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Koldy Lyte Marven
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Posted - 2015.03.20 19:33:00 -
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Man I just realised I don't make any profit from my battles. I win about 200K ISK per battle but I spend like 300K ISK to restock that damn fitting. And that's almost each battles. I need some help.
Take these deaths as a lesson.
-Koldy Lyte M., best worst badass fighter ever =ƒÿÄ
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Koldy Lyte Marven
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Posted - 2015.03.20 20:09:00 -
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CELESTA AUNGM wrote: . Koldy, it's a hard lesson of Dust that you are experiencing. Without knowing much about the details of your fighting, the conclusion most will draw is that you are simply putting TOO MUCH advanced weaponry and/or modules on you fittings to support the KIND of fighting performance you can deliver at your current playstyle. Until you can be sure that your style of fighting (whatever it may be, shoot-n-slaughter, snipe, vehicle driving, medical and gear supporter)GǪ. until you can be sure your contribution to the match can reward you with higher than 200K, without losing your life 5 - 10 times, you MUST trim the fat off your dropsuit to make it "cost effective" and allow you to survive with some tiny profit. Lots of players fall into your problem. We think Dust is like those other games, where getting the bigger gun and adv suit will start increasing my kills and profits. GǪ.Not Dust. GǪLearning to work this game the way your work your investments in a Monolopy board game, is how you increase your profits in Dust.
I have two fittings:
Minmatar Assault M-1
Light weapon: GB-9 Breach Assault Rifle
Sidearm: M512-A SMG
Equipment: Nanohives
Grenade: Locus Grenade
High slot: 2x Enhenced Shield Extenders
Low slot: 2x Enhenced Ferroscal Plates
Minmatar Logistics M-1
Light weapon: BK-42 Assault Combat Rifle
Equipment: Remote explosive, Nanohives, Drop Uplinks
Grenade: Locus Grenade
High slot: 2x Enhenced Shield Extenders
Low slot: 2x Enhenced Ferroscal Plates
I'm better with the Logistics fitting.
Take these deaths as a lesson.
-Koldy Lyte M., best worst badass fighter ever =ƒÿÄ
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Koldy Lyte Marven
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Posted - 2015.03.20 20:27:00 -
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Joseph Ridgeson wrote:Z = Y * X, Z = Conservative amount per battle. Y = Cost of Suits. X = Liberal estimate of deaths. Make Z greater than the otherside of the equation and you will earn money. Basics aside, you can try going Logistics. That earns a metric load of WP and can be done fairly cheaply. I use this set up. It costs 47,670 isk. That price can be reduced to 40k by dropping to an Advanced Repair and getting rid of the Repair Nanohive in favor of the regular Advanced Nanohive. You can drop Equipment all the way to basic if you want but I would always keep Prototype Flux Uplink because having the fastest respawn means that more people will go through meaning more WP for you. A full on basic Minmatar Logistics suit will run less than 12k. If you can pull 1,000 WP you can expect at least 220k. At that point, plug in the equation 220,000 = 12,000 * X 220 / 12 = 18.333 Do don't die more than 18 times and you will make a profit. When making suits, you should always use the equation though. It lets you see how long it takes before you will go bankrupt running expensive suits. "I usually get a minimum of 250k a match with this 100k suit. I have 30,000,000 isk. I die 3 times a match. How long do I have before I am out of money?" 3 x 100k = 300k - 250k = 50k 30,000,000 / 50,000 = 600 matches.
The link doesn't work.
Take these deaths as a lesson.
-Koldy Lyte M., best worst badass fighter ever =ƒÿÄ
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Koldy Lyte Marven
Y.A.M.A.H
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Posted - 2015.03.20 21:09:00 -
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Summa Militum wrote:Koldy Lyte Marven wrote:Man I just realised I don't make any profit from my battles. I win about 200K ISK per battle but I spend like 300K ISK to restock that damn fitting. And that's almost each battles. I need some help. Play Ambush.
I prefer playing skirmish because this gives more oportunities to win WP. And more WP equals more SP and ISK.
Take these deaths as a lesson.
