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Bright Steel
Horizons' Edge
1065
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Posted - 2015.03.21 01:57:00 -
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Koldy Lyte Marven wrote:CELESTA AUNGM wrote:. Koldy, it's a hard lesson of Dust that you are experiencing. Without knowing much about the details of your fighting, the conclusion most will draw is that you are simply putting TOO MUCH advanced weaponry and/or modules on you fittings to support the KIND of fighting performance you can deliver at your current playstyle. Until you can be sure that your style of fighting (whatever it may be, shoot-n-slaughter, snipe, vehicle driving, medical and gear supporter)GǪ. until you can be sure your contribution to the match can reward you with higher than 200K, without losing your life 5 - 10 times, you MUST trim the fat off your dropsuit to make it "cost effective" and allow you to survive with some tiny profit. Lots of players fall into your problem. We think Dust is like those other games, where getting the bigger gun and adv suit will start increasing my kills and profits. GǪ.Not Dust. GǪLearning to work this game the way your work your investments in a Monolopy board game, is how you increase your profits in Dust. I have two fittings: Minmatar Assault M-1 Light weapon: GB-9 Breach Assault Rifle Sidearm: M512-A SMG Equipment: Nanohives Grenade: Locus Grenade High slot: 2x Enhenced Shield Extenders Low slot: 2x Enhenced Ferroscal Plates Minmatar Logistics M-1 Light weapon: BK-42 Assault Combat Rifle Equipment: Remote explosive, Nanohives, Drop Uplinks Grenade: Locus Grenade High slot: 2x Enhenced Shield Extenders Low slot: 2x Enhenced Ferroscal Plates I'm better with the Logistics fitting. One last thing,
Basic suits die A LOT due to low HP The advanced weapon almost doubles the price of your suite....
I usually run basic frames with adv module and basic guns. Adv frames with adv/complex mods and adv gun
The proto gun is for splurging cause it's way over priced
Dust 514, the BEST WORST game you can't stop playing.
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Bright Steel
Horizons' Edge
1065
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Posted - 2015.03.21 02:00:00 -
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Koldy Lyte Marven wrote:Ahkhomi Cypher wrote:Bruh, you have like no regen on those suits. Faster regen would help alot i saving suits. Try fitting reactives instead of 2 ferros maybe. On my basic minassault i run complex ferro/rep I don't use Reactive Plates because they have movement penalty. Have you tried them??? Cause that 2% (1% each) is very hard to notice but worth the regen in some cases.
Dust 514, the BEST WORST game you can't stop playing.
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Koldy Lyte Marven
Y.A.M.A.H
34
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Posted - 2015.03.21 02:31:00 -
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Bright Steel wrote:Koldy Lyte Marven wrote:Ahkhomi Cypher wrote:Bruh, you have like no regen on those suits. Faster regen would help alot i saving suits. Try fitting reactives instead of 2 ferros maybe. On my basic minassault i run complex ferro/rep I don't use Reactive Plates because they have movement penalty. Have you tried them??? Cause that 2% (1% each) is very hard to notice but worth the regen in some cases.
Actually, no
You died? Yes? You know why? Yes? Don't do that again, then
-Koldy L.M., best worst bad@$$ fighter ever =ƒÿÄ
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Reign Omega
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
1331
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Posted - 2015.03.21 02:39:00 -
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Koldy Lyte Marven wrote:Reign Omega wrote:Koldy Lyte Marven wrote:Summa Militum wrote:Koldy Lyte Marven wrote:Man I just realised I don't make any profit from my battles. I win about 200K ISK per battle but I spend like 300K ISK to restock that damn fitting. And that's almost each battles. I need some help. Play Ambush. I prefer playing skirmish because this gives more oportunities to win WP. And more WP equals more SP and ISK. Exchange rate is faster, more battles losing less money equals more profit... I'm not sure to understand...
I mean in the time it takes to run a skirm you can run 2-3 ambush, and if you're using cheaper fits and bringing in good wp the payout will be better overall. I usually farm bush in starter fits, try to rep, revive or drop good links, get a few kills and not die much. All profit, you can make a mil in an hour or so. Do that every day for 2 weeks and you're paid in full.
