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Politikal Prizzna
Valor Company Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2015.03.13 00:51:00 -
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 I am Shocked. With Vehicle Upg. Skills Maxed or nearly Maxed...I STILL became Swarm Food. Used the Scrap to cover the Leftovers... 1) Any Chance of Adding a Slot or Two to LAV's like before? 2) Any Chance of Being Able to Remove Turrets from The BPO Saga's, and 'Quafe' Methana; for cpu/pg sake? 3) Any Chance of a Slight Hp/Shld Buff ASAP, Pretty Pleeeeaze?
Take Care & Leave Yer Swarms at Home..... |
LUGMOS
Corrosive Synergy
RISE of LEGION
2728
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Posted - 2015.03.13 01:03:00 -
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Did you fit it?
If the answer is no, then the answer is no.
Official QuafeGäó Advocate
Anti-FoTM Prof. V
Forum Scavenger Prof. V
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CCP Rattati
C C P
C C P Alliance
18601
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Posted - 2015.03.13 01:06:00 -
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Politikal Prizzna wrote: I am Shocked. With Vehicle Upg. Skills Maxed or nearly Maxed...I STILL became Swarm Food. Used the Scrap to cover the Leftovers... 1) Any Chance of Adding a Slot or Two to LAV's like before? 2) Any Chance of Being Able to Remove Turrets from The BPO Saga's, and 'Quafe' Methana; for cpu/pg sake? 3) Any Chance of a Slight Hp/Shld Buff ASAP, Pretty Pleeeeaze? Take Care & Leave Yer Swarms at Home.....
The only buff would be more fitting.
"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"
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Nocturnal Soul
Primordial Threat
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Posted - 2015.03.13 01:10:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Politikal Prizzna wrote: I am Shocked. With Vehicle Upg. Skills Maxed or nearly Maxed...I STILL became Swarm Food. Used the Scrap to cover the Leftovers... 1) Any Chance of Adding a Slot or Two to LAV's like before? 2) Any Chance of Being Able to Remove Turrets from The BPO Saga's, and 'Quafe' Methana; for cpu/pg sake? 3) Any Chance of a Slight Hp/Shld Buff ASAP, Pretty Pleeeeaze? Take Care & Leave Yer Swarms at Home..... The only buff would be more fitting.
That's honestly severely disappointing, the old 3/2 vise versa slot configuration with a CPU/PG buff would of actually made LAV's light attack vehicles but with what you just said I honestly just can't see them being anything more than glorified A to B one time transports.
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LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
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Proto Annihilator
16 Vandals
684
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Posted - 2015.03.13 01:12:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Politikal Prizzna wrote: I am Shocked. With Vehicle Upg. Skills Maxed or nearly Maxed...I STILL became Swarm Food. Used the Scrap to cover the Leftovers... 1) Any Chance of Adding a Slot or Two to LAV's like before? 2) Any Chance of Being Able to Remove Turrets from The BPO Saga's, and 'Quafe' Methana; for cpu/pg sake? 3) Any Chance of a Slight Hp/Shld Buff ASAP, Pretty Pleeeeaze? Take Care & Leave Yer Swarms at Home..... The only buff would be more fitting.
Do it up
World of hurt
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Vulpes Dolosus
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
3144
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Posted - 2015.03.13 01:16:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Politikal Prizzna wrote: I am Shocked. With Vehicle Upg. Skills Maxed or nearly Maxed...I STILL became Swarm Food. Used the Scrap to cover the Leftovers... 1) Any Chance of Adding a Slot or Two to LAV's like before? 2) Any Chance of Being Able to Remove Turrets from The BPO Saga's, and 'Quafe' Methana; for cpu/pg sake? 3) Any Chance of a Slight Hp/Shld Buff ASAP, Pretty Pleeeeaze? Take Care & Leave Yer Swarms at Home..... The only buff would be more fitting.
RIP LAVs then
Dust is there! I was real!
Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~
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Green Living
Gallente Gay Swag Club
1434
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Posted - 2015.03.13 01:19:00 -
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Vulpes Dolosus wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Politikal Prizzna wrote: I am Shocked. With Vehicle Upg. Skills Maxed or nearly Maxed...I STILL became Swarm Food. Used the Scrap to cover the Leftovers... 1) Any Chance of Adding a Slot or Two to LAV's like before? 2) Any Chance of Being Able to Remove Turrets from The BPO Saga's, and 'Quafe' Methana; for cpu/pg sake? 3) Any Chance of a Slight Hp/Shld Buff ASAP, Pretty Pleeeeaze? Take Care & Leave Yer Swarms at Home..... The only buff would be more fitting. RIP LAVs then
Yeah its a shame for us bro's that didn't murder taxi and used LAV's for scanning for orbitals and gunning with friends. |
Nocturnal Soul
Primordial Threat
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Posted - 2015.03.13 01:32:00 -
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Green Living wrote:Vulpes Dolosus wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Politikal Prizzna wrote: I am Shocked. With Vehicle Upg. Skills Maxed or nearly Maxed...I STILL became Swarm Food. Used the Scrap to cover the Leftovers... 1) Any Chance of Adding a Slot or Two to LAV's like before? 2) Any Chance of Being Able to Remove Turrets from The BPO Saga's, and 'Quafe' Methana; for cpu/pg sake? 3) Any Chance of a Slight Hp/Shld Buff ASAP, Pretty Pleeeeaze? Take Care & Leave Yer Swarms at Home..... The only buff would be more fitting. RIP LAVs then Yeah its a shame for us bro's that didn't murder taxi and used LAV's for scanning for orbitals and gunning with friends.
