manboar thunder fist wrote:The problem, pokey, is that CCP is buffing and nerfing av and tanks left right and centre to achieve balance but no consideration for dropships is being put in. This leads to more bad than good since av will always increase and tanks get better, and as tanks get better nerfs will come to modules. This all affects the dropships so why aren't they being considered? Are we just a side effect?
Also bear in mind that there are many of us and very few developers. We have a hell of a lot more time collectively to talk and think about this stuff and each group can focus on its own project, this is not quite as true for Rattati and company. I mean take it from me, I try to be as involved in as many projects as possible but I'm often exhausted and have to back off of what I would like to work on simply because I don't have enough hours in the day. And the thing is Rattati for certain puts in more hours than I do and has his hands in even more projects. That being said, I don't know how the guy doesn't die from sleep deprivation.
I'm not defending his choice of prioritization, god knows I'm about at my wits end that Logistics have been ignored for so long despite there being extensive discussion and proposals regarding Logistics. However, it's abundantly clear to me by my own personal experience that there are simply not enough hours in the day to address everything at once, hell there's not enough time to really touch on everything in a given week, much less to do meaningful work.
However what you should take away from this is that even if you feel that his priorities are wrong (and lets be honest, everyone want's to be first, that's human nature) the fact the remains that its impossible to put everyone first in line. I mean if you have an issue with the prioritization, that's totally legit, but being aggressive or accusatory will not net you the desired result. Keep in mind Rattati doesn't sleep much, so ticking him off is going to get you the finger. God knows when I'm tired everyone who fucks with me can go **** themselves instead.
Now for the topic of the dropships, I don't fly them, so I can't really comment much. I can tell you however that HAVs were messed up, REALLY messed up, and they're in a lot better place right now. While you can't design in a vaccum, its also impossible to fix the entire system and everything at the same time. So like, he felt that resource cost of the shield hardener needed to be ramped up, but trust me when I say that further tweaking is going to be needed to get Armor/Shield hardeners working properly for HAVs. If Dropships need a little extra resources to temporary compensate for the Shield hardener cost? Totally legit thing to ask for, so ask for that. However since they will most likely be tweaked more once we have some more data, I don't think it would be wise to really start messing with dropships in any significant manner until we get those hardeners in a better place. If dropships need some temporary measures to cope with the changes? Sounds fine to me.
Vulpes Dolosus wrote:
What about Pokey's spreadsheet suggesting LAV slot progression and my and others' numerous posts about the state of LAVs? Yet you haven't commented on LAV buffs other than "only increasing PG/CPU," which we believe won't solve their issues.
Can we at least start looking toward reintroducing the variants to reward those who invest the SP and risk the ISK?
To be fair, that spreadsheet is hardly ready for Rattati digestion and I haven't really posted it up as finalized idea. While I really want LAVs to be viable and working properly, and I would love to see them working properly (they're really not working, not in Delta and certainly not in Echo) let's finish the HAVs best we can, tackle whatever rammifications the HAV rework had on Dropships, and then focus on LAVs.
I think that if he wants to do a tentative increase to LAV slot layout to make fit LAVs more survivable for the time being, that's fine as long as the understanding is that it needs to have a proper pass once the HAVs and Dropships are working properly. Sadly I can't really do **** for Dropships so I'll keep working on HAVs and LAVs for the time being.