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G Felix
Terminus Defense Force
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Posted - 2015.03.10 19:06:00 -
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Since it was released I liked the idea of the MagSec. The increased range and high accuracy immediately appealed to me. But I've never quite managed to find a groove with the weapon. I was curious how the community finds success with it, what fits and primary weapons compliment it's strengths and offset it's weaknesses best?
Dust can be frustrating. (Gò»°Gûí°)Gò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+)
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Dreis Shadowweaver
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2015.03.10 19:11:00 -
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G Felix wrote:I was curious how the community finds success with it, what fits and primary weapons compliment it's strengths and offset it's weaknesses best?
There are none.
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G Felix
Terminus Defense Force
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Posted - 2015.03.10 19:32:00 -
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Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:G Felix wrote:I was curious how the community finds success with it, what fits and primary weapons compliment it's strengths and offset it's weaknesses best? There are none.
Well, if this is the case I can at least take comfort in the fact that the problem doesn't lie in my inability to fit the weapon properly.
Dust can be frustrating. (Gò»°Gûí°)Gò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+)
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Soldier Sorajord
Subsonic Synthesis
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2015.03.10 19:36:00 -
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Run an anti Shield primary IE ScR/AR and use that, then switch to the SMG.
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Thor Odinson42
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.03.10 19:36:00 -
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I forgot about the magsec, it's funny because everyone predicted it to be OP when looking at the stats. |
Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
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Posted - 2015.03.10 19:40:00 -
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The sights on that thing suck major ass, as does the kick at times.
Caldari bonus should be:
-5% Hybrid Rail Weapon spool and kick per level or something. |
Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.03.10 19:57:00 -
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Soldier Sorajord wrote:Run an anti Shield primary IE ScR/AR and use that, then switch to the SMG.
When I started using Amarr assault, it worked quite well with the MLT ScR.
Except you'll get better results with a Breach SMG for that playstyle. They are better in every way that matters.
Magsecs need a straight damage buff, or their spool up time needs to go. Its that simple.
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MrShooter01
Ustio Mercenary Squadron
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Posted - 2015.03.10 20:00:00 -
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The magsec frustrates me too
Its better now than it was when it was first introduced with comical, uncontrollable kick, but it still just feels lacking to me
The SMG or ion pistol feel like better choices for cqc, the bolt pistol is a better choice for a long-range sidearm to compliment a HMG or shotgun. Hell, the absurd aimbot level aim assist the bolt pistol seems to have makes it a better choice than the magsec in cqc
I think the thing I hate the most is the charge time combined with the kick. If you hold down the trigger for more than a couple seconds, you're going to make a Looney Tunes outline of bullets in the wall around your target, but if you let go of the trigger for a controlled burst you have to go through the charge AGAIN. Dozens of times I've died to this when I would have killed him with an SMG |
G Felix
Terminus Defense Force
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Posted - 2015.03.10 20:08:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:The sights on that thing suck major ass, as does the kick at times.
Caldari bonus should be:
-5% Hybrid Rail Weapon spool and kick per level or something.
Agreed, the sights really don't do anything for me. The kick I can understand, it seems to be present on all rail weapons.
Dust can be frustrating. (Gò»°Gûí°)Gò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+)
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Killer's Coys
Prima Gallicus
255
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Posted - 2015.03.10 20:38:00 -
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What is Magsec SMG ?
Ho !
That's the useless weapon which you can't use at short, middle and long range ?
Ho I thought CCP has deleted this weapon, I haven't seen it since.....
Have I ever seen it in any battle ? I even don't know
I'm sorry for my bad English writting and comprehension.
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.03.10 20:46:00 -
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Reduced spool up time is where I'd start.
It works best with a shield-biased primary like the AR or ScR, IMO. |
Meee One
Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki
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Posted - 2015.03.10 21:53:00 -
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I'd give it piercing.
Full damage to shields (Full damage as in resistances applied),something like 5-10% to armor per bullet.
When the shields are gone,regular damage.
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Shamarskii Simon
The Hundred Acre Hood
RISE of LEGION
167
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Posted - 2015.03.10 22:31:00 -
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I might be the only guy w/ a prof 3 magsec :(
I like it because it's like a slightly faster, short range ARR when prof'd.