-Koldy Lyte M., best worst badass fighter ever =ƒÿÄ
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Koldy Lyte Marven
Y.A.M.A.H
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Posted - 2015.03.20 21:12:00 -
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Luk Manag wrote:Koldy Lyte Marven wrote:CELESTA AUNGM wrote:. Koldy, it's a hard lesson of Dust that you are experiencing. Without knowing much about the details of your fighting, the conclusion most will draw is that you are simply putting TOO MUCH advanced weaponry and/or modules on you fittings to support the KIND of fighting performance you can deliver at your current playstyle. Until you can be sure that your style of fighting (whatever it may be, shoot-n-slaughter, snipe, vehicle driving, medical and gear supporter)GǪ. until you can be sure your contribution to the match can reward you with higher than 200K, without losing your life 5 - 10 times, you MUST trim the fat off your dropsuit to make it "cost effective" and allow you to survive with some tiny profit. Lots of players fall into your problem. We think Dust is like those other games, where getting the bigger gun and adv suit will start increasing my kills and profits. GǪ.Not Dust. GǪLearning to work this game the way your work your investments in a Monolopy board game, is how you increase your profits in Dust. I have two fittings: Minmatar Assault M-1 Light weapon: GB-9 Breach Assault Rifle Sidearm: M512-A SMG Equipment: Nanohives Grenade: Locus Grenade High slot: 2x Enhenced Shield Extenders Low slot: 2x Enhenced Ferroscal Plates Minmatar Logistics M-1 Light weapon: BK-42 Assault Combat Rifle Equipment: Remote explosive, Nanohives, Drop Uplinks Grenade: Locus Grenade High slot: 2x Enhenced Shield Extenders Low slot: 2x Enhenced Ferroscal Plates I'm better with the Logistics fitting. Those fits are decent. ISK is tied to WP, and a rep-tool is great for WP. I would keep the RE logi fit (REs are always useful), but duplicate it and get an uplink-nanite injector-rep tool combo. Hide behind a heavy and profit. My only other idea, besides squading up, is to play more evasively. Hit and run. Hide and ambush. Zerg rush if you can afford it. Don't hesitate to pull out the starter fits (or other BPOs) if you think you are going to lose money, we are mercs after all.
Well what I do is, whem I know there is no way our team is going to win, I run a milita Scout Shotgun fit, which costs about 7K ISK.
Take these deaths as a lesson.
-Koldy Lyte M., best worst badass fighter ever =ƒÿÄ
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Koldy Lyte Marven
Y.A.M.A.H
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Posted - 2015.03.20 22:22:00 -
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Reign Omega wrote:Koldy Lyte Marven wrote:Summa Militum wrote:Koldy Lyte Marven wrote:Man I just realised I don't make any profit from my battles. I win about 200K ISK per battle but I spend like 300K ISK to restock that damn fitting. And that's almost each battles. I need some help. Play Ambush. I prefer playing skirmish because this gives more oportunities to win WP. And more WP equals more SP and ISK. Exchange rate is faster, more battles losing less money equals more profit...
I'm not sure to understand...
You died? Yes? You know why? Yes? Don't do that again, then
-Koldy L.M., best worst bad@$$ fighter ever =ƒÿÄ
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Koldy Lyte Marven
Y.A.M.A.H
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Posted - 2015.03.21 01:16:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:have you tried not dying?
As if I try to die...
You died? Yes? You know why? Yes? Don't do that again, then
-Koldy L.M., best worst bad@$$ fighter ever =ƒÿÄ
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Koldy Lyte Marven
Y.A.M.A.H
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Posted - 2015.03.21 01:30:00 -
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Ahkhomi Cypher wrote:Bruh, you have like no regen on those suits.
Faster regen would help alot i saving suits.
Try fitting reactives instead of 2 ferros maybe.
On my basic minassault i run complex ferro/rep
I don't use Reactive Plates because they have movement penalty.
You died? Yes? You know why? Yes? Don't do that again, then
-Koldy L.M., best worst bad@$$ fighter ever =ƒÿÄ
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Koldy Lyte Marven
Y.A.M.A.H
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Posted - 2015.03.21 01:33:00 -
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Bright Steel wrote:So I noticed that there is a phase in the dust progression that you finically spec into better gear but don't have the core skills and/or in game experience to turn a profit.