Wait the last 2 are actually legit though.
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LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
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thehellisgoingon
MONSTER SYNERGY
358
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Posted - 2015.03.13 01:43:00 -
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1 militia heavy shield extender gets you to 12XX shield. But it's basically my 1 way free ride. |
bastille123
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Posted - 2015.03.13 02:22:00 -
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you know what funny ? the fact that CCP nerfed all LAVS including the non militia ones, i mean i was expecting an increase to cost to normal ones and the nerf would only apply to militia and /or BPOs but hey gotta nerf one of the hardest roles there is this in game 
RIP assult LAV
GIF in the forums: oh well it was good till it lasted
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Mobius Wyvern
Sky-FIRE
5824
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Posted - 2015.03.13 02:24:00 -
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Maybe the imminent slaughter of LAVs will FINALLY show Rattati that the current state of Swarm Launchers is ridiculous.
LAVs used to be the only vehicle that could survive against the Swarm-Spam, but now even they can't hope to live.
I support Keshava for Gallente Specialist HAV
R.I.P. Kesha
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DUST Fiend
15999
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Posted - 2015.03.13 02:25:00 -
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I guess since we had so many roles to fill with vehicles, it only makes sense to reduce the amount of viable options.
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Fly Safe
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Vulpes Dolosus
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
3146
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Posted - 2015.03.13 02:37:00 -
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Ok, so for you naysayers on how bad the LAVs are, look at these fits (post-echo ehp in parentheses):
http://www.protofits.com/fittings/view/179/11802 (1600/400)
http://www.protofits.com/fittings/view/179/12276 (300/2200)
Both these fits are at max skills using an ADV turret (the easiest turret to fit, btw). Both don't make it past their previous ehp totals and the Methana doesn't even make its primary tank. Both get 2 shotted by swarms easily, and I'm fairly sure the Saga could get alpha'd by most PLCs, forges, and rail tanks.
Yeah, tell me LAVs are viable.
Dust is there! I was real!
Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~
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Proto Annihilator
16 Vandals
686
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Posted - 2015.03.13 02:38:00 -
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Fit them. Mlt mods are cheap. Recall or have squad mate passengers. Or YOLO. It's still cheap as hell.
World of hurt
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Aoena Rays
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.03.13 03:33:00 -
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LAV is intended to be transport vehicle since forever. If you want to run a tank LAV then do some creative fitting with them and be useless for everything else. It is possible.
Story of your life
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Kuruld Sengar
Demonite's Legion
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Posted - 2015.03.13 03:39:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Politikal Prizzna wrote: I am Shocked. With Vehicle Upg. Skills Maxed or nearly Maxed...I STILL became Swarm Food. Used the Scrap to cover the Leftovers... 1) Any Chance of Adding a Slot or Two to LAV's like before? 2) Any Chance of Being Able to Remove Turrets from The BPO Saga's, and 'Quafe' Methana; for cpu/pg sake? 3) Any Chance of a Slight Hp/Shld Buff ASAP, Pretty Pleeeeaze? Take Care & Leave Yer Swarms at Home..... The only buff would be more fitting.
That sounds nice. At the moment the biggest shield extender I can fit on my saga is a single enhanced heavy when using a powergrid module. This leaves just enough room for a turret and a scanner, and the shields come out to 1600. This fitting has died to a single swarm volley several times today.
And the methana is difficult to even match the pre echo eHP. |
Nocturnal Soul
Primordial Threat
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Posted - 2015.03.13 03:41:00 -
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Aoena Rays wrote:LAV is intended to be transport vehicle since forever. If you want to run a tank LAV then do some creative fitting with them and be useless for everything else. It is possible.
That's the thing, since 1.7 every vehicle is so cookie cutter that the only thing you can do with them is tank'em. If the second faze of vehicle reintroduction was here maybe I'd be different but it isn't. Also having so few slots doesn't help either
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LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
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Booby Tuesdays
Ahrendee Inc.
Negative-Feedback
1390
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Posted - 2015.03.13 03:50:00 -
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Pre-Echo having a shield booster was mandatory to survive in a LAV.
Now I can't even fit one after getting my tank high enough to avoid being OHK'd by AV... 
