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Summa Militum
Hidd3n Dragon
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Posted - 2015.03.15 17:43:00 -
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JARREL THOMAS wrote:Summa Militum wrote:Because you can lose every match, regardless of the gamemode, due to clone depletion. So all you people who don't care about your KDR in the sense that it leads you to end a match with 18 deaths and 1 kill can go **** yourself. Your bitchass fucks up your teammates W/L ratio with your bullshit.
K/D...
Nice meme their buddy. You wanna know how I help my team secure objectives? I kill the enemies guarding the objective and then I hack the objective myself. |
Alena Ventrallis
Ahrendee Inc.
Negative-Feedback
2713
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Posted - 2015.03.15 17:45:00 -
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KDR has never mattered. ISK efficiency matters. That's why I have several completely BPO suits built. I can die 25 times a match and never lose a single penny. I kill your proto suit 3 times in a match and you're losing money. Keep running proto and letting my free suits kill you, your bank runs dry and mine just keeps getting bigger and bigger.
ISK efficiency is the ultimate sign of skill. If my basic suit can kill your proto suit, whose the better player?
Listen to my muscle memory
Contemplate what I've been clinging to
Forty-six and two ahead of me
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Summa Militum
Hidd3n Dragon
284
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Posted - 2015.03.15 17:46:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:Except for the fact that a majority of MCC based games like Domination and Skirmish are rarely won via clone count.
Not to mention that Duna has an incredibly high KDR, which by your logic should equal a significantly high W/L ratio, but that isn't the case. My KDR is lower than 1, but my W/L ratio is above, and well above that of Duna.
KDR is insignificant.
I primarily play Ambush where KDR is very significant. |
gustavo acosta
Capital Acquisitions LLC
Bad Intention
1049
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Posted - 2015.03.15 17:50:00 -
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Summa Militum wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Except for the fact that a majority of MCC based games like Domination and Skirmish are rarely won via clone count.
Not to mention that Duna has an incredibly high KDR, which by your logic should equal a significantly high W/L ratio, but that isn't the case. My KDR is lower than 1, but my W/L ratio is above, and well above that of Duna.
KDR is insignificant. I primarily play Ambush where KDR is very significant.
Even though it still isn't significant in ambush either. Doesn't matter how much anyone can slay as long as the team with the better logis keep saving the clones.
GimmeDatSuhWeet isk
We found a new pope to teach shield users how to shield tank, all hail pope redblood the 6th
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Summa Militum
Hidd3n Dragon
284
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Posted - 2015.03.15 17:58:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:Except for the fact that a majority of MCC based games like Domination and Skirmish are rarely won via clone count.
Not to mention that Duna has an incredibly high KDR, which by your logic should equal a significantly high W/L ratio, but that isn't the case. My KDR is lower than 1, but my W/L ratio is above, and well above that of Duna.
KDR is insignificant.
Duna has a 4.21 W/L ratio. His KDR is high because he cruises around in tanks all the time.
Are you not able to reasonably assess the stats a particular player has in relation to the role they play in this game? |
SgtMajSquish MLBJ
Consolidated Dust
386
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Posted - 2015.03.16 05:25:00 -
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Summa Militum wrote:Because you can lose every match, regardless of the gamemode, due to clone depletion. So all you people who don't care about your KDR in the sense that it leads you to end a match with 18 deaths and 1 kill can go **** yourself. Your bitchass fucks up your teammates W/L ratio with your bullshit.
you can go back to CoD if you KDR matters so much to you
One cannot carry hatred without having once loved. NKing the forums one thread at a time
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John Psi
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC
Steel Balls Alliance
1428
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Posted - 2015.03.16 05:37:00 -
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KDR no matter.
I know legal way to improve your results more than doubled.
It's not a cybersport and never was.
Please support fair play!
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DUST Fiend
16089
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Posted - 2015.03.16 05:39:00 -
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THIS is why KDR matters
Contests, Sales, Writing etc
Fly Safe
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SgtMajSquish MLBJ
Consolidated Dust
387
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Posted - 2015.03.16 05:40:00 -
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exactly. KDR is for e-peen purposes only
One cannot carry hatred without having once loved. NKing the forums one thread at a time
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John Psi
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC
Steel Balls Alliance
1428
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Posted - 2015.03.16 05:44:00 -
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576p, speed 8 m/s, aim assist <==== this, why KDR no matters.
Please support fair play!
