DUST Search - Min Assault

Eruditus 920 wrote:

Adipem Nothi wrote:

Eruditus 920 wrote:

One Eyed King wrote:

According to Rattati they are making some serious headway up the K/S boards (or some other such board).

Don't be surprised if some changes come, and when they do, it won't be solely based upon people complaining about them.

This may very well be the case.

But when using metrics such as these we will always have a "1, 2, 3, 4" ranking results.

in other words, something will always be the most used, most efficient. If we nerf that, something else moves up.

What then?

Progress is made with each iteration as long as extremes are drawn inward toward the mean.

So when does it end? When performance is measured by .0001?

It never ends. CCP has much bigger endeavors with this game that would make it more popular, but gets bogged down in this meaningless crap which at this point is such a small problem.

It speaks to the level CCP is governed by the ever complaining, ever unhappy forum who hates dying in a FPS.

I don't know how much time DUST has left, but with the limited resources I would much rather they focus on adding content or fixing bugs then balancing at this point.

I don't know. I see it and it's pretty clear but I guess I am the minority.

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Diablo Gamekeeper KILL-EM-QUICK 149	Posted - 2015.03.17 00:23:00 - [1] - Quote Stop bitching about it. "I think he just Assert Dominance all over my face."-Saxonmish
Tectonic Fusion 2350	Posted - 2015.03.17 00:26:00 - [2] - Quote Bacon. (GIF)
Eruditus 920 Nemo Malus Felix 1478	Posted - 2015.03.17 00:41:00 - [3] - Quote I will not stop complaining until it finally receives a much needed buff. "Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
Golden Day Corrosive Synergy 1050	Posted - 2015.03.17 00:43:00 - [4] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: I will not stop complaining until it finally receives a much needed buff. +1 nice joke im not crazy......( -í° -£-û -í°)
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game RUST415 1082	Posted - 2015.03.17 00:58:00 - [5] - Quote They have reasons to do so. Caldari Hero Loyal To The State Mejt0 Sale List
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 8613	Posted - 2015.03.17 01:15:00 - [6] - Quote According to Rattati they are making some serious headway up the K/S boards (or some other such board). Don't be surprised if some changes come, and when they do, it won't be solely based upon people complaining about them. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens 3384	Posted - 2015.03.17 01:24:00 - [7] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: According to Rattati they are making some serious headway up the K/S boards (or some other such board). Don't be surprised if some changes come, and when they do, it won't be solely based upon people complaining about them. Hopefully it will be more "get the other Assaults up" rather than "put that one back in line." "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Eruditus 920 Nemo Malus Felix 1479	Posted - 2015.03.17 01:25:00 - [8] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: According to Rattati they are making some serious headway up the K/S boards (or some other such board). Don't be surprised if some changes come, and when they do, it won't be solely based upon people complaining about them. This may very well be the case. But when using metrics such as these we will always have a "1, 2, 3, 4" ranking results. in other words, something will always be the most used, most efficient. if we nerf that, something else moves up. What then? "Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 7785	Posted - 2015.03.17 01:49:00 - [9] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: One Eyed King wrote: According to Rattati they are making some serious headway up the K/S boards (or some other such board). Don't be surprised if some changes come, and when they do, it won't be solely based upon people complaining about them. This may very well be the case. But when using metrics such as these we will always have a "1, 2, 3, 4" ranking results. in other words, something will always be the most used, most efficient. If we nerf that, something else moves up. What then? Progress is made with each iteration as long as extremes are drawn inward toward the mean. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 8616	Posted - 2015.03.17 02:23:00 - [10] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: One Eyed King wrote: According to Rattati they are making some serious headway up the K/S boards (or some other such board). Don't be surprised if some changes come, and when they do, it won't be solely based upon people complaining about them. Hopefully it will be more "get the other Assaults up" rather than "put that one back in line." That assumes that the MinAss is balanced. If it is not, then all you are doing is making all Assaults over perform. Between Alpha and Charlie Minjas were greatly under performing, but the answer to fixing them wasn't merely to bring them up to par with other scouts that were vastly over performing. That shouldn't be the goal, the goal should be a balance between all roles to make them equally viable, or as close as can reasonably be expected. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.