Half-Assed Forum Warrior / Half-Decent Commando / Damn Good Logi / Matari Loyalty 7
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
1147
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Posted - 2015.03.13 03:57:00 -
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Vulpes Dolosus wrote:Ok, so for you naysayers on how bad the LAVs are, look at these fits (post-echo ehp in parentheses): http://www.protofits.com/fittings/view/179/11802 (1600/400) http://www.protofits.com/fittings/view/179/12276 (300/2200) Both these fits are at max skills using an ADV turret (the easiest turret to fit, btw). Both don't make it past their previous ehp totals and the Methana doesn't even make its primary tank. Both get 2 shotted by swarms easily, and I'm fairly sure the Saga could get alpha'd by most PLCs, forges, and rail tanks. Yeah, tell me LAVs are viable.
Holy crap... that Saga would just go Splat... barely 2,000 hp on it.. O.o; The Methana might take 2 rail shots at 3,000, but it could be 1 shot if the blast hits the hood...
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Dust to Dust
Remember the dream you had before the day you were born.
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Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
869
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Posted - 2015.03.13 04:14:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Politikal Prizzna wrote: I am Shocked. With Vehicle Upg. Skills Maxed or nearly Maxed...I STILL became Swarm Food. Used the Scrap to cover the Leftovers... 1) Any Chance of Adding a Slot or Two to LAV's like before? 2) Any Chance of Being Able to Remove Turrets from The BPO Saga's, and 'Quafe' Methana; for cpu/pg sake? 3) Any Chance of a Slight Hp/Shld Buff ASAP, Pretty Pleeeeaze? Take Care & Leave Yer Swarms at Home..... The only buff would be more fitting.
If thats the case give em more slots. What is the extra PG+CPU good for if you cant make any use of it?
Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!
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Vulpes Dolosus
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
3149
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Posted - 2015.03.13 04:27:00 -
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:Vulpes Dolosus wrote:Ok, so for you naysayers on how bad the LAVs are, look at these fits (post-echo ehp in parentheses): http://www.protofits.com/fittings/view/179/11802 (1600/400) http://www.protofits.com/fittings/view/179/12276 (300/2200) Both these fits are at max skills using an ADV turret (the easiest turret to fit, btw). Both don't make it past their previous ehp totals and the Methana doesn't even make its primary tank. Both get 2 shotted by swarms easily, and I'm fairly sure the Saga could get alpha'd by most PLCs, forges, and rail tanks. Yeah, tell me LAVs are viable. Holy crap... that Saga would just go Splat... barely 2,000 hp on it.. O.o; The Methana might take 2 rail shots at 3,000, but it could be 1 shot if the blast hits the hood... The meter says that both fits are over PG capacity.
ProtoFits hasn't updated the fittings (same as ehp). I checked them myself and they'll fit.
Dust is there! I was real!
Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~
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Stefan Stahl
Seituoda Taskforce Command
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Posted - 2015.03.13 08:37:00 -
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Same verdict here.
I have maxed fitting skills and can barely make a Saga survive a single maxed pro PLC shot. Can't make a Methana survive two Swarms.
Those are fitted LAVs that cost over 100k ISK, mind you. Don't assume I didn't try. They don't work.
As for being constructive:
Before Echo a fitted Methana could get to 4k hp. It is now below 3k hp. That's a 30% nerf. That means we need a very significant amount of CPU/PG to get fitted LAVs back to where they were. I'd very much suggest adding a third racial slot though. Two-slot tanks are very boring (Plate + repper or extender + booster, no other options).
The Saga - except for the Saga II - wasn't quite up there with the Methana before Echo. It got hit even worse. It needs help. A lot of it. |
Politikal Prizzna
Valor Company Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2015.03.13 13:31:00 -
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Great Input All.... Yes. It is Fitted. All the Shield Boosts, Armor Hardeners/Rep Stacking doesn't matter when the base health isn't even Sneeze Proof. Please reconsider leaving it As Is, Devs, and Fellow Mercs. So, to clarify BPO LAV Small Turrets are NOT going to be Removable? Thanks to Everyone.  |
Echo 1991
Titans of Phoenix
751
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Posted - 2015.03.13 13:37:00 -
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Why were they even touched? They barely had Hp then, now they get shot once by a plasma cannon and die. |
Big miku
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.03.13 14:23:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:Why were they even touched? They barely had Hp then, now they get shot once by a plasma cannon and die.
People cried about heavies in lavs killing them in pubs. |
Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
9863
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Posted - 2015.03.13 15:05:00 -
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Welp no more slots? I hope you plan on adding slots to tue Saga II and adding a Methana II as well then because right now there's not a damn reason to use an LAV as a frontline support or recon vehicle. Not at that price and RISK.
I'd rather depend on a blueberry to fly me around in a drop ship without dying.
As long as 4/5 (80%) of infantry AV weapons are Anti Armor based you're never going to achieve vehicle balance CCP
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Lupus Wolf
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.03.13 15:53:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:I'd rather depend on a blueberry to fly me around in a drop ship without dying.
Now THAT'S saying something.
Redundant Usernames FTW Neigh!
Incubi RULE! Pythons suck.
30% Logi, 30% Tanker, 40% Pilot
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