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Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
1583
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Posted - 2015.03.16 10:16:00 -
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Summa Militum wrote:Because you can lose every match, regardless of the gamemode, due to clone depletion. So all you people who don't care about your KDR in the sense that it leads you to end a match with 18 deaths and 1 kill can go **** yourself. Your bitchass fucks up your teammates W/L ratio with your bullshit.
Yeah, I'm sure those guys going 1-18 are just loving it and doing it to annoy you. You should really ***** at them and make them feel bad for it because that is what a cool guy would do.
Because, that's why.
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Colossus of Sardia
Mithril Forge
E-R-A
24
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Posted - 2015.03.16 13:21:00 -
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I sacrificed my KDR for ISK (used militia suits for a long time and still do occasionally)... Now I'm rich and I regret nothing. BTW I know so many squad players which high KDR but solo they fail miserably. |
rpastry
Dead Man's Game
282
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Posted - 2015.03.16 14:16:00 -
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Some time after the proud day I got my KDR to 1.00 I got hooked chasing KDR, it became the one statistic I judged myself on. I felt I was progressing with the game. I played cautiously but still to win, the risk of dying became an adrenaline rush which drove me to survive, and to kill effectively.
I set myself goals to reach. I hit them. I played with squads, I protostomped, I played solo. It kept going up. I hit 3,3 and a half,4,5,6 and finally 7. I peaked at 7.15. 'I am reasonably good at this' I thought. It was fun.
Then It started going backwards. I panicked. My play style became dominated with conserving my KDR. It stopped being fun. I was backsliding, it fell back to 6.99. I stopped playing.
I played an alt. I played to win, I played for lols. It became fun again. I started playing my main again. Slumming it in basic suits had sharpened me slightly. I got the KD back to 7.02. I was satisfied, but realized I was still having more fun on my alt running cheap suits and not caring.
The irony?
My W/L is about the same on both characters.
[Removed ASCII Art - CCP Logibro]
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Mad Syringe
ReDust Inc.
518
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Posted - 2015.03.16 14:53:00 -
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My biggest gripe with people who are fixed on their KDR, is when they roam around hunting down the scattered reds, just to leave your ass alone protecting the objective... I've lost games because those slayers couldn't be asked to stick to the objective. And often it's the guys who protect the node, that get killed to hold the reds of.
Sometimes they just bugger of because they have no more ammo, leaving their comrades on their own, while I can't count the times I have suicided to get more ammo on a fresh suit. That's the difference betwheen a team player and a selfish slayer.
Sometimes, these cowards make me feel sick, but that's it, some people like to pad their stats, and some like to play the objective.
I must say though, that you see this behaviour mostly in pubs, since in PC at least the good players know when it's time to sacrifice a suit, to get the ojective. |
Summa Militum
Hidd3n Dragon
284
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Posted - 2015.03.16 18:51:00 -
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7 Djin wrote:Summa Militum wrote:Because you can lose every match, regardless of the gamemode, due to clone depletion. So all you people who don't care about your KDR in the sense that it leads you to end a match with 18 deaths and 1 kill can go **** yourself. Your bitchass fucks up your teammates W/L ratio with your bullshit.
Lol tard , clone depletion has everything to do with team play and keeping tight and not dying like a blueberry and nothing to do with kdr. Get gud scrub
Notice how you said not dying like a blueberry. Do you not see how that has a direct correlation with a KDR?
The problem I am seeing with a lot of you is that for some reason in your mind if someone cares about their KDR it means that is the only thing they view to determine if they are skilled or not. My primary objectives in this game is to win the match and score at the top of the leaderboards.
In the OMS Ambush match I had played that led me to start this thread as a means to vent 3 people on my team died close to 50 times combined; their kill count combined was 4. Those 3 people lost that match for the rest of the team and the KDR is a clear indication of that. |
GLOBAL RAGE
Consolidated Dust
137
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Posted - 2015.03.16 21:37:00 -
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Summa Militum wrote:Because you can lose every match, regardless of the gamemode, due to clone depletion. So all you people who don't care about your KDR in the sense that it leads you to end a match with 18 deaths and 1 kill can go **** yourself. Your bitchass fucks up your teammates W/L ratio with your bullshit.
KDR is a metric that directly influences players behavior. I argue that it is pointless, because of the bad behavior ie not hacking, not destroying equipment, snipping and others.
I play 100% BPO in a Standard suit 95% of the time, my life time KDR is 1.4, and enjoy objective pubs. I am always pushing, and everyone can get a piece of me-I am noob friendly!
