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Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5376	Posted - 2015.03.12 18:53:00 - [61] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: I know that the mylolflys are fun and I'm sure many lulz will be had with them, but is anyone else just a bit put off by how silly they are? We are bouncing around like Goku on methamphetamine; that does not create a picture of a stern, militaristic, mercenary fighting force. Does anyone else get the impression that Dust 514 is becoming less and less set in New Eden with each patch? Not saying it is not fun, because it is! Just... not New Eden at all. Am I the only one? Jumppacks are silly? New Eden has to be super serious? We will gauge the stacking heights, and reevaluate, but I think tactics just changed and I don't think it's very silly, more like future scifi parkour elite warriors. Why run and climb if you can have combat drugs. I don't think jumping to great heights is unrealistic given that we are super soldiers in Iron Man suits. However, we will need to closely evaluate how the ability to do so 100% of the time affects the gameplay. If the effect is overly negative (ie Myrofibs being required to be competative), we may have to tone down their effect, and leave the big building-clearing jumps to a temporary ability, ie the jump module. I don't mind players doing incredible things, but we also don't want the game to feel cartoony, you know? Not passing judgement yet, we'll need to see how things play out, but I'm skeptical right now. "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast www.biomassed.net
Bremen van Equis BASTARDS OF BEDLAM 239	Posted - 2015.03.12 18:59:00 - [62] - Quote Two words: Flying Scotsman. Buckle up, boysGÇªthis ramp leads to space. -Axe Cop
voidfaction Nos Nothi 1273	Posted - 2015.03.12 19:23:00 - [63] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: I know that the mylolflys are fun and I'm sure many lulz will be had with them, but is anyone else just a bit put off by how silly they are? We are bouncing around like Goku on methamphetamine; that does not create a picture of a stern, militaristic, mercenary fighting force. Does anyone else get the impression that Dust 514 is becoming less and less set in New Eden with each patch? Not saying it is not fun, because it is! Just... not New Eden at all. Am I the only one? Jumppacks are silly? New Eden has to be super serious? We will gauge the stacking heights, and reevaluate, but I think tactics just changed and I don't think it's very silly, more like future scifi parkour elite warriors. Why run and climb if you can have combat drugs. To bad we could not have planets that have different gravity so some planets everyone is jumping high and some if you dont have myo then your stuck to the ground. same with movement speed. high gravity slows everyone down. I am not a fan of jumps but I like the change. only wish we had more control over the jumps so when I only want/need to jump a small step I dont rocket over the building, lol noi¦Ü+ö+Æßû+(V)Fac¦Üion
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 3205	Posted - 2015.03.12 19:25:00 - [64] - Quote Wait, I know I miss a lot of things these days but are these new modules in / working now?? If so I must try! Vitantur Nothus wrote: Why hide a solution under frothy pile of derpa? SCV Ready!
voidfaction Nos Nothi 1274	Posted - 2015.03.12 19:31:00 - [65] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Wait, I know I miss a lot of things these days but are these new modules in / working now?? If so I must try! Yes, super jump Myofibril are here. You will need to retrain your strafe aiming to hit wiggle wiggle super jump wiggle wiggle, lol noi¦Ü+ö+Æßû+(V)Fac¦Üion
Diablo Gamekeeper KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 128	Posted - 2015.03.12 19:34:00 - [66] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: I know that the mylolflys are fun and I'm sure many lulz will be had with them, but is anyone else just a bit put off by how silly they are? We are bouncing around like Goku on methamphetamine; that does not create a picture of a stern, militaristic, mercenary fighting force. Does anyone else get the impression that Dust 514 is becoming less and less set in New Eden with each patch? Not saying it is not fun, because it is! Just... not New Eden at all. Am I the only one? Jumppacks are silly? New Eden has to be super serious? We will gauge the stacking heights, and reevaluate, but I think tactics just changed and I don't think it's very silly, more like future scifi parkour elite warriors. Why run and climb if you can have combat drugs. Please remove jumping bonuses. You ruined the only game i still play and enjoyed. "I think he just Assert Dominance all over my face."-Saxonmish
Hansei Kaizen The Jackson Five 351	Posted - 2015.03.12 19:34:00 - [67] - Quote I love the things. Overuse is going to settle again, once people recognize that shields are a hefty sacrifice for triple stacking Myos. I think its absolutely vital, IF the Myos get nerfed for "seriousness" sake, they stay powerful enough to catapult a light suit high enough to at least land on a container sized elevation (you know these things that are scattered around). You can get much more mileage out of the quickly old maps with this device. The answer to your complaint is PvE. Always. NPE status: (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Casual solo
Kuruld Sengar Demonite's Legion 256	Posted - 2015.03.12 19:39:00 - [68] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Jumppacks are silly? New Eden has to be super serious? We will gauge the stacking heights, and reevaluate, but I think tactics just changed and I don't think it's very silly, more like future scifi parkour elite warriors. Why run and climb if you can have combat drugs. These aren't jumppacks though. I think I could swallow a new piece of equipment that gave us jump height, but the idea of a stim doing it just seems wrong. Maybe it's all in my head. And yes, New Eden must be super serious, by the way. The players are the ones who should take the seriousness and turn it on it's head, not the game itself. The game was becoming increasingly serious. This is a huge breakthrough as far as I am concerned.
kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. 475	Posted - 2015.03.12 19:39:00 - [69] - Quote Rip, after multiple games today, I will say that jumping has changed the essence of the game. I won't label it as "bad" just yet because I think it's too early. But since Ambush is now a valid game mode, I had match after match with flying Mercs jumping, and jumping, and shooting mass drivers and plasma canons and flaylocks down on my head. One minja went from standing still to at least 30 ft. In the air in the blink of an eye. I actually was so stunned I didn't even think to pull the trigger button. we'll see how this all plays out in the coming weeks.
Kain Spero Negative-Feedback. 4700	Posted - 2015.03.12 19:41:00 - [70] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Jumppacks are silly? New Eden has to be super serious? We will gauge the stacking heights, and reevaluate, but I think tactics just changed and I don't think it's very silly, more like future scifi parkour elite warriors. Why run and climb if you can have combat drugs. Could agree more. Leave our combat drugs along. Dust needed a fix. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news

CL0AK W0LF R1D3R G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 6	Posted - 2015.03.12 19:44:00 - [71] - Quote It has been a long time comming, the game was becomming bot enjoyable anymore and the free crap games that psn has to offer each month. Now there are kangaroos everywhere it has become more enjoyable seeing people fly like e.t.
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 1711	Posted - 2015.03.12 19:47:00 - [72] - Quote Hey everyone remember that bomber we were promised long ago? Its hear now. Min medium 3x comp myos 2x damage mods 2x comp kincats. Freedom MD. Let Freedom Ring! Recently re-discovered the Assault Mass Driver, LOL@your 'cover'
Piercing Serenity PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 862	Posted - 2015.03.12 19:48:00 - [73] - Quote After watching the link provided in a previous post, it did not seem overly excessive to me. It does seem like a new, less number intensive way to balance shields vs. armor however. If the movement penalty of armor plates extends to jump height (Not so much that we are back to square one, however), then shield suits can more fully embody the idea of higher mobility in a way that does not devalue armor plates by increasing the HP bonus of shield mods. Additionally, I think that calculation for fall damage should be changed - as it unfairly punishes shield suits by taking out a larger percentage of total health on a less massive suit. I got enemies, got a lot of enemies , got a lot of people tryna drain me of this energy
Raedon Vo-Graza Armored Dragon Dust 66	Posted - 2015.03.12 20:08:00 - [74] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: I know that the mylolflys are fun and I'm sure many lulz will be had with them, but is anyone else just a bit put off by how silly they are? We are bouncing around like Goku on methamphetamine; that does not create a picture of a stern, militaristic, mercenary fighting force. Does anyone else get the impression that Dust 514 is becoming less and less set in New Eden with each patch? Not saying it is not fun, because it is! Just... not New Eden at all. Am I the only one? Jumppacks are silly? New Eden has to be super serious? We will gauge the stacking heights, and reevaluate, but I think tactics just changed and I don't think it's very silly, more like future scifi parkour elite warriors. Why run and climb if you can have combat drugs. I would rather have ridiculous jumping ability to increase vertical game play. The more outlandish options we have, in my mind, the more options for going after an objective. Also this opens different options for map making. Imagine a map with multiple ways in to a single point based on your build and abilities. The more nimble players can take the high road, while the less athletic players take a more direct approach. The more jumpy players will inevitably have less tank, and the less jumpy have the option for more tank. The more options given, the more diverse the player base can become. Make the break from EVE Rattati, and let dust develop it's own way. The two games are fundamentally different, as long as the lore it's self is able to relate between the games, the skies the limit when it comes to the mechanics. I hope some day we'll be able to use war points for more then just orbitals at some point. But for now i will have fun playing the lost levels of dust!