Eruditus 920 Nemo Malus Felix 1479	Posted - 2015.03.17 02:25:00 - [11] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Eruditus 920 wrote: One Eyed King wrote: According to Rattati they are making some serious headway up the K/S boards (or some other such board). Don't be surprised if some changes come, and when they do, it won't be solely based upon people complaining about them. This may very well be the case. But when using metrics such as these we will always have a "1, 2, 3, 4" ranking results. in other words, something will always be the most used, most efficient. If we nerf that, something else moves up. What then? Progress is made with each iteration as long as extremes are drawn inward toward the mean. So when does it end? When performance is measured by .0001? It never ends. CCP has much bigger endeavors with this game that would make it more popular, but gets bogged down in this meaningless crap which at this point is such a small problem. It speaks to the level CCP is governed by the ever complaining, ever unhappy forum who hates dying in a FPS. I don't know how much time DUST has left, but with the limited resources I would much rather they focus on adding content or fixing bugs then balancing at this point. I don't know. I see it and it's pretty clear but I guess I am the minority. "Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
Golden Day Corrosive Synergy 1053	Posted - 2015.03.17 02:37:00 - [12] - Quote It does get annoying when Min assault super strafe past your shots and runs away when low on shields/armor im not crazy......( -í° -£-û -í°)
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 8617	Posted - 2015.03.17 02:43:00 - [13] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Eruditus 920 wrote: One Eyed King wrote: According to Rattati they are making some serious headway up the K/S boards (or some other such board). Don't be surprised if some changes come, and when they do, it won't be solely based upon people complaining about them. This may very well be the case. But when using metrics such as these we will always have a "1, 2, 3, 4" ranking results. in other words, something will always be the most used, most efficient. If we nerf that, something else moves up. What then? Progress is made with each iteration as long as extremes are drawn inward toward the mean. So when does it end? When performance is measured by .0001? It never ends. CCP has much bigger endeavors with this game that would make it more popular, but gets bogged down in this meaningless crap which at this point is such a small problem. It speaks to the level CCP is governed by the ever complaining, ever unhappy forum who hates dying in a FPS. I don't know how much time DUST has left, but with the limited resources I would much rather they focus on adding content or fixing bugs then balancing at this point. I don't know. I see it and it's pretty clear but I guess I am the minority. New content won't mean much without good balance. There will always be some marginal difference between suits, but when it is as large as the MinAss is now, that is significant enough to be a problem. When people start seeing such a significant benefit that they drop whatever fits the used to use and switch for viability, that is a big red flag to me. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Eruditus 920 Nemo Malus Felix 1480	Posted - 2015.03.17 02:46:00 - [14] - Quote Golden Day wrote: It does get annoying when Min assault super strafe past your shots and runs away when low on shields/armor Jesus Christ this is what I am talking about! It never freakin ends. They strafe better than a scout?! Really? Players will always complain. And this is what CCP is focusing the limited resources on. Min assault strafing. Are you kidding me? All the bugs? All the promised content never delivered? No wonder this game is free on a console that is in the hands of tens of millions of end users with a player count less 5,000. Call me a liar i dare you. Rant over. "Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
Golden Day Corrosive Synergy 1053	Posted - 2015.03.17 02:49:00 - [15] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: Golden Day wrote: It does get annoying when Min assault super strafe past your shots and runs away when low on shields/armor Jesus Christ this is what I am talking about! It never freakin ends. They strafe better than a scout?! Really? Players will always complain. And this is what CCP is focusing the limited resources on. Min assault strafing. Are you kidding me? All the bugs? All the promised content never delivered? No wonder this game is free on a console that is in the hands of tens of millions of end users with a player count less than 5,000. Call me a liar I dare you. Rant over. I wasnt asking for a nerf or anything.....just saying it gets pretty annoying when they strafe past your shots land all bullets on you and manage to run away.......why so hostile im not crazy......( -í° -£-û -í°)
