this "fear of the protostomper" urban legend will still show itself in players around you. Lots of them will still resort to leaving, retreating, or just Daily Mission farming, whenever your up against a more cohesive bunch of red mercs. FW isn't problem-free. Universe of good wishes for the 49, especially CCP Eterne... No story can have life without writers and publishers.
Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 670	Posted - 2015.03.22 10:30:00 - [62] - Quote jane stalin wrote: I make the effort to fight pubstompers but I feel silly doing it because * the best way to learn is to fight opponents that are a bit better than you but not much better than you. There are exceptions but I have only seen this in FW and not pubstomps, There is no actual joy in actually killing one of them, because the game is lopsided so it there is no possibility of changing the outcome with your actions so the game is dull Some of the protostompers are horrible people that need to be punished and the worst thing you can do them is not fight them Also, don't forget that stompers often run BPOs. This essentially means that, even if you do murder them, it's entirely meaningless for them. You don't even have the satisfaction of taking a good chunk of their ISK away. And yes, I know that ISK is effectively in unlimited supply at this point. P.S. Is there any way for a solo player to get into an FW match? Because I want one of those ******* APEX suits to throw it at stompers. It would be so much easier if I had a free suit that wasn't militia.
jane stalin Ametat Security Amarr Empire 236	Posted - 2015.03.22 10:38:00 - [63] - Quote CELESTA AUNGM wrote: A very nice effort, Summa. Like I observed and predicted in an earlier thread, I think you are on your way to being one of the Dust Masters. Realistically, your attempts will only motivate SOME of the players who read this. . I disagree, he has helped nobody He is not addressing any of the reasons the actual players leave and all the players that actually like "just getting one kill" were not going to leave anyway.
Starlight Burner ROGUE RELICS 180	Posted - 2015.03.22 11:15:00 - [64] - Quote I play games to have fun with friends. Not get frustrated because of a BS match. Proto Stompers can kiss my ass. If I'm solo, I'm backing out of proto-stomping matches. There's no fun when you're on either the proto stomping team or the team getting stomped. Thank god for CCP Rattati! Rogue Relics is my home away from home. Thank you CCP for getting DUST 514 back on track!
Nestil Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 204	Posted - 2015.03.22 11:34:00 - [65] - Quote Crimson Moon V wrote: I can't believe what I am seeing. I have said it before and I will say it again. This community has some of the worst players in the history of FPS gaming. I hope you are proud of yourself. 2 or 3 good players can turn around a proto stomp. If you are low SP that's different. If you have proto and you are backing out because there are people on the other team with the same gear, then you shouldn't be playing fps at all. I would recommend the adventure time game. Playing in losing battles is where you really learn how to fight off your back. No one is going to be on top all the time. You need to know how to fight off your back. That's what separates good players from legends. Being able to adapt to any situation no matter how terrible it is. the problem is that most of the time i'm alone versus 5-6 proto players that are just doing one big zergrush. i can't handle that much force in my low ehp suit. my team usually sits back and does nothing... yesterday i had to play on US servers (since EU servers are fked up atm) and a proto guy sent me mail how much i sucked since i couldnt kill him. he was running away like a *** (i was in my adv scout suit) he was proto caldari assault and he failed to kill me with his core nades so he engaged me i got some hits on him he runned away went to the hills while moonjumping and even though i aimed at him i only got blueshields. then he was sitting on a rep hive and i tried to shoot him with my burst SCP but all i got was like 1-2 hits and the rest only blueshields and i died from his boundless breach SMG. he also teleported on my screen probalby not his fault since i was on a foreign server). then the game ended i was on the first place with more kills than the rest of my team combined. i hope i see him again to return the favour and then i'll use my proto gear to crush him. so in conclusion the game was mixed... i killed plenty of the stompers but died a lot too. did i had fun? no, but still i wouldnt leave games because of the enemy team being "full protobears-but too scared to 1vs1- sissies" ... but i would leave when I'm on **** maps like the gal lag facility- i hate that map and the 3 FPS i get there BTW crimson. the MAG player in your sig is called "Naberius_X"