Mark a$$ tricks, and bags of dicks....
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Koldy Lyte Marven
Y.A.M.A.H
34
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Posted - 2015.03.21 02:54:00 -
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Reign Omega wrote:Koldy Lyte Marven wrote:Reign Omega wrote:Koldy Lyte Marven wrote:Summa Militum wrote:Play Ambush. I prefer playing skirmish because this gives more oportunities to win WP. And more WP equals more SP and ISK. Exchange rate is faster, more battles losing less money equals more profit... I'm not sure to understand... I mean in the time it takes to run a skirm you can run 2-3 ambush, and if you're using cheaper fits and bringing in good wp the payout will be better overall. I usually farm bush in starter fits, try to rep, revive or drop good links, get a few kills and not die much. All profit, you can make a mil in an hour or so. Do that every day for 2 weeks and you're paid in full.
Didn't think about that. I'm trying this!
You died? Yes? You know why? Yes? Don't do that again, then
-Koldy L.M., best worst bad@$$ fighter ever =ƒÿÄ
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Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
1590
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Posted - 2015.03.21 05:43:00 -
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Koldy Lyte Marven wrote:Reign Omega wrote:Koldy Lyte Marven wrote:Summa Militum wrote:Koldy Lyte Marven wrote:Man I just realised I don't make any profit from my battles. I win about 200K ISK per battle but I spend like 300K ISK to restock that damn fitting. And that's almost each battles. I need some help. Play Ambush. I prefer playing skirmish because this gives more oportunities to win WP. And more WP equals more SP and ISK. Exchange rate is faster, more battles losing less money equals more profit... I'm not sure to understand...
Ambush pays more per minute and you will not die as often, this results in fewer deaths while ISK payout is similar. I don't like Ambush but there is no doubt that it is better for earning ISK. It really is just a matter of budgeting, play up to 5 deaths and then switch to a free suit or play one round with free suits only for every two you play with your other suits. And put a rep tool on that logi.
I have about 50 million, whenever I dip below that I switch to free suits in Ambush until I'm comfortably above it again. Why? Well, college in New Eden is expensive and I don't want my kids to have to work as a merc and live in an ultra-efficiency apartment for their living.
Because, that's why.
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Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
1590
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Posted - 2015.03.21 05:49:00 -
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Koldy Lyte Marven wrote:Bright Steel wrote:Koldy Lyte Marven wrote:Ahkhomi Cypher wrote:Bruh, you have like no regen on those suits. Faster regen would help alot i saving suits. Try fitting reactives instead of 2 ferros maybe. On my basic minassault i run complex ferro/rep I don't use Reactive Plates because they have movement penalty. Have you tried them??? Cause that 2% (1% each) is very hard to notice but worth the regen in some cases. Actually, no
I put a reactive plates on all my fits, becsuse I hope to live long enough that I will actually want my armor to regen. They have made armor repairers obsolete for me. I also try to fit complex because you get more HP but the same movement penalty as Enh. Almost always reactives beat regular plates and a repairer.
Because, that's why.
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Cyzad4
Blackfish Corp.
713
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Posted - 2015.03.21 11:34:00 -
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Koldy Lyte Marven wrote:Bright Steel wrote:So I noticed that there is a phase in the dust progression that you finically spec into better gear but don't have the core skills and/or in game experience to turn a profit.
I had the problem from about 10-25 mil SP range, didn't properly address cores untile late due to want to spec into different suits and stuff.....
My friend is at the 15 mil SP and have the same problem. He always had like 20 mil ISK untile recently when he went broke and I gave him a few mil. We figured out that he had started running more advanced gear but was dieing the same as when he had the basic stuff. Man I'm at like 4mil SP... well that's probably got something to do with it too then, how are your core skills?
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair.
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Koldy Lyte Marven
Y.A.M.A.H
35
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Posted - 2015.03.21 11:37:00 -
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Cyzad4 wrote:Koldy Lyte Marven wrote:Bright Steel wrote:So I noticed that there is a phase in the dust progression that you finically spec into better gear but don't have the core skills and/or in game experience to turn a profit.
