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Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5510	Posted - 2015.03.19 22:52:00 - [1] - Quote I don't see why people are so terrified of giving Logis more HP without some goofy penalty. Even if you have Logistics 100 more base HP, it would still have less HP than assaults. Why is that a problem? "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast www.biomassed.net
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5510	Posted - 2015.03.19 23:20:00 - [2] - Quote Glitch116 wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: I don't see why people are so terrified of giving Logis more HP without some goofy penalty. Even if you have Logistics 100 more base HP, it would still have less HP than assaults. Why is that a problem? the thing is hit points are not the logis main problem and just a hit point buff is not going to change anything could logis stand to have more EHP? yes should this be the main concern at this point? no Im not saying it's the only thing that should happen, but people seem to have this odd aversion to giving them more survivability. "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast www.biomassed.net
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5510	Posted - 2015.03.19 23:54:00 - [3] - Quote Juno Tristan wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Glitch116 wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: I don't see why people are so terrified of giving Logis more HP without some goofy penalty. Even if you have Logistics 100 more base HP, it would still have less HP than assaults. Why is that a problem? the thing is hit points are not the logis main problem and just a hit point buff is not going to change anything could logis stand to have more EHP? yes should this be the main concern at this point? no Im not saying it's the only thing that should happen, but people seem to have this odd aversion to giving them more survivability. The penalty is to maintain total max ehp to the current setup otherwise you run the risk of slayer logis The higher ehp base means logis are free to run other mods, meaning they can focus on ewar/hacking/speed to satisfy individual preference How do you run risk of a slayer Logi if its still slower and has less HP than an Assault? "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast www.biomassed.net
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5511	Posted - 2015.03.20 00:22:00 - [4] - Quote Juno Tristan wrote: Without the penalty you could get the same ehp as an assault I'm not saying they'd be better than assaults, but due to bandwidth (and lackluster cal/gal assault bonuses) I'd pick a slayer logi over an assault Example Gallente Assault 155 Base Shield HP 275 Base Armor HP 430 Base Total HP Gallente Logistics 90 Base Shield HP 180 Base Armor HP 270 Base total HP That's currently a 160 HP difference, a ratio of 1.59 If you have the Logistics 100 more base HP, it would still have 60 less HP, a ratio of 1.16. They have identical slot layouts at the proto level. How exactly is that the same amount of HP? "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast www.biomassed.net
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5512	Posted - 2015.03.20 01:01:00 - [5] - Quote Juno Tristan wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Juno Tristan wrote: Without the penalty you could get the same ehp as an assault I'm not saying they'd be better than assaults, but due to bandwidth (and lackluster cal/gal assault bonuses) I'd pick a slayer logi over an assault Example Gallente Assault 155 Base Shield HP 275 Base Armor HP 430 Base Total HP Gallente Logistics 90 Base Shield HP 180 Base Armor HP 270 Base total HP That's currently a 160 HP difference, a ratio of 1.59 If you have the Logistics 100 more base HP, it would still have 60 less HP, a ratio of 1.16. They have identical slot layouts at the proto level. How exactly is that the same amount of HP? I'll work out the exact figures later but I'm fairly certain logis have more cpu/pg and I know I can't fit all proto plates on my amarr assault Easily countered by increasing the bonus for equipment reduction and reducing the base PG/CPU of the suit itself. What you end up with is a lower resource pool but it is effectively higher when using equipment. This means that even if you don't fit the equipment, it wont free up enough resources to surpass the Assault, however because fitting the equipment is cheaper, it allows the effective resource pool to be higher but only when using equipment. "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast www.biomassed.net
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5512	Posted - 2015.03.20 01:37:00 - [6] - Quote el OPERATOR wrote: Seems legit. Just need to be careful not to create a nerf or a "wash" between the bonusing and the reduction. The idea looks right tho. Yeah that's not really a balancing job I want to deal with personally but it should work. I mean it's the exact same principle as the Scouts with the cloaks, large reduction to the cloak to allow the scout to easily fit it without giving them excessive base fitting. Now obviously in the case of a logi vs assault, its fitting 4 times the equipment rather than fitting a super resource-intensive single equipment, but the principle is the same. "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast www.biomassed.net
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5515	Posted - 2015.03.20 07:14:00 - [7] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Huh... That sounds a lot like something I suggested, oh, a year ago. So sad this is still a thing. Oh, and look.. It's a slayer logi? (Where?) see.. Over there.. If you squint real hard you can see it right there... in 2013. I hear ya brother. I was always very weary of the +25% reduction when it came out, always expected something more along the lines of 50%-75% DJINN Jecture wrote: Sorry that's my fault, too many melee kills with my rep tool...and my nanohive club is badass too. You should know that as a Logi you carry that gun just for show right? You're not actually supposed to kill anyone with it! Geeze, assault wannabe. "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast www.biomassed.net

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