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 707	Posted - 2015.03.22 11:35:00 - [66] - Quote Proto Annihilator wrote: Summa Militum wrote: Listen people. At least stick with the protostomping matches for the satisfaction of those moments in which you actually take out one of the top players. I just played an Ambush match about 10 minutes ago in which my team was protostomped by Kaizuka Sniper, SS Modan, Dia Farron, and other really good players. The satisfaction I got from getting a kill off of SS Modan was amazing. All of you can get that same satisfaction if you just commit to making an effort. You got satisfied by getting one kill? Any time I can kill Kaizuka Sniper it's a good match. I've done it plenty of times, but usually he goes 17/0 with everyone either running away or just falling over each other to let him kill them. There will be bullets. ACR+SMG [CEO of Terror]
castba Rogue Instincts Ashtar Federation 826	Posted - 2015.03.22 11:46:00 - [67] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: its really not worth 20 minuites of my time. This sums up a lot of the battles unfortunately. When there is an even battle that is hard fought by both teams, there are not many games more enjoyable, but those proto stops in pubs... "When everything is OP, nothing is" - CCP Ratatti
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 3260	Posted - 2015.03.22 12:24:00 - [68] - Quote Man I can totally deal with getting my ass kicked, I've had it happen for a long time. I always try to push the objectives and fight. Two things I will not accept however are huge lag / latency and teleporting players! You had better believe I'm backing out when that stuff happens, on my local server no less. Vitantur Nothus wrote: Why hide a solution under frothy pile of derpa? SCV Ready!
hold that Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 721	Posted - 2015.03.22 12:24:00 - [69] - Quote i used to think like that too. but recently fighting against certain corps that are consistently laggy has forced me to reconsider. main thing being is that why run anything but bpos if you know it's going to be a lag fest, nothing fun in that, might as well back out.
Sequal's Back Dead Man's Game RUST415 485	Posted - 2015.03.22 12:51:00 - [70] - Quote hold that wrote: i used to think like that too. but recently fighting against certain corps that are consistently laggy has forced me to reconsider. main thing being is that why run anything but bpos if you know it's going to be a lag fest, nothing fun in that, might as well back out. ^ Why would I get my ass kicked because of lags so that some players on the other side can have fun? Whenever it lags/teleport, blueberries aren't playing, framerate drops ==> I leave. Fix the game before trying to add anything else. (Hint: hit detection, lags, glitches,.. you've got some work :) )

Diablo Gamekeeper KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 154	Posted - 2015.03.22 13:14:00 - [71] - Quote lol most people know how to counter proto stompers but cant because they are riding solo. It requires teamwork to counter it : \ "I think he just Assert Dominance all over my face."-Saxonmish
logan turnbull Glitched Connection 14	Posted - 2015.03.22 13:30:00 - [72] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: I understand people don't like being protostomped but please stop backing out of the match the moment you realize the other team is half-full with the top protostompers you will face in this game. You will never learn how to combat protostompers if you do not make an effort. You do realize the proto stompers are killing this game and with Legion out of the picture you should be talking about why match making is so f up. lets roll
OKK WORD Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2015.03.22 16:06:00 - [73] - Quote I'd like to see CCP add a lobby that doesn't allow squads. This will give players who want to play solo for whatever reason, and players fresh from the academy a place to play. You would still run into players using proto but it wouldn't be full squads of them.
PLAYSTTION Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 783	Posted - 2015.03.22 17:16:00 - [74] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: I understand people don't like being protostomped but please stop backing out of the match the moment you realize the other team is half-full with the top protostompers you will face in this game. You will never learn how to combat protostompers if you do not make an effort. Would you stick around if it was you versus 6 proto stomping top PC players? You may try like the brave, valiant soul you are but after you continually die after entering the 100m radius of the squad you WILL retreat to the redline or leave. And often a squad will leave battle to rejoin someone who Scotty left behind leaving the battle unbalanced. Gassault Galogi Galsent `Open Beta Vet - 39 mil sp Director of Corrosive Synergy`
tffvbhb Team Bukkakke 0	Posted - 2015.03.23 02:19:00 - [75] - Quote I'll throw a re at their feet once if I don't get at least 1 I'm gone
Summa Militum Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 335	Posted - 2015.03.23 03:18:00 - [76] - Quote jane stalin wrote: CELESTA AUNGM wrote: A very nice effort, Summa. Like I observed and predicted in an earlier thread, I think you are on your way to being one of the Dust Masters. Realistically, your attempts will only motivate SOME of the players who read this. . I disagree, I would be surprised if he "helped" ANYONE. He is not addressing any of the reasons the actual players leave and all the players that actually like "just getting one kill" were not going to leave anyway. What do you mean you would be surprised if I "helped" anyone?