I had the problem from about 10-25 mil SP range, didn't properly address cores untile late due to want to spec into different suits and stuff.....
My friend is at the 15 mil SP and have the same problem. He always had like 20 mil ISK untile recently when he went broke and I gave him a few mil. We figured out that he had started running more advanced gear but was dieing the same as when he had the basic stuff. Man I'm at like 4mil SP... well that's probably got something to do with it too then, how are your core skills?
All level 2/3
You died? Yes? You know why? Yes? Don't do that again, then
-Koldy L.M., best worst bad@$$ fighter ever =ƒÿÄ
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Cyzad4
Blackfish Corp.
713
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Posted - 2015.03.21 11:54:00 -
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Koldy Lyte Marven wrote:Cyzad4 wrote:Koldy Lyte Marven wrote:Bright Steel wrote:So I noticed that there is a phase in the dust progression that you finically spec into better gear but don't have the core skills and/or in game experience to turn a profit.
I had the problem from about 10-25 mil SP range, didn't properly address cores untile late due to want to spec into different suits and stuff.....
My friend is at the 15 mil SP and have the same problem. He always had like 20 mil ISK untile recently when he went broke and I gave him a few mil. We figured out that he had started running more advanced gear but was dieing the same as when he had the basic stuff. Man I'm at like 4mil SP... well that's probably got something to do with it too then, how are your core skills? All level 2/3 2/3? you mean 3/5?
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair.
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Koldy Lyte Marven
Y.A.M.A.H
36
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Posted - 2015.03.21 20:03:00 -
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Cyzad4 wrote:Koldy Lyte Marven wrote:Cyzad4 wrote:Koldy Lyte Marven wrote:Bright Steel wrote:So I noticed that there is a phase in the dust progression that you finically spec into better gear but don't have the core skills and/or in game experience to turn a profit.
I had the problem from about 10-25 mil SP range, didn't properly address cores untile late due to want to spec into different suits and stuff.....
My friend is at the 15 mil SP and have the same problem. He always had like 20 mil ISK untile recently when he went broke and I gave him a few mil. We figured out that he had started running more advanced gear but was dieing the same as when he had the basic stuff. Man I'm at like 4mil SP... well that's probably got something to do with it too then, how are your core skills? All level 2/3 2/3? you mean 3/5?
I mean some of them are level 2, some of them are level 3. Most of them are level 3.
You died? Yes? You know why? Yes? Don't do that again, then
-Koldy L.M., best worst bad@$$ fighter ever =ƒÿÄ
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Mad Syringe
ReDust Inc.
581
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Posted - 2015.03.22 18:51:00 -
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Koldy Lyte Marven wrote:I mean some of them are level 2, some of them are level 3. Most of them are level 3.
The Armour and shield skills should be maxed before you skill too much into any roles. Since they give you more HP on EVERY suit you run. The additional skills in those trees make the armour and shield modules MUCH better. I did not follow this advice (given to me by closed beta vets) and regretted it as soon as I did, since the difference is substantial.
Core skills are WAY MORE IMPORTANT then that shiny black suit, or those shiny pro weapons.
+1 on using dmg mods on low tier suits. My favourite suit for gaining kills for missions, is a basic min sent, with quafe basic hmg, syndicate basic smg, two krins dmg mods, and a compl. repper. Works like a charm, since nobody expects that firepower on a basic suit, and the sidearm has real punch aswell... This suit is like 10k...
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Koldy Lyte Marven
Y.A.M.A.H
37
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Posted - 2015.03.26 11:21:00 -
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Mad Syringe wrote:Koldy Lyte Marven wrote:I mean some of them are level 2, some of them are level 3. Most of them are level 3. The Armour and shield skills should be maxed before you skill too much into any roles. Since they give you more HP on EVERY suit you run. The additional skills in those trees make the armour and shield modules MUCH better. I did not follow this advice (given to me by closed beta vets) and regretted it as soon as I did, since the difference is substantial. Core skills are WAY MORE IMPORTANT then that shiny black suit, or those shiny pro weapons. +1 on using dmg mods on low tier suits. My favourite suit for gaining kills for missions, is a basic min sent, with quafe basic hmg, syndicate basic smg, two krins dmg mods, and a compl. repper. Works like a charm, since nobody expects that firepower on a basic suit, and the sidearm has real punch aswell... This suit is like 10k...
