DUST Search - Logi Buff proposal

Pokey Dravon wrote:

Juno Tristan wrote:

Pokey Dravon wrote:

Juno Tristan wrote:

Without the penalty you could get the same ehp as an assault

I'm not saying they'd be better than assaults, but due to bandwidth (and lackluster cal/gal assault bonuses) I'd pick a slayer logi over an assault

Example

Gallente Assault
155 Base Shield HP
275 Base Armor HP
430 Base Total HP

Gallente Logistics
90 Base Shield HP
180 Base Armor HP
270 Base total HP

That's currently a 160 HP difference, a ratio of 1.59

If you have the Logistics 100 more base HP, it would still have 60 less HP, a ratio of 1.16.

They have identical slot layouts at the proto level. How exactly is that the same amount of HP?

I'll work out the exact figures later but I'm fairly certain logis have more cpu/pg and I know I can't fit all proto plates on my amarr assault

Easily countered by increasing the bonus for equipment reduction and reducing the base PG/CPU of the suit itself. What you end up with is a lower resource pool but it is effectively higher when using equipment. This means that even if you don't fit the equipment, it wont free up enough resources to surpass the Assault, however because fitting the equipment is cheaper, it allows the effective resource pool to be higher but only when using equipment.

Open-Beta Vet.
Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.


Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 0 post(s)
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 931	Posted - 2015.03.19 17:04:00 - [1] - Quote Georgia Xavier wrote: ...PRO but can't fully utilize them unless cores are fully upgraded or modules are used Anybody serious about Logi should be maxed cores long before going PRO. That said, the cpu on the Cal is extremely low. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 932	Posted - 2015.03.19 20:24:00 - [2] - Quote btw There is an ongoing discussion on this topic titled CPM input request :Logistics and Support from Cross Atu. He's got some proposals that are worth checking out and a lot of the input in here could be helpful there. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 933	Posted - 2015.03.19 21:30:00 - [3] - Quote DJINN Jecture wrote: el OPERATOR wrote: btw There is an ongoing discussion on this topic titled CPM input request :Logistics and Support from Cross Atu. He's got some proposals that are worth checking out and a lot of the input in here could be helpful there. I've made proposals there too, the problem with input needed threads are that there is too much input rather than focus on specific types of questions like do they need more hp? is equipment broken? do you enjoy the logis as they are functioning atm or do we need to tweak the slot layout? These threads are better for discussions. A single-topic thread has its merits for sure, my point about the input thread is that many of the agreed conclusions in hrre echo the conclusions there and since that thread is the more "direct communication" oriented venue having these conclusion added to those conclusion helps to bolster the final ideas as well as hopefully expedite their implementation. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 933	Posted - 2015.03.20 00:22:00 - [4] - Quote If the suit isn't better in direct combat than the going standard for direct combat suits how exactly is it a slayer anything? Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 934	Posted - 2015.03.20 00:32:00 - [5] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: Gallente- 5% more range, scan, and profile when using any of the ewar mods Community: "Wallhacks are bad" "EWAR Scouts are bad" "Let's nerf EWAR Scouts" "Let's buff EWAR Logis" Lol @ Community Apples. And Oranges. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 937	Posted - 2015.03.20 00:50:00 - [6] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: el OPERATOR wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: Gallente- 5% more range, scan, and profile when using any of the ewar mods Community: "Wallhacks are bad" "EWAR Scouts are bad" "Let's nerf EWAR Scouts" "Let's buff EWAR Logis" Lol @ Community Apples. And Oranges. Yeah OK, cupcake. Go for it. Further marginalize the Scout. You'll get one build, and then you'll get nerfed. Meanwhile, I'm all for picking and choosing my Scout buffs. We should pushing for things like Shotgun RoF, right? Its not like Scout EWAR is a thing anymore with GalLogis doing what they do so well. Oh, and while we're at it, let's buff Logi EWAR and give them more HP. 21dB 200m scans are too risky with under 1000HP. Trollololol Hey, real quick, what is the target illumination time and the cooldown time for that "21 db 200m permascanner"? And whats the lowest possible profile of the suit using it (a fully skilled, full proto GalLogi)? Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 938	Posted - 2015.03.20 01:32:00 - [7] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Juno Tristan wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Juno Tristan wrote: Without the penalty you could get the same ehp as an assault I'm not saying they'd be better than assaults, but due to bandwidth (and lackluster cal/gal assault bonuses) I'd pick a slayer logi over an assault Example Gallente Assault 155 Base Shield HP 275 Base Armor HP 430 Base Total HP Gallente Logistics 90 Base Shield HP 180 Base Armor HP 270 Base total HP That's currently a 160 HP difference, a ratio of 1.59 If you have the Logistics 100 more base HP, it would still have 60 less HP, a ratio of 1.16. They have identical slot layouts at the proto level. How exactly is that the same amount of HP? I'll work out the exact figures later but I'm fairly certain logis have more cpu/pg and I know I can't fit all proto plates on my amarr assault Easily countered by increasing the bonus for equipment reduction and reducing the base PG/CPU of the suit itself. What you end up with is a lower resource pool but it is effectively higher when using equipment. This means that even if you don't fit the equipment, it wont free up enough resources to surpass the Assault, however because fitting the equipment is cheaper, it allows the effective resource pool to be higher but only when using equipment. Seems legit. Just need to be careful not to create a nerf or a "wash" between the bonusing and the reduction. The idea looks right tho. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 940	Posted - 2015.03.20 20:43:00 - [8] - Quote Stay focused, ScrubShineBear! el OPERATOR wrote: And whats the lowest possible profile of the suit using it (a fully skilled, full proto GalLogi)? We're just getting your ducks together still, then we'll line them up etc. And how long is the actual scanning period ? Not the target illumination time, not the cooldown, the snapshot period. The actual active scan duration. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 940	Posted - 2015.03.20 21:02:00 - [9] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Creodron Flux 0 seconds - Scanner 1 fires 12 seconds- Scanner 2 fires 24 seconds- Scanner 3 fires 30 seconds- Scanner 1 ready 36 seconds- Scanner 1 fires 42 seconds- Scanner 2 ready Look Ma! EQ cycling! Just like weapon cycling from a primary to a sidearm! So OP!! Adipem Nothi wrote: DS3 - 3 scanners needed to permascan 200m / 90-¦ / 21dB Awesome! So not actually 360-¦!! And 360-¦ not actually possible!! Good to know, glad that you were able to prove how garbage your 360-¦ claim is!! We'll get to "perma" as we complete the actual data. Adipem Nothi wrote: KB/M - 3 scanners needed to permascan 200m / 360-¦ / 21dB Awesome!! So the kb/m is capable of producing movement that is 400% what the ds3 does!! I bet you Rattati would love to see a video demo of this behaviour, especially right now considering the amount of resources and hair-pulling he's been going through trying to address the endless complaints regarding hit-detection and lag!! Tell you what, if we have a movement disparity of 400% between the ds3 and whatever it is about kb/m (macro keys? high dpi mouse?) theres obviously something questionable there, unfortunately for your arguement it isn't the GalLogi, its bonus or the Active Scanner. Unfortunate for your conclusion also is that, from what we've seen historically, balancing isn't done based on outlier hardware use performance. Were that the case, RoF on all burst weapons would be 1 burst/second to compensate for turbo controllers. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 940	Posted - 2015.03.20 21:04:00 - [10] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: el OPERATOR wrote: Stay focused, ScrubShineBear! el OPERATOR wrote: And whats the lowest possible profile of the suit using it (a fully skilled, full proto GalLogi)? We're just getting your ducks together still, then we'll line them up etc. And how long is the actual scanning period ? Not the target illumination time, not the cooldown, the snapshot period. The actual active scan duration. Protofits isn't difficult to master. Just point and click; it does all the math for you. You're the cornholio that keeps on about this, rabble-rousing and disparaging the community at large any opportunity you get, present your "evidence". Prove your hypothesis. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.

el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 940	Posted - 2015.03.20 21:26:00 - [11] - Quote el OPERATOR wrote: And how long is the actual scanning period ? Not the target illumination time, not the cooldown, the snapshot period. The actual active scan duration. Whoa there, cowboy! First we complete the data then we start drawing conclusions. You know, Order of Operations? Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 940	Posted - 2015.03.20 21:29:00 - [12] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: el OPERATOR wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Creodron Flux 0 seconds - Scanner 1 fires 12 seconds- Scanner 2 fires 24 seconds- Scanner 3 fires 30 seconds- Scanner 1 ready 36 seconds- Scanner 1 fires 42 seconds- Scanner 2 ready Look Ma! Permascan shared teamwide from 200m out. If this is balanced, then the other Logis got a raw deal. Go ahead and buff them. Just not this one. This one's reward is already outweighing its risk. Oh ***! My bad! You've been harping this nonsense this whole time on behalf of the Logistics Community*!!! Well, that changes everything!! Damn! And the profile of that Gal is....? And the actual scanner snapshot period is....? Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 940	Posted - 2015.03.20 21:32:00 - [13] - Quote I absolutely <3 your non-addressing of the kb/m disparity, btw. Sometimes saying less really does just say so much more. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.