DUST Search - Factional Warfare - Yet another FW improvement idea

Blade Vulu wrote:

It seems like a great idea overall.

Currently I have only two concerns and a question of clarification.

The first is due to the current matchmaking system which is trying to stop putting people near the end of the game. So in essence this concern is more that example at system 4 might not work well with the match making system currently implemented. (otherwise nothing else on that aspect.)

My second concern, Is the viewing of the number of people versus (forgive me if I misread); My concern comes from possible free LP gains via viewing that particular info about amount of players via each side. As we know, there will be many player that would love to tag on to an end of the battle where they can join a winning side of (eg. caladari 16 vs Gallante 4) and get loyalty points via that route [whether at the last minute or just by viewing information. (of course then some people complaining about uneven or possible proto stomp or even corp stomping).
-my suggestion don't provide that number for each side on the main hud of battle. (the general count from x/32 ) should give enough information to say f they really want to join seeing that matchmaking system tries to balance the match out either way.
-Otherwise, hopefully matchmaking system will take care of this concern for the most part.

Lastly. my question for clarification to help me understand: I understand there is a thing where corps can fight for districts. my question will this effect factional in anyway?
Reason for question is if districts is effecting factional in general we could have an issue where people avoid certain factional because specific corps will protect certain system and can possible over dominate (or even under dominate ) certain areas.

In advance thank you for your clarification since I'm still relatively new.

Overall Thoughts:
I feel its a great idea and provides a great tie to eve and gives a more dynamic tactical aspect to the fighting in factionals. My best wishes to see if this pans out with ccp.


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Kaeru Nayiri Ready to Play 629	Posted - 2015.03.13 18:33:00 - [1] - Quote What if FW battles were persistent, whether people are online or not, they go on and end regardless of whether there are enough people to fight on either side or not? Let's say when a squad hits up factional warfare they see a list of battles that are going on. These are battles that would be going on whether anyone was fighting in them or not ! Example: System1: Caldari (4 players) vs Gallente (0 players) (5 mins left, or warbarge HP progress) System2: Caldari (16 players) vs Gallente (12 players) (15 mins left, or warbarge HP progress) System3: Amarr (14 players) vs Minmatar (16 players) (about to begin) System4: Amarr (12 players) vs Minmatar (12 players) (2 mins left, or warbarge HP progress) etc... Then the squad could PICK which system to go to. Here are the PROs: - Battle X is about to end, but the warbarge is pretty even, let's go there and make a difference ! - Battle Y is only 3 minutes in, but it looks like a total loss, our efforts are better spent in Battle Z which is about to begin. - Squad 1 wants to q-sync with Squad 2 and Squad 3, let them just pick the same battle in the battle finder, and voila, no queue time. - A squad has Eve players on standby and only picks the battles in the vicinity of the Eve fleet for easy coordination. - Even Solo players would never have to wait for a match, or at least see that all matches for his given faction are full and queue up for the next available fight. I think this mimics FW of eve fairly well in the sense that people pick where they want to go. People who want big fights will go to the big fights and lone wolf squads will take their chances in empty battles, though they may get a sudden rush of enemy forces mid-way to stomp them. Special contracts that existed in the past for events and whatnot used to work this way already, therefore it hopefully requires a bit less overhead to put this together. Know what cannot be known.
Kaeru Nayiri Ready to Play 641	Posted - 2015.03.15 16:36:00 - [2] - Quote any feedback at all would be welcome ! Know what cannot be known.
Kaeru Nayiri Ready to Play 901	Posted - 2015.04.03 20:56:00 - [3] - Quote Blade Vulu wrote: It seems like a great idea overall. Currently I have only two concerns and a question of clarification. The first is due to the current matchmaking system which is trying to stop putting people near the end of the game. So in essence this concern is more that example at system 4 might not work well with the match making system currently implemented. (otherwise nothing else on that aspect.) My second concern, Is the viewing of the number of people versus (forgive me if I misread); My concern comes from possible free LP gains via viewing that particular info about amount of players via each side. As we know, there will be many player that would love to tag on to an end of the battle where they can join a winning side of (eg. caladari 16 vs Gallante 4) and get loyalty points via that route [whether at the last minute or just by viewing information. (of course then some people complaining about uneven or possible proto stomp or even corp stomping). -my suggestion don't provide that number for each side on the main hud of battle. (the general count from x/32 ) should give enough information to say f they really want to join seeing that matchmaking system tries to balance the match out either way. -Otherwise, hopefully matchmaking system will take care of this concern for the most part. Lastly. my question for clarification to help me understand: I understand there is a thing where corps can fight for districts. my question will this effect factional in anyway? Reason for question is if districts is effecting factional in general we could have an issue where people avoid certain factional because specific corps will protect certain system and can possible over dominate (or even under dominate ) certain areas. In advance thank you for your clarification since I'm still relatively new. Overall Thoughts: I feel its a great idea and provides a great tie to eve and gives a more dynamic tactical aspect to the fighting in factionals. My best wishes to see if this pans out with ccp. Your first concern: Actually Matchmaking does NOT apply to factional warfare. You decide which faction want to fight for, and when, therefore, even right now, matchmaking cannot even up the teams. You set your filter to only "Caldari" for example, and you will join the next battle that Caldari can fight. Matchmaker cannot decide that your team is OP and put you on the Gallente side. Your second concern is a valid one. However I think emergent gameplay will naturally prevent it from being a real problem. For example, it's the middle of the night and player count is low. You see a few full matches and one pops up that is almost empty. You go for it hoping to get some easy LP, except you are not the only one doing this. The more people scavenging for easy LP, then the more the match will fill up naturally. Perhaps it would be wise as you suggest to only put the total amount of players, and not necessarily the amount for each team? Your third concern is a non issue as planetary conquest and the player controlled districts have no impact on factional warfare and vice versa. Thank you for reading and raising these concerns, I'd love to continue discussing your #2 if you have any ideas, or disagree with how I see it. Know what cannot be known.
Kaeru Nayiri Ready to Play 901	Posted - 2015.04.03 21:03:00 - [4] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: I'm not sure how this would work, as I don't really understand what you're getting at. Also, this doesn't fully solve the woes of FW, especially the fact that people don't want to play it because it's so unrewarding. EDIT: Would something along the lines of this be something you would be interested in? This is just my opinion, but the "reward" problem of FW is dwarfed by the problems of coordinating an effort to fight for a desired faction. Right now Eve players have to jump 10 to 15 systems over to follow their squad around. This is slightly ridiculous. Right now fighting for your own faction can sometimes be IMPOSSIBLE because there is NO opposition. No ennemy team means no match to fight. People pick Caldari and Amarr for large q-syncs NOT because they want LP from them, but because gallente and minmatar always have a large amount of people starving for a match, so it's a guaranteed deployment. There are 2 kinds of FW goers, those who want the standing with their faction, and those that just want a coordinated battle involving their whole team (instead of just a squad). The latter do not care who they fight for. This system will allow both to get battles more often, more readily, and have tangible feedback from the state of FW as a whole. I am not saying the rewards problem doesn't exist, but that's a separate issue that can be resolved outside of the battle creation design. Simple things like increasing LP payout by more when you have high standing, fixing the disparity of LP cost for some modules and adding more exclusive items to the LP store. None of these things have to do with the way a FW match is initialized, though. Edit: I will also read your proposition and try to provide a reply in your thread for it, to build on positively as well. Know what cannot be known.