I had the problem from about 10-25 mil SP range, didn't properly address cores untile late due to want to spec into different suits and stuff.....
My friend is at the 15 mil SP and have the same problem. He always had like 20 mil ISK untile recently when he went broke and I gave him a few mil. We figured out that he had started running more advanced gear but was dieing the same as when he had the basic stuff.
Man I'm at like 4mil SP...
You died? Yes? You know why? Yes? Don't do that again, then
-Koldy L.M., best worst bad@$$ fighter ever =ƒÿÄ
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Koldy Lyte Marven
Y.A.M.A.H
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Posted - 2015.03.21 02:31:00 -
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Bright Steel wrote:Koldy Lyte Marven wrote:Ahkhomi Cypher wrote:Bruh, you have like no regen on those suits.
Faster regen would help alot i saving suits.
Try fitting reactives instead of 2 ferros maybe.
On my basic minassault i run complex ferro/rep I don't use Reactive Plates because they have movement penalty. Have you tried them??? Cause that 2% (1% each) is very hard to notice but worth the regen in some cases.
Actually, no
You died? Yes? You know why? Yes? Don't do that again, then
-Koldy L.M., best worst bad@$$ fighter ever =ƒÿÄ
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Koldy Lyte Marven
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Posted - 2015.03.21 02:54:00 -
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Reign Omega wrote:Koldy Lyte Marven wrote:Reign Omega wrote:Koldy Lyte Marven wrote:Summa Militum wrote:Play Ambush. I prefer playing skirmish because this gives more oportunities to win WP. And more WP equals more SP and ISK. Exchange rate is faster, more battles losing less money equals more profit... I'm not sure to understand... I mean in the time it takes to run a skirm you can run 2-3 ambush, and if you're using cheaper fits and bringing in good wp the payout will be better overall. I usually farm bush in starter fits, try to rep, revive or drop good links, get a few kills and not die much. All profit, you can make a mil in an hour or so. Do that every day for 2 weeks and you're paid in full.
Didn't think about that. I'm trying this!
You died? Yes? You know why? Yes? Don't do that again, then
-Koldy L.M., best worst bad@$$ fighter ever =ƒÿÄ
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Koldy Lyte Marven
Y.A.M.A.H
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Posted - 2015.03.21 11:37:00 -
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Cyzad4 wrote:Koldy Lyte Marven wrote:Bright Steel wrote:So I noticed that there is a phase in the dust progression that you finically spec into better gear but don't have the core skills and/or in game experience to turn a profit.
I had the problem from about 10-25 mil SP range, didn't properly address cores untile late due to want to spec into different suits and stuff.....
My friend is at the 15 mil SP and have the same problem. He always had like 20 mil ISK untile recently when he went broke and I gave him a few mil. We figured out that he had started running more advanced gear but was dieing the same as when he had the basic stuff. Man I'm at like 4mil SP... well that's probably got something to do with it too then, how are your core skills?
All level 2/3
You died? Yes? You know why? Yes? Don't do that again, then
-Koldy L.M., best worst bad@$$ fighter ever =ƒÿÄ
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Koldy Lyte Marven
Y.A.M.A.H
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Posted - 2015.03.21 20:03:00 -
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Cyzad4 wrote:Koldy Lyte Marven wrote:Cyzad4 wrote:Koldy Lyte Marven wrote:Bright Steel wrote:So I noticed that there is a phase in the dust progression that you finically spec into better gear but don't have the core skills and/or in game experience to turn a profit.
I had the problem from about 10-25 mil SP range, didn't properly address cores untile late due to want to spec into different suits and stuff.....
My friend is at the 15 mil SP and have the same problem. He always had like 20 mil ISK untile recently when he went broke and I gave him a few mil. We figured out that he had started running more advanced gear but was dieing the same as when he had the basic stuff. Man I'm at like 4mil SP... well that's probably got something to do with it too then, how are your core skills? All level 2/3 2/3? you mean 3/5?
I mean some of them are level 2, some of them are level 3. Most of them are level 3.
