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G Felix Terminus Defense Force 679	Posted - 2015.03.10 19:06:00 - [1] - Quote Since it was released I liked the idea of the MagSec. The increased range and high accuracy immediately appealed to me. But I've never quite managed to find a groove with the weapon. I was curious how the community finds success with it, what fits and primary weapons compliment it's strengths and offset it's weaknesses best? Dust can be frustrating. (Gò»°Gûí°)Gò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+)
Dreis Shadowweaver T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K RISE of LEGION 2121	Posted - 2015.03.10 19:11:00 - [2] - Quote G Felix wrote: I was curious how the community finds success with it, what fits and primary weapons compliment it's strengths and offset it's weaknesses best? There are none. Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3 Dreis(Ishukone Nova Knives)CCPArchduke
G Felix Terminus Defense Force 680	Posted - 2015.03.10 19:32:00 - [3] - Quote Dreis Shadowweaver wrote: G Felix wrote: I was curious how the community finds success with it, what fits and primary weapons compliment it's strengths and offset it's weaknesses best? There are none. Well, if this is the case I can at least take comfort in the fact that the problem doesn't lie in my inability to fit the weapon properly. Dust can be frustrating. (Gò»°Gûí°)Gò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+)
Soldier Sorajord Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 186	Posted - 2015.03.10 19:36:00 - [4] - Quote Run an anti Shield primary IE ScR/AR and use that, then switch to the SMG. I'm one of the blueberries that Isn't useless, cause I always have a rep tool, and USE IT. B)
Thor Odinson42 Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 6201	Posted - 2015.03.10 19:36:00 - [5] - Quote I forgot about the magsec, it's funny because everyone predicted it to be OP when looking at the stats.
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 6619	Posted - 2015.03.10 19:40:00 - [6] - Quote The sights on that thing suck major ass, as does the kick at times. Caldari bonus should be: -5% Hybrid Rail Weapon spool and kick per level or something.
Fizzer XCIV Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 2549	Posted - 2015.03.10 19:57:00 - [7] - Quote Soldier Sorajord wrote: Run an anti Shield primary IE ScR/AR and use that, then switch to the SMG. When I started using Amarr assault, it worked quite well with the MLT ScR. Except you'll get better results with a Breach SMG for that playstyle. They are better in every way that matters. Magsecs need a straight damage buff, or their spool up time needs to go. Its that simple. Home at Last <3
MrShooter01 Ustio Mercenary Squadron 1458	Posted - 2015.03.10 20:00:00 - [8] - Quote The magsec frustrates me too Its better now than it was when it was first introduced with comical, uncontrollable kick, but it still just feels lacking to me The SMG or ion pistol feel like better choices for cqc, the bolt pistol is a better choice for a long-range sidearm to compliment a HMG or shotgun. Hell, the absurd aimbot level aim assist the bolt pistol seems to have makes it a better choice than the magsec in cqc I think the thing I hate the most is the charge time combined with the kick. If you hold down the trigger for more than a couple seconds, you're going to make a Looney Tunes outline of bullets in the wall around your target, but if you let go of the trigger for a controlled burst you have to go through the charge AGAIN. Dozens of times I've died to this when I would have killed him with an SMG
G Felix Terminus Defense Force 681	Posted - 2015.03.10 20:08:00 - [9] - Quote Joel II X wrote: The sights on that thing suck major ass, as does the kick at times. Caldari bonus should be: -5% Hybrid Rail Weapon spool and kick per level or something. Agreed, the sights really don't do anything for me. The kick I can understand, it seems to be present on all rail weapons. Dust can be frustrating. (Gò»°Gûí°)Gò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+)
Killer's Coys Prima Gallicus 255	Posted - 2015.03.10 20:38:00 - [10] - Quote What is Magsec SMG ? Ho ! That's the useless weapon which you can't use at short, middle and long range ? Ho I thought CCP has deleted this weapon, I haven't seen it since..... Have I ever seen it in any battle ? I even don't know I'm sorry for my bad English writting and comprehension.

Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3470	Posted - 2015.03.10 20:46:00 - [11] - Quote Reduced spool up time is where I'd start. It works best with a shield-biased primary like the AR or ScR, IMO.
Meee One Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki 1565	Posted - 2015.03.10 21:53:00 - [12] - Quote I'd give it piercing. Full damage to shields (Full damage as in resistances applied),something like 5-10% to armor per bullet. When the shields are gone,regular damage. Official Blueberry of the Forums. Title given by my #1 fan Sgt Kirk.
Shamarskii Simon The Hundred Acre Hood RISE of LEGION 167	Posted - 2015.03.10 22:31:00 - [13] - Quote I might be the only guy w/ a prof 3 magsec :( I like it because it's like a slightly faster, short range ARR when prof'd. Kal magsec prof 5 = SL-4 on armor. Militia ARR on shields though... Good for balancing fits. Shield light weapon, armor sidearm. I use magsec over smg because of the +5% on shields it has over the SMG. Entering the void and becoming wind. Message for 1v1 air to air
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 601	Posted - 2015.03.10 22:45:00 - [14] - Quote I like it, it just feels like it lacks the punch and performance I get from my breach SMG The new C.EO. of G.L.O.R.Y, I'm that Heavy you warn your team about <3 -Heavy/Commando/Logi/Assault/Scout-
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy RISE of LEGION 2637	Posted - 2015.03.10 22:48:00 - [15] - Quote I like it... Granted I use it on a combat sniper fit, to finish off people coming too close that I landed some shots on. Or when they start off too close. I try not to use it, but it is ok, but it is missing something. Official QuafeGäó Advocate Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V
Snow Blooded Nos Nothi 17	Posted - 2015.03.10 22:50:00 - [16] - Quote Shamarskii Simon wrote: I might be the only guy w/ a prof 3 magsec :( I like it because it's like a slightly faster, short range ARR when prof'd. Kal magsec prof 5 = SL-4 on armor. Militia ARR on shields though... Good for balancing fits. Shield light weapon, armor sidearm. I use magsec over smg because of the +5% on shields it has over the SMG. You're not the only one. But for me, even with Prof. 3, a KK Magsec is worse than a MLT ARR, especially against shields.
Shamarskii Simon The Hundred Acre Hood RISE of LEGION 167	Posted - 2015.03.10 23:12:00 - [17] - Quote Snow Blooded wrote: Shamarskii Simon wrote: I might be the only guy w/ a prof 3 magsec :( I like it because it's like a slightly faster, short range ARR when prof'd. Kal magsec prof 5 = SL-4 on armor. Militia ARR on shields though... Good for balancing fits. Shield light weapon, armor sidearm. I use magsec over smg because of the +5% on shields it has over the SMG. You're not the only one. But for me, even with Prof. 3, a KK Magsec is worse than a MLT ARR, especially against shields. definitely :( it's that bad... But as a sidearm? I give it a little props. Could be better though... We all agree on that... At least a bit under RR damage at prof 5 w/ kal Entering the void and becoming wind. Message for 1v1 air to air
xavier zor 0uter.Heaven Back and Forth 776	Posted - 2015.03.10 23:27:00 - [18] - Quote Dreis Shadowweaver wrote: G Felix wrote: I was curious how the community finds success with it, what fits and primary weapons compliment it's strengths and offset it's weaknesses best? There are none. since the magsec has a high range, some might say it is a good sidearm for a heavy....nope CQC AND range ability is outclassed by the bolt pistol retired stabbed musturd, duna, radar, tibs replying -í° -£-û -í°
Chit Hoppened The Exemplars RISE of LEGION 421	Posted - 2015.03.11 00:28:00 - [19] - Quote I've always liked the Magsec on any Medium-Long Range Fit, especially paired with the Scrambler Rifle. The Magsec has a spectacular Hipfire but that damned Kick in ADS is ******* crap. Maybe cut the Spool up time some, give it a like 25-50 RPM, and/or cut some of the ADS Kick and the Magsec would be half decent...ish. It's so close to being a proper Sidearm it hurts. Bringing Heavy Metal to New Eden. Cannon Fever Representative
Yeeeuuuupppp RISE of LEGION 894	Posted - 2015.03.11 01:14:00 - [20] - Quote The recoil is a bit obnoxious *Sheeba Sheeba* PSN: GMANCASH "I played Dust so long i grew a f--king afro"

sabre prime Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 974	Posted - 2015.03.11 01:22:00 - [21] - Quote In theory (correct me if I'm wrong) the magsec should be the original 'breach' sidearm (and therefore the best). And the minmatar breach smg is the variant of it? Anyway, the magsec needs much shorter spool up, and reduced kick even more. AND GIVE US THE SUPPRESSED VERSION OF THE MAGSEC WITH THE SCOPE. The slow blade penetrates the shield.
Maitue Mae Shadows of Vortex 136	Posted - 2015.03.11 02:21:00 - [22] - Quote I have level V skills in the Caldari assault suit and both the rail rifle and Magsec. For me, the magsec operates a little like a Gallente Assault Rifle from when I used it before the rifle parity. It's great to use for me, since I am used to the RR, and transitioning to it for closer quarters like capturing a point or indoors is great. Now, I am used to the recoil of these weapons, especially since they are at max level, so I don't know what they are like with no SP investment. Ishukone gave me my papers to transfer into the State Hail To The Caldari State


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