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens 3387	Posted - 2015.03.17 02:50:00 - [16] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: One Eyed King wrote: According to Rattati they are making some serious headway up the K/S boards (or some other such board). Don't be surprised if some changes come, and when they do, it won't be solely based upon people complaining about them. Hopefully it will be more "get the other Assaults up" rather than "put that one back in line." That assumes that the MinAss is balanced. If it is not, then all you are doing is making all Assaults over perform. Between Alpha and Charlie Minjas were greatly under performing, but the answer to fixing them wasn't merely to bring them up to par with other scouts that were vastly over performing. That shouldn't be the goal, the goal should be a balance between all roles to make them equally viable, or as close as can reasonably be expected. The other suits give up less than they receive, other than Assaults. Scouts: Give up EHP to get Speed, E-War, and Cloak. Commando: Give up Speed to get more damage and versatility with Light Weapons. Logistics: Give up EHP to gain bonuses to Support and additional Equipment slots. Sentinel: Give up Speed to gain access to a unique weapon group and lots of EHP. Assaults: Just kind of there as slightly better basic frames. I would argue that the only reason the Minmatar Assault is the go to Assault is that it does a trade while the others don't. Unlike all the other Assaults, it loses a small amount of EHP to gain a fairly big chunk of speed. The difference between my Prototype Caldari Assault and a Prototype Caldari Frame is 1 high slot, 65 more Shield, 35 more Armor, and getting .5 less Armor Repair a second. Sure, I can reload my Rail Rifle faster (2.4 rather than 3.2) and I get a fitting reduction on Light weapons and Sidearms but it is no different than the most basic of basics. The Minmatar is the only one that is actually good/great. The other Assaults are pretty bad. I have thought for the longest time that they have all been in the doghouse. Naturally, there is one that is not: the Minmatar Assault. I would like to see the Assault role as a whole move up a bit rather than just the Minmatar being put back with the rest of the Assaults. Maybe the Minmatar is too powerful, I don't really know. However, I still think it is better for all Assaults to at least meet halfway. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 5975	Posted - 2015.03.17 02:52:00 - [17] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: Golden Day wrote: It does get annoying when Min assault super strafe past your shots and runs away when low on shields/armor Jesus Christ this is what I am talking about! It never freakin ends. They strafe better than a scout?! Really? Players will always complain. And this is what CCP is focusing the limited resources on. Min assault strafing. Are you kidding me? All the bugs? All the promised content never delivered? No wonder this game is free on a console that is in the hands of tens of millions of end users with a player count less than 5,000. Call me a liar I dare you. Rant over. looks at Amarr scout Yes really (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
gustavo acosta Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 1068	Posted - 2015.03.17 04:38:00 - [18] - Quote All the assaults are fine, except for the Min assault. It's because it doesn't sacrifice enough hp for the amount of speed buffs, and stamina regeneration buffs that it gets. The reason everyone is using it is because it has the best stats, it's not the "broken hit-box," or the "crazy strafe" by itself. The min assault just has way too much going for it. GimmeDatSuhWeet isk We found a new pope to teach shield users how to shield tank, all hail pope redblood the 6th
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 7794	Posted - 2015.03.17 04:51:00 - [19] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Eruditus 920 wrote: One Eyed King wrote: According to Rattati they are making some serious headway up the K/S boards (or some other such board). Don't be surprised if some changes come, and when they do, it won't be solely based upon people complaining about them. This may very well be the case. But when using metrics such as these we will always have a "1, 2, 3, 4" ranking results. in other words, something will always be the most used, most efficient. If we nerf that, something else moves up. What then? Progress is made with each iteration as long as extremes are drawn inward toward the mean. So when does it end? When performance is measured by .0001? It never ends. CCP has much bigger endeavors with this game that would make it more popular, but gets bogged down in this meaningless crap which at this point is such a small problem. It speaks to the level CCP is governed by the ever complaining, ever unhappy forum who hates dying in a FPS. I don't know how much time DUST has left, but with the limited resources I would much rather they focus on adding content or fixing bugs then balancing at this point. I don't know. I see it and it's pretty clear but I guess I am the minority. It really depends on the degree of separation. If there are outliers in the efficiency data, then we should address them. If there are items with substantially disproportionate usage rates, then we should address them. If the MN Assault is or becomes significantly distanced from the median / norm, then we should address it. Otherwise, we should let it be. In other words, "slightly better" or "slightly worse" aren't problems worth solving. But we certainly shouldn't ignore "significantly better" and "significantly worse". Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1882	Posted - 2015.03.17 05:00:00 - [20] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: One Eyed King wrote: According to Rattati they are making some serious headway up the K/S boards (or some other such board). Don't be surprised if some changes come, and when they do, it won't be solely based upon people complaining about them. Hopefully it will be more "get the other Assaults up" rather than "put that one back in line." Makes sense but when have you ever known anything like that o happen around these parts ? Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .



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