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2544	Posted - 2015.03.12 20:14:00 - [75] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: I know that the mylolflys are fun and I'm sure many lulz will be had with them, but is anyone else just a bit put off by how silly they are? We are bouncing around like Goku on methamphetamine; that does not create a picture of a stern, militaristic, mercenary fighting force. Does anyone else get the impression that Dust 514 is becoming less and less set in New Eden with each patch? Not saying it is not fun, because it is! Just... not New Eden at all. Am I the only one? You are not alone. Personally i don't really have any problem with them(yet), although coupled with explosive spam it's making the game pretty cheap. Do like that it changes the map and we have to relearn what are effective ingress/egress routes. Also worth considering what's happening here in light of variable gravity: many of us want to fight on the planets in their real g, that listed in the eve database. Our myofib experiment is highly worthwhile as research towards variable g environments - one of the primary concerns raised in previous discussions was 'will variable g break the maps?' Now we can find out. For that reason imo it's worth running this bunnyfromhell-hopping experiment for at least a month or two to give the players time to figure out what's possible and adapt. We'll have to put aside our pride because as the OP correctly states it does make this game and it's players(as if we had any pride left) look lame as hell. As far as not being set in New Eden i lost the feeling months ago - i'm only here to help with the RMT beta testing in the hopes of contributing to something better in the future. PSN: RationalSpark
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2545	Posted - 2015.03.12 20:29:00 - [76] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: I know that the mylolflys are fun and I'm sure many lulz will be had with them, but is anyone else just a bit put off by how silly they are? We are bouncing around like Goku on methamphetamine; that does not create a picture of a stern, militaristic, mercenary fighting force. Does anyone else get the impression that Dust 514 is becoming less and less set in New Eden with each patch? Not saying it is not fun, because it is! Just... not New Eden at all. Am I the only one? Jumppacks are silly? New Eden has to be super serious? We will gauge the stacking heights, and reevaluate, but I think tactics just changed and I don't think it's very silly, more like future scifi parkour elite warriors. Why run and climb if you can have combat drugs. If the game supported Titanfall or Mirror's Edge(Hi Rouge o/, i still have all my hopes pinned on you for real quality controls/mechanics/fidelity, just a friendly reminder) controls, i'd be right there with you, buddy. But we don't. So while i agree that the myofib experiment is worth running(for several reasons) and i'm glad we're doing it, i think that any fps player looking at what we have in DUST right now would pretty much react with raised eyebrows and a chuckle. New Eden does have a certain set of aesthetics which i would characterize as hard scifi set in a gritty dystopian future. I'm racking my brain for what the analog of our bunny-hopping might be in EVE and i'm coming up with......nothing. There is no eve analog to the bunny-hopping masshole. Please correct me if i'm wrong. PSN: RationalSpark
gustavo acosta Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 1033	Posted - 2015.03.12 20:44:00 - [77] - Quote Who said the mercenaries of new eden are human? GimmeDatSuhWeet isk We found a new pope to teach shield users how to shield tank, all hail pope redblood the 6th
P14GU3 UNIVERSAL C.A.R.N.A.G.E 1332	Posted - 2015.03.12 20:49:00 - [78] - Quote Piercing Serenity wrote: After watching the link provided in a previous post, it did not seem overly excessive to me. It does seem like a new, less number intensive way to balance shields vs. armor however. If the movement penalty of armor plates extends to jump height (Not so much that we are back to square one, however), then shield suits can more fully embody the idea of higher mobility in a way that does not devalue armor plates by increasing the HP bonus of shield mods. Additionally, I think that calculation for fall damage should be changed - as it unfairly punishes shield suits by taking out a larger percentage of total health on a less massive suit. That video does not do it justice. He was either using only 1 or 2 myos or they weren't complex. I would be ok with it if that was the extent, but to see cal scouts jump literally 30m straight up, it's for lack of a better word, silly. 'Sault AK.0 - Logi AK.0 - Logi GK.0 - Scout GK.0 - 'Mando MK.0 - Masshole in every sense of the word.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3505	Posted - 2015.03.12 20:54:00 - [79] - Quote With a few more rounds under my belt... ...the trolls are going to love this update. Fast moving suits with mass drivers and plasma cannons and flaylocks -- quick deaths from above. Only way I've figured out to counter (without joining them) is to stay back and pick them off at range. Not a lot of fun for me. The game has changed greatly. Maps play completely differently with virtually no vertical barrier providing any real cover. Overwatch positions are now loloverwatch/ Not sure I like it -- frankly it felt very much like cloaked scouts instaganking with shotguns -- but will give it some more time for things to settle down before deciding.