The thing is, I'm definetively never going to skill into heavies until my Assault/Logi is "maxed". Heavies got great protection and grest power, but are too slow for my playing style: Run, hit, run, cover, run, hit etc. And scouts don't have enough HP for me, unless you really skill into them, but I hate scouts. I don't have any reason, I just don't like them. Unless I'm using a shotgun. But so far, most of my SP has been invested in Min medium frames and I wanna continue that way.
You died? Yes? You know why? Yes? Don't do that again, then
-Koldy L.M., best worst bad@$$ fighter ever =ƒÿÄ
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Cyzad4
Blackfish Corp.
714
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Posted - 2015.03.26 11:54:00 -
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Koldy Lyte Marven wrote:Cyzad4 wrote:
2/3? you mean 3/5?
I mean some of them are level 2, some of them are level 3. Most of them are level 3. Ah gotcha, yeah so get armour and shields up asap, after that it depends on who you ask personally I would say electronics, allows you to fit more things to your loadouts.
Koldy Lyte Marven wrote:
The thing is, I'm definetively never going to skill into heavies until my Assault/Logi is "maxed". Heavies got great protection and grest power, but are too slow for my playing style: Run, hit, run, cover, run, hit etc. And scouts don't have enough HP for me, unless you really skill into them, but I hate scouts. I don't have any reason, I just don't like them. Unless I'm using a shotgun. But so far, most of my SP has been invested in Min medium frames and I wanna continue that way.
I'm the same way. I've got scout and HVY suits but I only use them for very specific occasions, mainly splatting vehicles.
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair.
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Mad Syringe
ReDust Inc.
638
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Posted - 2015.03.26 11:59:00 -
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Koldy Lyte Marven wrote:The thing is, I'm definetively never going to skill into heavies until my Assault/Logi is "maxed". Heavies got great protection and grest power, but are too slow for my playing style: Run, hit, run, cover, run, hit etc. And scouts don't have enough HP for me, unless you really skill into them, but I hate scouts. I don't have any reason, I just don't like them. Unless I'm using a shotgun. But so far, most of my SP has been invested in Min medium frames and I wanna continue that way.
You don't need to skill into heavy/sents, that was just an example. What I mean, is that with maxed core skills, even a basic suit + basic weapon are good enough to wreak havoc. You need those core skills, because they don't cost you any isk, but give you better suits (buffing all suits). I created some characters recently, where I only skilled into the main tank of the race and into precision enhancers. These toons went from unplayable to bearable within less than 3 mil sp. And that's just with frontline suits. You need to hold back with weak suits, that's the best advice you will get, since only smartness will save your ass.
If you have the Krins dmg mods, use them. On cheap fits they can really help. But not on a logi, the logi should always be about hp and regen. And it needs to be played more passive, covering the back if possible. If you latch to a stationary heavy for example, it's a good idea to turn towards the direction flanks might come from. And if you see a scout/assauld flanking, stop repping and shoot the flanker, everything else is stoopid!