DIX RFOR CHICKS T.U.R.D. R.O.C.K. 104	Posted - 2015.03.23 04:54:00 - [77] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: Buwaro Draemon wrote: If I see the whole or big part of the team contributing? I will stay. Even if it is a loss. But when it is only me trying to escape the Red Line and fight back while the rest of the team sits back and does nothing in the redline? Nah son. I have carried myself many teams in the past and I got tired of it. The situation you are describing I am not talking about. I am talking about when you first start the match and before your team even locates the enemy team you see 1/3 of your team leave the battle. I once had all but 5 people on my team leave the battle during a protostomp. Its just a videogame. And its just a public match. IT is ok to leave if you want to. IF I see I am up against multiple squads and my side has none,,,I am gone. Not worth the headache.
Vesta Opalus T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 534	Posted - 2015.03.23 05:37:00 - [78] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: why its not profitable.....? ultimatly if its not profitable to fight them then why would anyone? also no amount of "learning" can magically give you 5 squad mates decked out in proto thats requireed to counter them. Are you not able to profit enough during non-protostomping matches to allow you to make a sacrifice every now and then in hopes of winning? If not, that is fine. Switch to a free frontline suit and shoot at every enemy you see. At least try to assist your teammates at killing the enemy clones. Why should anyone sacrifice? Its a video game, if CCP wont give players an environment to avoid proto stomping then players can make do by just backing out of games that are clearly stomps until they find one that is fair. Game needs matchmaking, game needs a game mode limited to STD gear, game does not need people throwing themselves into a proto meat grinder until they get tired of the bullshit and leave the game.
maluble Art.of.Death 227	Posted - 2015.03.24 13:46:00 - [79] - Quote Meta locks, or just ban proto from pub. All those proto stopmers kd will plumit once the people they are facing are on even grounds.
Ku Shala UNITED MERCINARY AND PILOTS ALLIANCE Immortals of War 1324	Posted - 2015.03.24 13:51:00 - [80] - Quote if you cant take the heat save your meat, let more competent players join *-¦a+ó a+ú-Æa+äla+ä (CK-0 Specialist x5)* Caldari Loyalist 22 million sp in drop suit upgrades

Justicar Karnellia Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 1009	Posted - 2015.03.24 15:54:00 - [81] - Quote I usually play 5 minutes of the match before deciding if to leave or not... you can tell pretty quick how a game is going to go... if you're redlined within 5 minutes, if all points are capped in skirmish within the first 2 minutes or if I spawn->die 3 times in a row I'm outta there. I play for fun... just not other people's fun.
Jakkal Shoobah Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 94	Posted - 2015.03.24 16:06:00 - [82] - Quote I don't think the OP understands the level of incompetence that is the blues. Although there are many lessons to be learned and much isk and sp to be earned, there is also the frustration of fighting alone against adds you can't win against. Sure you can have tiny personal wins, but that feeling is dwarfed by the satisfaction of joining a team of like minded players and playing a match , a game, in unison without a word being said. Why lose when you know you can help any team win , but the team has to be willing to help itself if it truly wishes to win. While slow to anger and occasionally indecisive, they are also capable of harnessing enormous resolve when truly tested.
Vesta Opalus T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 542	Posted - 2015.03.24 16:09:00 - [83] - Quote Jakkal Shoobah wrote: I don't think the OP understands the level of incompetence that is the blues. Although there are many lessons to be learned and much isk and sp to be earned, there is also the frustration of fighting alone against adds you can't win against. Sure you can have tiny personal wins, but that feeling is dwarfed by the satisfaction of joining a team of like minded players and playing a match , a game, in unison without a word being said. Why lose when you know you can help any team win , but the team has to be willing to help itself if it truly wishes to win. Sadly its not even their fault, people straight out of the academy just shouldnt be in the same game as the long time vets in this game, we just have zero matchmaking.