You died? Yes? You know why? Yes? Don't do that again, then
-Koldy L.M., best worst bad@$$ fighter ever =ƒÿÄ
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Koldy Lyte Marven
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Posted - 2015.03.26 11:21:00 -
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Mad Syringe wrote:Koldy Lyte Marven wrote:I mean some of them are level 2, some of them are level 3. Most of them are level 3. The Armour and shield skills should be maxed before you skill too much into any roles. Since they give you more HP on EVERY suit you run. The additional skills in those trees make the armour and shield modules MUCH better. I did not follow this advice (given to me by closed beta vets) and regretted it as soon as I did, since the difference is substantial. Core skills are WAY MORE IMPORTANT then that shiny black suit, or those shiny pro weapons. +1 on using dmg mods on low tier suits. My favourite suit for gaining kills for missions, is a basic min sent, with quafe basic hmg, syndicate basic smg, two krins dmg mods, and a compl. repper. Works like a charm, since nobody expects that firepower on a basic suit, and the sidearm has real punch aswell... This suit is like 10k...
The thing is, I'm definetively never going to skill into heavies until my Assault/Logi is "maxed". Heavies got great protection and grest power, but are too slow for my playing style: Run, hit, run, cover, run, hit etc. And scouts don't have enough HP for me, unless you really skill into them, but I hate scouts. I don't have any reason, I just don't like them. Unless I'm using a shotgun. But so far, most of my SP has been invested in Min medium frames and I wanna continue that way.
You died? Yes? You know why? Yes? Don't do that again, then
-Koldy L.M., best worst bad@$$ fighter ever =ƒÿÄ
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Koldy Lyte Marven
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Posted - 2015.03.27 22:00:00 -
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Then, could any of you suggest me a fitting for Logi M-1 with a BK-42 ACR? I'd prefer a "cheap" but strong one.
EDIT: I do have the Krin DMG mod bluebrint, that makes less ISK to spend.
You died? Yes? You know why? Yes? Don't do that again, then
-Koldy L.M., best worst bad@$$ fighter ever =ƒÿÄ
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Koldy Lyte Marven
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Posted - 2015.03.28 16:04:00 -
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So far, I'm playing ambush only with this fitting:
Logistics M-1
Light Weapon: BK-42 ACR
Grenade: Locus Grenade
Equipment: Rep tool, Nanohive, Drop Uplink
High slot: 2x Enhenced Shield Extenders
Low slot: 2x Enhenced Ferroscal Plates
I just stink behind people (mostly heavies), heal them, put Drop Uplinks and Nanohives where my team needs it the most, and get a few kills when I can. I dye 2-3 times a match, get 3-5 kills, but I get 500+ WP and 200K+ ISK per match. So far, everything is going well.
You died? Yes? You know why? Yes? Don't do that again, then
-Koldy L.M., best worst bad@$$ fighter ever =ƒÿÄ
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Koldy Lyte Marven
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Posted - 2015.03.28 20:59:00 -
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Koldy Lyte Marven wrote:So far, I'm playing ambush only with this fitting:
Logistics M-1
Light Weapon: BK-42 ACR
Grenade: Locus Grenade
Equipment: Rep tool, Nanohive, Drop Uplink
High slot: 2x Enhenced Shield Extenders
Low slot: 2x Enhenced Ferroscal Plates
I just stink behind people (mostly heavies), heal them, put Drop Uplinks and Nanohives where my team needs it the most, and get a few kills when I can. I dye 2-3 times a match, get 3-5 kills, but I get 500+ WP and 200K+ ISK per match. So far, everything is going well.
Should I use RS-90 CR instead?
You died? Yes? You know why? Yes? Don't do that again, then
-Koldy L.M., best worst bad@$$ fighter ever =ƒÿÄ
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Koldy Lyte Marven
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Posted - 2015.03.29 14:18:00 -
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Cyzad4 wrote:This is totally just personal preference but you might want to give fluxes a try instead of the locus, you can't kill with them but the AOE is WAY bigger and will straight up fry the shields of anything you hit, that and wrecking equipment is handy for those battles when both sides have entrenched positions.
Ok I'll try
You died? Yes? You know why? Yes? Don't do that again, then
-Koldy L.M., best worst bad@$$ fighter ever =ƒÿÄ
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