I love DUST and frown upon my corp mates running anything higher than advanced, and have a self-imposed rule to not run PROTO in pubs. I can OMNI 5 proto suits and thier fittings.
If you love DUST, and you say you're HARDCORE FPS, then pick up my challenge.
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Summa Militum
Hidd3n Dragon
284
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Posted - 2015.03.16 22:01:00 -
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GLOBAL RAGE wrote:Summa Militum wrote:Because you can lose every match, regardless of the gamemode, due to clone depletion. So all you people who don't care about your KDR in the sense that it leads you to end a match with 18 deaths and 1 kill can go **** yourself. Your bitchass fucks up your teammates W/L ratio with your bullshit.
KDR is a metric that directly influences players behavior. I argue that it is pointless, because of the bad behavior ie not hacking, not destroying equipment, snipping and others. I play 100% BPO in a Standard suit 95% of the time, my life time KDR is 1.4, and enjoy objective pubs. I am always pushing, and everyone can get a piece of me-I am noob friendly! I love DUST and frown upon my corp mates running anything higher than advanced, and have a self-imposed rule to not run PROTO in pubs. I can OMNI 5 proto suits and thier fittings. If you love DUST, and you say you're HARDCORE FPS, then pick up my challenge.
I used to run a standard fit in Ambush matches to gain ISK quickly. Now I am able to gain ISK quickly using an advanced fit. I use proto suits sometimes because...why the hell not? I skilled into prototype suits and weapons so that I can use them. I don't have time to wait 5 to 15 minutes just to get into a FW match just so I can use my proto suits. As a solo player it takes a long time for me to get into a FW match but I can get into a public match real quick. |
Mex-0
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
471
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Posted - 2015.03.16 22:04:00 -
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Summa Militum wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Or.
You could try, not caring.
It's ******* awesome. I bet you are one of them. You disgust me, sir.
The funny thing is, DUST fiend is a dedicated Dropshipper.
The only time I've seen him die is out side of his dropship.
Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
8591
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Posted - 2015.03.16 22:09:00 -
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Summa Militum wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Except for the fact that a majority of MCC based games like Domination and Skirmish are rarely won via clone count.
Not to mention that Duna has an incredibly high KDR, which by your logic should equal a significantly high W/L ratio, but that isn't the case. My KDR is lower than 1, but my W/L ratio is above, and well above that of Duna.
KDR is insignificant. I primarily play Ambush where KDR is very significant.
You can't generalize the whole game based around one game mode, particularly when the higher end game modes like FW and PC do not involve ambush.
Even in Ambush, a Logi repping a heavy can have a significant effect on a match while going KDR negative.
It would be more appropriate to say that KDR is very significant in Ambush, it is not appropriate to say KDR is significant generally.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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Mad Syringe
ReDust Inc.
522
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Posted - 2015.03.16 22:46:00 -
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Summa Militum wrote:
In the OMS Ambush match I had played that led me to start this thread as a means to vent 3 people on my team died close to 50 times combined; their kill count combined was 4. Those 3 people lost that match for the rest of the team and the KDR is a clear indication of that.
The reason for that is however not their personal skill, but their personal amount of SP and ISK, so not their ability.
The KDR of a noob is bad because this game is built that way, and if they want to play ambush, they'll probably die a lot.
The only way to fix that, would be to put all the diehard KDR dudes in one match, and all the low kdr guys in another. But since the player numbers are too low, this will not happen. So suck it and live with it. the stompers make the low SP players die a lot, which leads to most of them leaving the game, which in return, makes it much harder for scotty to give us balanced games.
This won't change, and I still don't care about people who think their kdr is worth ****!
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Nirwanda Vaughns
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Posted - 2015.03.16 23:14:00 -
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And for every 'great' player with an impressive KDR there's usually a great logi behind them keeping them alive in order to get that KDR 
Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience
proud C-II bpo owner
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JJ'S
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
20
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Posted - 2015.03.17 18:03:00 -
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Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:And for every 'great' player with an impressive KDR there's usually a great logi behind them keeping them alive in order to get that KDR
Keep telling yourself that.
Logi's didn't even exist really in DUST for a while.
The 'great players' are the ones that get the same results no matter what.. PC... Public match... Similar KD/R... Alot of the players today think because they can get decent scores in Pubs they are good.
That makes them a pubstar... There are alot of those... The players that can jump in PC with 16 good players on the otherside working as a team and still kill 30 and die 3-4 times are the 'great players' .
Everyone else is just stroking their epeeners. |
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