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 546	Posted - 2015.03.24 16:29:00 - [84] - Quote GLOBAL RAGE wrote: Crimson Moon V wrote: Krixus Flux wrote: Crimson Moon V wrote: I can't believe what I am seeing. I have said it before and I will say it again. This community has some of the worst players in the history of FPS gaming. I hope you are proud of yourself. 2 or 3 good players can turn around a proto stomp. If you are low SP that's different. If you have proto and you are backing out because there are people on the other team with the same gear, then you shouldn't be playing fps at all. I would recommend the adventure time game. Playing in losing battles is where you really learn how to fight off your back. No one is going to be on top all the time. You need to know how to fight off your back. That's what separates good players from legends. Being able to adapt to any situation no matter how terrible it is. Lol reading your post then read your other thread. Night and day. I know. I'm a madman.Multiple personality disorder. Well low sp players are going to ragequit either way. They should ragequit, ccp doesn't deserve a larger playerbase or any extra money. Not like they can compete anyways. When high sp players do it I just find it pathetic. Ahrendee lag fantastic squad playing on public Wi-Fi, or parasiting of the local MaDonalds. Lmfao bro!! Dusting at Mickey D's? How did I miss this line? Too funny CELESTA AUNGM wrote: I love big hard things in my mouth Dude...stop it. Lol who are you people? MLG gamers with tourney wins on your career resume? You guys are, lol, "masters" in other FPS titles? No smart gamer is going to continue playing a match in Dust against organized protostompers while their own team is separated, disorganized and never has a chance to get the ball rolling cause protostompers roam in hunting packs camping spawn points, not even allowing them a chance to leave their redline. Not forgetting every item expired upon death costs ISK. If you not turning profit what's the point of keep playing in the match just because some geek from boy scouts think its the honorable thing to do? This is a friggin video game with heavy lag and it penalizes me financially in a digital sense and SP gain sense. Take the kneepads off bro. Saying what's on people's minds
Gyn Wallace Ready to Play 312	Posted - 2015.03.24 16:45:00 - [85] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: ... that way at least i make the win as boring as possible for them. its just not a fun match, there's no competition in it and there's no hope for having any halfway decent fights, its really not worth 20 minutes of my time. There's really no arguing with this. Leaving instances of bad match making is the smart choice. The OP shouldn't stay in that match either. By staying in badly made matches, the OP is just reducing the population available for the match making system to queue into a better balanced match. The Dust/Eve Isk Exchange Thread
Summa Militum Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 340	Posted - 2015.03.24 16:57:00 - [86] - Quote Gyn Wallace wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: ... that way at least i make the win as boring as possible for them. its just not a fun match, there's no competition in it and there's no hope for having any halfway decent fights, its really not worth 20 minutes of my time. There's really no arguing with this. Leaving instances of bad match making is the smart choice. The OP shouldn't stay in that match either. By staying in badly made matches, the OP is just reducing the population available for the match making system to queue into a better balanced match. I am not running away from a challenge like you people. Staying in those protostomp matches only makes me a better player. NO RETREAT, NO SURRENDER!
Hogan Gwernach Glitched Connection 19	Posted - 2015.03.24 17:35:00 - [87] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: I understand people don't like being protostomped but please stop backing out of the match the moment you realize the other team is half-full with the top protostompers you will face in this game. You will never learn how to combat protostompers if you do not make an effort. Oh, I will make the effort. Right up to the time when I try to spawn in at ground spawn and get trashed because CCP thought it was a good idea to remove the redline on that F**king train map. It's ridiculous, the other team should NOT be able to waltz right in to my "rear area" and mow me down before I even figure out which way I'm facing on a default spawn point. I've been meleed on that map before I even finish spawning in! Enough of that rant. Now as far as sticking around on other maps and fighting back against proto's. I don't have a problem doing that most of the time. Like others, I'll play 2/3 - 3/4 of a match trying to win. But when it reaches a point where it's futile, because it seems my squad is the only one trying to win, well... why throw good money after bad? Go sit on a hill with my Ish and see if I can get a few more kills, maybe throw a link or hive, or just go jog around the inside of the MCC. But I don't leave a battle JUST because I'm getting protostomped. (With the exception noted above, of course.) PS, Let's keep the "rear area" comments to a minimum please.


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