Min Assault should always be fast, so never under any circumstances put plates with speed penalty on them, even advanced reactives are a no no on a min assault. For the simple reason that the hit detection is broken as long as you stay fast, and as soon as you slow down, the applied DPS on you will increase. |
DJINN Jecture
MANUFACTURERS OF DEATH
304
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Posted - 2015.03.26 12:40:00 -
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Bright Steel wrote:Koldy Lyte Marven wrote:Ahkhomi Cypher wrote:Bruh, you have like no regen on those suits. Faster regen would help alot i saving suits. Try fitting reactives instead of 2 ferros maybe. On my basic minassault i run complex ferro/rep I don't use Reactive Plates because they have movement penalty. Have you tried them??? Cause that 2% (1% each) is very hard to notice but worth the regen in some cases. I'd say 1 complex ferro and a complex armor rep will get you there quicker with more hp and movement...but meh
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DJINN Jecture
MANUFACTURERS OF DEATH
304
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Posted - 2015.03.26 12:45:00 -
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Koldy Lyte Marven wrote:Mad Syringe wrote:Koldy Lyte Marven wrote:I mean some of them are level 2, some of them are level 3. Most of them are level 3. The Armour and shield skills should be maxed before you skill too much into any roles. Since they give you more HP on EVERY suit you run. The additional skills in those trees make the armour and shield modules MUCH better. I did not follow this advice (given to me by closed beta vets) and regretted it as soon as I did, since the difference is substantial. Core skills are WAY MORE IMPORTANT then that shiny black suit, or those shiny pro weapons. +1 on using dmg mods on low tier suits. My favourite suit for gaining kills for missions, is a basic min sent, with quafe basic hmg, syndicate basic smg, two krins dmg mods, and a compl. repper. Works like a charm, since nobody expects that firepower on a basic suit, and the sidearm has real punch aswell... This suit is like 10k... The thing is, I'm definetively never going to skill into heavies until my Assault/Logi is "maxed". Heavies got great protection and grest power, but are too slow for my playing style: Run, hit, run, cover, run, hit etc. And scouts don't have enough HP for me, unless you really skill into them, but I hate scouts. I don't have any reason, I just don't like them. Unless I'm using a shotgun. But so far, most of my SP has been invested in Min medium frames and I wanna continue that way. Six kin rep tool, best money maker by far in this game, as it can feed you 2 sets of triage points at a go, and helps 2 people plus yourself at a time, good for team grinder matches, paired with a nanite injector and a link and you will rake in the isk.
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Koldy Lyte Marven
Y.A.M.A.H
37
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Posted - 2015.03.27 22:00:00 -
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Then, could any of you suggest me a fitting for Logi M-1 with a BK-42 ACR? I'd prefer a "cheap" but strong one. EDIT: I do have the Krin DMG mod bluebrint, that makes less ISK to spend.
You died? Yes? You know why? Yes? Don't do that again, then
-Koldy L.M., best worst bad@$$ fighter ever =ƒÿÄ
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Alena Ventrallis
Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback
2821
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Posted - 2015.03.27 22:02:00 -
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Create some all basic fits. Use BPOs if you have them. I went from broke to 10 mill in 2 days running cheap fits. Save proto for PC or when you gotta get that guy.
Also, the new medic fits have a needle and a rep tool. spam those, don't think of kills unless you have to, and rep rep rep. Triage is your friend.
Listen to my muscle memory
Contemplate what I've been clinging to
Forty-six and two ahead of me
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Cyzad4
Blackfish Corp.
715
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Posted - 2015.03.27 22:29:00 -
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And a basic ACR w an ADV D mod should end up about the same damage as a BK42 but cost about half as much.
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair.
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Knightshade Belladonna
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
973
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Posted - 2015.03.27 22:57:00 -
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I lose isk all the time.. but my 400 mil or so says IDGAF |
Forced Death
Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion.
254
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Posted - 2015.03.27 23:01:00 -
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Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:Frontline suits/BPOs and Ambush are your isk making friends.
If you're new i'd suggest investing in the Merc pack. its -ú16/$20 which is a small amount to pay. you'll get a scout and smg bpo and use the AUR you get to buy a role BPO of the Sever/Raven/Valour variety. Then use the remaining 20k AUR to buy
Militia Shield Extender BPO Militia Armour Plate BPO Militia Armour Repairer BPO
using that and the suit means you can build an Assault/Logi/Heavy suit for about 3-9k i recommend the logi though and slap on a Core Rep tool (not focused) and jump into ambush and rep like you've never repped before. you should be makign 1-1.5m ISK an hour and a helluva lot of SP too. Will you die a lot? hell yeah. but who cares, i'd rather be rich than have a great KDR which means nothing in this game cos of so much padding that goes on Dammit it, I spent it all on boosters
TritusX
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Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES
1890
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Posted - 2015.03.27 23:03:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:have you tried not dying?
