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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
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Posted - 2015.03.12 19:37:00 -
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Large Missiles in general need to be reimagined. This whole "have to gank in 1 salvo or I die" mechanic is just bad. Too binary.
"That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2015.03.12 19:53:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Large Missiles in general need to be reimagined. This whole "have to gank in 1 salvo or I die" mechanic is just bad. Too binary. Yeah but they are so bad to a point where you cannot kill even kill basic armor vehicles with proto missiles. Imagine if the ScR couldn't kill shields- that is how it feels.
Oh I called it before the hotfix even dropped. With a a binary system like that they're either going to be overpowered, or underpowered. Echo simply moved it from the former to the latter.
I think we can make it a high alpha weapon that's viable, but we need to get away from the current philosophy behind it.
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2015.03.12 20:01:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Large Missiles in general need to be reimagined. This whole "have to gank in 1 salvo or I die" mechanic is just bad. Too binary. Yeah but they are so bad to a point where you cannot kill even kill basic armor vehicles with proto missiles. Imagine if the ScR couldn't kill shields- that is how it feels. Oh I called it before the hotfix even dropped. With a a binary system like that they're either going to be overpowered, or underpowered. Echo simply moved it from the former to the latter. I think we can make it a high alpha weapon that's viable, but we need to get away from the current philosophy behind it. I think clip size should be increased to 24. If you're gonna half my DPS, double my clip damage.
That would simply double the damage in the magazine, which would make it overpowered again. We have to get away from this "Kill it in one magazine" mentality, it simply will not work.
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2015.03.13 04:29:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:
Low DPS is the problem- I'm not breaking tanks with the DPS provided added in with the fact that missiles have low clip and long reload. One clip from a proto missile launcher can deal 6000-7000 damage.
Well, to be fair, assuming my calcs are right.
Large Blaster - Damage to Overheat: 2,848 Damage
Large Blaster - Damage in Magazine: 13,350 Damage
Large Blaster - DPS till Overheat: 1,113 DPS
Large Railgun - Damage to Overheat: 5,089 Damage
Large Railgun - Damage in Magazine: 20,358 Damage
Large Railgun - DPS till Overheat: 1,060 DPS
Large Missile - Damage in Magazine: 6,474 Damage
Large Missile - DPS till Reload: 1,798 DPS
So as you can see the DPS of the Missile turret is actually clearly superior in that it can output more damage before it has to stop to reload (or in the case of the Rail/Blaster, cool down). However it's downtime makes it's sustained DPS very low. So as we've stated before, you typically have to kill the target in the first volley or you're dead.
Increasing the magazine size would make its total damage per magazine completely out of hand. You could reduce the reload speed but with such heavy burst damage, you run risk of it being unmanageable to balance it against other turrets.
Simply put I really need to test it more in-game before I come down to a final conclusion, however I think we basically need to make the burst DPS lower and the sustained DPS higher, it's simply too much of a difference with other turrets. This will likely come down to a mixture of less damage per missile and a faster reload, as well as potentially a slightly larger magazine.
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