let me get right too it, proto stomping in pubs is a real problem to the game and i propose a solution or better yet a compromise.

i admit to enjoying running proto in matches as much as the next merc but when a herd of mercs with proto Scrambler rifles and core f*ck grenades its ridiculous and presents a problem...
i propose to restrict proto weapons (or maybe proto suits) to attempt some sort of balence...

as for the herd of squads dominating solos and rarely facing a MATCHED squad, i propose implementing a some sort of use of the total data of spent skill points of each player and time spent IN game in a given squad, time to be the deciding variable of how many skill points are too many.

take this and modify it as you will, this is just an idea but if you guys can spit ball ideas on how to make this better but we need to stop proto stomping squads some how...

Join a squad, this is a team game not "Call Of Duty TM"

My biggest issues for when people tell me to stop running Proto:

1) What happens if I run a proto suit with a Basic Gun for more variety?
2) I've played this game for over two years, and yet you want me to refrain from the best part?
3) I have more money than I need to worry about running proto. FW is a stomp, and too hard to get into. There is no Isk sink.
4) What about people in Adv suits, which can destroy nearly as effectively as a Proto Squad vs Militia gear
5) Players will lesser experience will NEVER catch up. I have 60 mil SP. Maxing cores plus weapon proficiency is 30 mil. That means that I will have an advantage ahead of them no matter what suit I use
6) Killing players who crouch with sniper rifles when I'm 5m from them doesn't work. Nothing cures stupidity
7) Not every player using proto is deadly. We have bad days, and if you're squad is together, 5 militia suits can kill a proto suit. Your issue is proto squads
8) What about proto logis, that keep their squad alive? Would you complain if I ran my proto logi suit while my squad of Adv gear ran all over you with M1 Locus Grenades?
9) What if I use a Proto suit with basic modules like the APEX? Is that proto?
10) What happens if my team is getting decimated by other squads of non-proto? Can I run proto to swing the tide????? I usually go into a dom and find we're redlined. It takes proto links, followed by a proto speedhack, followed by numerous other suits to solo hold the objective against the other team to even have a chance at winning.

People will complain about everything that kills them. Once you can define my 10 terms, then I'll stop running proto in pubs. Until then, no.

10) try to win a game seems legit, join a match with the idea of stomp everything just cuz you have a squad that can run proto is different. I have no isk problem but i still run advance gear quite always, i've made all my isk doing that and at least i have the challenge of kill a proto with an ADV. Anyway happy hunting

The age old mantra has always been: "Stomp them before they stomp you." That is because there will always be that 1 Merc that runs proto, and if proto is truly such a big deal, than the enenmy team immediately gets the advantage.

Proto squad will stomp a not-proto squad.

The issues are real. Even if few people can articulate them well in a post.

Not necessarily true, some of the issue with this assessment is that it doesn't take ingenuity of players in to account nor does it take strategy or tactics into account.

let me get right too it, proto stomping in pubs is a real problem to the game and i propose a solution or better yet a compromise.

i admit to enjoying running proto in matches as much as the next merc but when a herd of mercs with proto Scrambler rifles and core f*ck grenades its ridiculous and presents a problem...
i propose to restrict proto weapons (or maybe proto suits) to attempt some sort of balence...

as for the herd of squads dominating solos and rarely facing a MATCHED squad, i propose implementing a some sort of use of the total data of spent skill points of each player and time spent IN game in a given squad, time to be the deciding variable of how many skill points are too many.

take this and modify it as you will, this is just an idea but if you guys can spit ball ideas on how to make this better but we need to stop proto stomping squads some how...

You say this like it's the rule rather than the exception.

I run solo. protostompers don't even phase me.

Of course CCP could just block people from forming squads in Public Matches and leave squads for FW and PC. I don't think we should be preventing people from using the gear that they put in time and effort to acquire.

let me get right too it, proto stomping in pubs is a real problem to the game and i propose a solution or better yet a compromise.

i admit to enjoying running proto in matches as much as the next merc but when a herd of mercs with proto Scrambler rifles and core f*ck grenades its ridiculous and presents a problem...
i propose to restrict proto weapons (or maybe proto suits) to attempt some sort of balence...

as for the herd of squads dominating solos and rarely facing a MATCHED squad, i propose implementing a some sort of use of the total data of spent skill points of each player and time spent IN game in a given squad, time to be the deciding variable of how many skill points are too many.

take this and modify it as you will, this is just an idea but if you guys can spit ball ideas on how to make this better but we need to stop proto stomping squads some how...