PLAYSTTION Corrosive Synergy RISE of LEGION 676	Posted - 2015.03.12 21:29:00 - [80] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: I know that the mylolflys are fun and I'm sure many lulz will be had with them, but is anyone else just a bit put off by how silly they are? We are bouncing around like Goku on methamphetamine; that does not create a picture of a stern, militaristic, mercenary fighting force. Does anyone else get the impression that Dust 514 is becoming less and less set in New Eden with each patch? Not saying it is not fun, because it is! Just... not New Eden at all. Am I the only one? Yea, I stacked 5 advanced and jumped with my Logi ck.0 and it was fun. But after that I kinda wanted the old dust back. Can't wait to hear people cry about jumpers in PC, they're gonna be a huge problem. Gassault Calogi and more. Respec Pending. `- Open Beta Vet - 38 mil sp - - Director of Corrosive Synergy -`

microwave UDIE Incorruptibles 85	Posted - 2015.03.12 21:36:00 - [81] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: I know that the mylolflys are fun and I'm sure many lulz will be had with them, but is anyone else just a bit put off by how silly they are? We are bouncing around like Goku on methamphetamine; that does not create a picture of a stern, militaristic, mercenary fighting force. Does anyone else get the impression that Dust 514 is becoming less and less set in New Eden with each patch? Not saying it is not fun, because it is! Just... not New Eden at all. Am I the only one? Shooting milk tittties from above, think about it. It will die out like everything else, enjoy it for now and for love of God get me some damn video! Signature that says stuff.
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 259	Posted - 2015.03.12 21:41:00 - [82] - Quote 4 myo on the cal heavy. First time I got shotgunned in the back as a heavy and lived. +9001 Good show ratty-man! "Lets group up and push an objective" ~ No blueberry ever 07-28-12 ~Deal with it~
Heimdallr69 Negative-Feedback. 4889	Posted - 2015.03.12 22:05:00 - [83] - Quote Don't change the stacking penalty, all that'll do is hurt the cal assault making it useless again.. Atleast now I can have a lot of fun in it.. Yes I'm easy to kill but who cares? It's soo much fun..I love you CCP =ƒÿè The merc who jumped over the MCC Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
byte modal 117	Posted - 2015.03.12 22:12:00 - [84] - Quote Dreis Shadowweaver wrote: This is what it looks like, by the way. ha. woah. Still at work here :( Alright, so was that impact/fall damage or were you being shot at coincidentally? Do you control the height and distance of the arc by holding then releasing when you want to begin your descent? I mean, assuming you haven't reached your height limit. Same stamina requirement as a regular jump? I can see the new paranoia creeping in by always watching my back (up and down) no matter where I'm perched, now more than ever. Looks terribly fun, but I can see why some of the concerns. TBO, I've dreamed of a short burst jetpack type doo-hicky since CB. This is way beyond that, lol. Reluctantly... I can admit that. Still, I can't wait to play with it when I get home. <<< wow, I sound like a 7-year old who just discovered that "special" place. o.O ... JUMPYSTIMTHINGY IS MY NEW SPECIAL PLACE! - me. kitten bacon taco (nom)
Operative 1174 Uuali Y.A.M.A.H 479	Posted - 2015.03.12 22:14:00 - [85] - Quote Yes, silly. Another element taking us away from the original ground warfare concept toward a stupid, fast twitch, epeen, leaderboard arena rumble game. Sad. Although, I like the tank changes so far. Death is a serious business. So is running a shoddy, half-baked game company.
Vell0cet OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2776	Posted - 2015.03.12 22:38:00 - [86] - Quote The concept of adding verticality to infantry combat is good. This implementation is terrible though. I'd like to see jet packs added one day. These would be equipment and have similar stats to the cloak with a suit that has a bonus to fitting it. They could be locked by swarms and create a huge increase in your profile when activated. That would be a reasonable way to offset the power of verticality. I really hate how floaty combat in games like Destiny are. This is the wrong direction for DUST. I would tone this WAY down, and increase the default jump height by 10% or something (maybe 20% on heavy frames). One of the best aspects of DUST is the suits feel like they have a heft and weight to them (you feel the impact when you activate the inertial dampeners). We desperately need a mass stat and have things like jump height, run speed, and inertia on strafing programmatically derived from that. Best PvE idea ever!