Ya, but my roots show
Crush them
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Green Means Go
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
48
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Posted - 2015.03.28 01:11:00 -
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Do what the pro's do.... Hack something and hide the rest of match.... You can always start a new account and just run free suits.... A 'skilled" player can make a killing in academy. |
DJINN Jecture
MANUFACTURERS OF DEATH
306
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Posted - 2015.03.28 02:10:00 -
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Green Means Go wrote:Do what the pro's do.... Hack something and hide the rest of match.... You can always start a new account and just run free suits.... A 'skilled" player can make a killing in academy. Don't listen to this kind of nonsense.
Triage points win OBs and matches when your team stays alive.
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Koldy Lyte Marven
Y.A.M.A.H
37
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Posted - 2015.03.28 16:04:00 -
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So far, I'm playing ambush only with this fitting:
Logistics M-1
Light Weapon: BK-42 ACR
Grenade: Locus Grenade Equipment: Rep tool, Nanohive, Drop Uplink High slot: 2x Enhenced Shield Extenders Low slot: 2x Enhenced Ferroscal Plates
I just stink behind people (mostly heavies), heal them, put Drop Uplinks and Nanohives where my team needs it the most, and get a few kills when I can. I dye 2-3 times a match, get 3-5 kills, but I get 500+ WP and 200K+ ISK per match. So far, everything is going well.
You died? Yes? You know why? Yes? Don't do that again, then
-Koldy L.M., best worst bad@$$ fighter ever =ƒÿÄ
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Koldy Lyte Marven
Y.A.M.A.H
37
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Posted - 2015.03.28 20:59:00 -
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Koldy Lyte Marven wrote:So far, I'm playing ambush only with this fitting:
Logistics M-1
Light Weapon: BK-42 ACR
Grenade: Locus Grenade Equipment: Rep tool, Nanohive, Drop Uplink High slot: 2x Enhenced Shield Extenders Low slot: 2x Enhenced Ferroscal Plates
I just stink behind people (mostly heavies), heal them, put Drop Uplinks and Nanohives where my team needs it the most, and get a few kills when I can. I dye 2-3 times a match, get 3-5 kills, but I get 500+ WP and 200K+ ISK per match. So far, everything is going well.
Should I use RS-90 CR instead?
You died? Yes? You know why? Yes? Don't do that again, then
-Koldy L.M., best worst bad@$$ fighter ever =ƒÿÄ
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Reign Omega
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
1365
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Posted - 2015.03.28 22:42:00 -
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Koldy Lyte Marven wrote:Koldy Lyte Marven wrote:So far, I'm playing ambush only with this fitting:
Logistics M-1
Light Weapon: BK-42 ACR
Grenade: Locus Grenade Equipment: Rep tool, Nanohive, Drop Uplink High slot: 2x Enhenced Shield Extenders Low slot: 2x Enhenced Ferroscal Plates
I just stink behind people (mostly heavies), heal them, put Drop Uplinks and Nanohives where my team needs it the most, and get a few kills when I can. I dye 2-3 times a match, get 3-5 kills, but I get 500+ WP and 200K+ ISK per match. So far, everything is going well. Should I use RS-90 CR instead?
Ive only recently begun to like the burst cr over the auto. The rof is killer if you can maintain the dps, and it hits harder at a longer range. Try them both or make a duplicate fitting with each.
Mark a$$ tricks, and bags of dicks....
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Cyzad4
Blackfish Corp.
716
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Posted - 2015.03.29 11:48:00 -
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This is totally just personal preference but you might want to give fluxes a try instead of the locus, you can't kill with them but the AOE is WAY bigger and will straight up fry the shields of anything you hit, that and wrecking equipment is handy for those battles when both sides have entrenched positions.
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair.
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Koldy Lyte Marven
Y.A.M.A.H
40
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Posted - 2015.03.29 14:18:00 -
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Cyzad4 wrote:This is totally just personal preference but you might want to give fluxes a try instead of the locus, you can't kill with them but the AOE is WAY bigger and will straight up fry the shields of anything you hit, that and wrecking equipment is handy for those battles when both sides have entrenched positions.
Ok I'll try
You died? Yes? You know why? Yes? Don't do that again, then
-Koldy L.M., best worst bad@$$ fighter ever =ƒÿÄ
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