My biggest issues for when people tell me to stop running Proto:

1) What happens if I run a proto suit with a Basic Gun for more variety?
2) I've played this game for over two years, and yet you want me to refrain from the best part?
3) I have more money than I need to worry about running proto. FW is a stomp, and too hard to get into. There is no Isk sink.
4) What about people in Adv suits, which can destroy nearly as effectively as a Proto Squad vs Militia gear
5) Players will lesser experience will NEVER catch up. I have 60 mil SP. Maxing cores plus weapon proficiency is 30 mil. That means that I will have an advantage ahead of them no matter what suit I use
6) Killing players who crouch with sniper rifles when I'm 5m from them doesn't work. Nothing cures stupidity
7) Not every player using proto is deadly. We have bad days, and if you're squad is together, 5 militia suits can kill a proto suit. Your issue is proto squads
8) What about proto logis, that keep their squad alive? Would you complain if I ran my proto logi suit while my squad of Adv gear ran all over you with M1 Locus Grenades?
9) What if I use a Proto suit with basic modules like the APEX? Is that proto?
10) What happens if my team is getting decimated by other squads of non-proto? Can I run proto to swing the tide????? I usually go into a dom and find we're redlined. It takes proto links, followed by a proto speedhack, followed by numerous other suits to solo hold the objective against the other team to even have a chance at winning.

People will complain about everything that kills them. Once you can define my 10 terms, then I'll stop running proto in pubs. Until then, no.

. Why not use an APEX suit.

2,3,4,6,7,8,9 (Is that actually proto? Define a proto-stomper please.), 10.

This is what I've been saying for sometime now but instead of not allowing them to have squads , bring back the warbarge like in FW or PC and allow enough time to form squads if needed but the randomness of pubs should be more of a factor seeing as how they are public contracts , you wouldn't think that one would face organized squads but more of a random nature and environment .

I just couldn't see people having a problem with that and it also would create a more balanced environment because of the random nature of the game mode , it would also help people get to know the competition and play / talk / squad with people that they wouldn't normally have the chance to .

Proto squad will stomp a not-proto squad.

The issues are real. Even if few people can articulate them well in a post.

Dust isn't meant to be fair. If it was, there would be no progression.

The progression is in SP. I can't count the number of "straight-to-proto" dingbats who are confused as to why my quafe suit with nothing other than militia mods and guns pops them like zits.

If you deleted proto tomorrow from the game the protostomping "problem" would not go away.

Why?

Skillpoints.

Everyone's so monofocused on the gear that hardly anyone realizes that it's the skill points that are DUST's actual force multiplier.take asquad of protostompers and drop them into all STD/MLT gear and the result is exactly the same. If you give them coordination the problem multiplies.

Is this a problem per se?

No.

Is it a problem that new players are allotted 1000 warpoints earned before we drop them in with these players?

Absolutely.

Do I have any sympathy for anyone who is b*tching that it's unfair because they want to play solo?

No. Not even jokingly.

My only real concern or care about protostomping is the fact that there is zero newbro tolerance there. And they have no chance if they've been spotted unless they are protected by an entire squad of experienced vets who are actively walking them through the game.

That is the protostomp problem.

Solo complainers about stomps can go die in a fire if they have more than 10m SP.

let me get right too it, proto stomping in pubs is a real problem to the game and i propose a solution or better yet a compromise.

i admit to enjoying running proto in matches as much as the next merc but when a herd of mercs with proto Scrambler rifles and core f*ck grenades its ridiculous and presents a problem...
i propose to restrict proto weapons (or maybe proto suits) to attempt some sort of balence...

as for the herd of squads dominating solos and rarely facing a MATCHED squad, i propose implementing a some sort of use of the total data of spent skill points of each player and time spent IN game in a given squad, time to be the deciding variable of how many skill points are too many.

take this and modify it as you will, this is just an idea but if you guys can spit ball ideas on how to make this better but we need to stop proto stomping squads some how...

As a 100% solo player (for now at least) I find that the biggest issue I have when I am getting protostomped isn't the enemy squads running proto gear. The biggest issue I have is how I see a lot of my teammates handle the situation of being protostomped.

If you realize you are being protostomped and you don't immediately register in your mind that this the moment when you need to become a true "tryhard" and that you need to give everything you have to that match regardless of how you feel the outcome might be then you are only making it that much easier for your team to get completely destroyed. I also notice a lot of people not helping their teammates with getting a kill and not providing cover fire. The lack of cover fire and suppressive fire I see in this game is ridiculous and is one of the biggest things that pisses me off. Protostompers rush, flank, and team up on the enemy and if you don't make any effort to try to figure out how to counter that or if you don't make any effort to do the exact same thing yourself then the problem is with a lack of effort and not necessarily with the protostompers.

I am not saying you are one of the people who don't try to make something happen when being protostomped. What I am saying is there are a lot of people who give up too easily in this game.

Of course CCP could just block people from forming squads in Public Matches and leave squads for FW and PC. I don't think we should be preventing people from using the gear that they put in time and effort to acquire.

[quote=Himiko Kuronaga]


Solo complainers about stomps can go die in a fire if they have more than 10m SP.