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 8431	Posted - 2015.03.12 22:41:00 - [87] - Quote Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: Yes, silly. Another element taking us away from the original ground warfare concept toward a stupid, fast twitch, epeen, leaderboard arena rumble game. Sad. New Eden's harsh combat philosophy doesn't make CCP the kind of money they would like so they are making concessions. That's the best reason I can come up with for the implementation of jumping myofibs. 4 out of 5 dentists agree that orange is not a sound.
General Mosquito Kinsho Swords Caldari State 31	Posted - 2015.03.12 22:45:00 - [88] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Jumppacks are silly? New Eden has to be super serious? We will gauge the stacking heights, and reevaluate, but I think tactics just changed and I don't think it's very silly, more like future scifi parkour elite warriors. Why run and climb if you can have combat drugs. And this is why, in spite of all reasonable expectations to the contrary, this game has actually gotten worse since it was killed at the last fanfest. How you people are proud of making this game I'll never understand, but then again, its not my name on it. We get it, you like other games that are actually well made, and are critically praised. That doesn't mean you should go shifting whole elements into your game because you lack originality. I'm guessing the lack of Dust at fanfest shows what part of the CCP family the makers of Dust are. General Butt Naked - Biomassed The Attorney General - Biomassed when unbanned Only 9 more alts to go.
Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 644	Posted - 2015.03.12 22:49:00 - [89] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: I know that the mylolflys are fun and I'm sure many lulz will be had with them, but is anyone else just a bit put off by how silly they are? We are bouncing around like Goku on methamphetamine; that does not create a picture of a stern, militaristic, mercenary fighting force. Does anyone else get the impression that Dust 514 is becoming less and less set in New Eden with each patch? Not saying it is not fun, because it is! Just... not New Eden at all. Am I the only one? "Silly"? Seriously? We are talking about immortal mercenaries who spend their lives in an endless war, despite individually having enough funds to buy entire countries. Each of them could spend centuries of coke and hookers instead of getting murdered on the battlefield. This can only mean one thing: They ***** enjoy war. Why wouldn't** someone take the myofibs and cross them with amphetamines to get that super-jump kick that makes you feel like you are flying? That's not silly. That's totally sensible. It both has strategic and recreational value. If you want to talk about silly, we can talk about the short engagement ranges in the game and the fact that you can sprint for about twenty seconds at incredibly low speeds before you run out of stamina. But then you wouldn't have a game. Really, the superjump module sounds more like an inevitable result of the basic premise of the game, not like a random addition. And it's not like everyone can run superjump all the time. It just means that there's more viable options for the highs than shield, damage mod and EWAR now.
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 1719	Posted - 2015.03.12 22:52:00 - [90] - Quote General Mosquito wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Jumppacks are silly? New Eden has to be super serious? We will gauge the stacking heights, and reevaluate, but I think tactics just changed and I don't think it's very silly, more like future scifi parkour elite warriors. Why run and climb if you can have combat drugs. And this is why, in spite of all reasonable expectations to the contrary, this game has actually gotten worse since it was killed at the last fanfest. How you people are proud of making this game I'll never understand, but then again, its not my name on it. We get it, you like other games that are actually well made, and are critically praised. That doesn't mean you should go shifting whole elements into your game because you lack originality. I'm guessing the lack of Dust at fanfest shows what part of the CCP family the makers of Dust are. i love patch/hotfix day all the butthurt nostalgia dwellers get even more butthurt and nostalgic. BRING BACK 1.0-1.4 SHIELD RECHARGE BUG! BRING BACK 1.4-1.8 AR SUPREME DOMINANCE! BRING BACK1.7-1.8hotfix whatever TANK DOMINANCE! BRING BACK 1.8-1.8hf-charlie RAIL RIFLE SUPREME DOMINANCE! BRING BACK HIGH DAMAGE ONLY SUIT FITTINGS! BRING BACK EVERY SCRUBBY THING THAT HAS BEEN BALANCED SINCE FAILFEST! gtfo AG, you used to not be a shitlord. Cant hear you, carpet-bombing heavies with my minja.



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