Kal magsec prof 5 = SL-4 on armor. Militia ARR on shields though...
Good for balancing fits. Shield light weapon, armor sidearm. I use magsec over smg because of the +5% on shields it has over the SMG.
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Mortishai Belmont
G.L.O.R.Y
General Tso's Alliance
601
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Posted - 2015.03.10 22:45:00 -
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I like it, it just feels like it lacks the punch and performance I get from my breach SMG
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LUGMOS
Corrosive Synergy
RISE of LEGION
2637
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Posted - 2015.03.10 22:48:00 -
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I like it...
Granted I use it on a combat sniper fit, to finish off people coming too close that I landed some shots on. Or when they start off too close. I try not to use it, but it is ok, but it is missing something.
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Snow Blooded
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.03.10 22:50:00 -
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Shamarskii Simon wrote:I might be the only guy w/ a prof 3 magsec :(
I like it because it's like a slightly faster, short range ARR when prof'd.
Kal magsec prof 5 = SL-4 on armor. Militia ARR on shields though...
Good for balancing fits. Shield light weapon, armor sidearm. I use magsec over smg because of the +5% on shields it has over the SMG.
You're not the only one.
But for me, even with Prof. 3, a KK Magsec is worse than a MLT ARR, especially against shields. |
Shamarskii Simon
The Hundred Acre Hood
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2015.03.10 23:12:00 -
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Snow Blooded wrote:Shamarskii Simon wrote:I might be the only guy w/ a prof 3 magsec :(
I like it because it's like a slightly faster, short range ARR when prof'd.
Kal magsec prof 5 = SL-4 on armor. Militia ARR on shields though...
Good for balancing fits. Shield light weapon, armor sidearm. I use magsec over smg because of the +5% on shields it has over the SMG. You're not the only one. But for me, even with Prof. 3, a KK Magsec is worse than a MLT ARR, especially against shields.
definitely :( it's that bad... But as a sidearm? I give it a little props.
Could be better though... We all agree on that... At least a bit under RR damage at prof 5 w/ kal
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xavier zor
0uter.Heaven
Back and Forth
776
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Posted - 2015.03.10 23:27:00 -
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Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:G Felix wrote:I was curious how the community finds success with it, what fits and primary weapons compliment it's strengths and offset it's weaknesses best? There are none.
since the magsec has a high range, some might say it is a good sidearm for a heavy....nope
CQC AND range ability is outclassed by the bolt pistol
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Chit Hoppened
The Exemplars
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2015.03.11 00:28:00 -
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I've always liked the Magsec on any Medium-Long Range Fit, especially paired with the Scrambler Rifle.
The Magsec has a spectacular Hipfire but that damned Kick in ADS is ******* crap.
Maybe cut the Spool up time some, give it a like 25-50 RPM, and/or cut some of the ADS Kick and the Magsec would be half decent...ish.
It's so close to being a proper Sidearm it hurts.
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Yeeeuuuupppp
RISE of LEGION
894
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Posted - 2015.03.11 01:14:00 -
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The recoil is a bit obnoxious
Sheeba Sheeba
PSN: GMANCASH
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sabre prime
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
974
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Posted - 2015.03.11 01:22:00 -
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In theory (correct me if I'm wrong) the magsec should be the original 'breach' sidearm (and therefore the best). And the minmatar breach smg is the variant of it?
Anyway, the magsec needs much shorter spool up, and reduced kick even more. AND GIVE US THE SUPPRESSED VERSION OF THE MAGSEC WITH THE SCOPE.
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Maitue Mae
Shadows of Vortex
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Posted - 2015.03.11 02:21:00 -
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I have level V skills in the Caldari assault suit and both the rail rifle and Magsec. For me, the magsec operates a little like a Gallente Assault Rifle from when I used it before the rifle parity. It's great to use for me, since I am used to the RR, and transitioning to it for closer quarters like capturing a point or indoors is great. Now, I am used to the recoil of these weapons, especially since they are at max level, so I don't know what they are like with no SP investment.
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