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Diablo Gamekeeper
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.03.09 10:17:00 -
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Why are weapons (besides AV weapons) allowed to do damage to tanks? An assault rifle should do 0 damage to a tank. Same as every other weapon. Nova Knives shouldn't even scratch a tank. The only weapons that should be able to damage tanks are: RE, proximity explosive, grenades, forge guns, swarm launcher, flaylock pistol. I can understand HMG's being able to damage LAV's but that's it.
"I think he just Assert Dominance all over my face."-Saxonmish
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Jack Boost
Zarena Family
665
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Posted - 2015.03.09 11:05:00 -
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Long time a go, in the other galaxy... Tom Hanks frag tank with pistol... (at last +70 for assist)
At the begining any weapon do full dmg to vehicles. And this was good. Then CCP decides that people are to good in normal weapon (not AV) and gives only 10% dmg from it... and left vehicle dmg intack vs infranty. IMHO to much in nerf.
There left some 'artefacts' like sniper rifle vs dropships.
BUT WHY PEOPLE NEED MORE NERF HERE?
Bring back full dmg (ok 30% is enough) and all player will be equal smohow (poor infranty vs happy roaming tank). Even team of infranty can bite anoying tank and make them fallback.
Vehicle users shoudn't have easy mode as it is now.
Not much time left...
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Wilhelm Klingspor
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2015.03.09 11:21:00 -
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Diablo Gamekeeper wrote:Why are weapons (besides AV weapons) allowed to do damage to tanks? An assault rifle should do 0 damage to a tank. Same as every other weapon. Nova Knives shouldn't even scratch a tank. The only weapons that should be able to damage tanks are: RE, proximity explosive, grenades, forge guns, swarm launcher, flaylock pistol. I can understand HMG's being able to damage LAV's but that's it.
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
1136
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Posted - 2015.03.09 11:27:00 -
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Jack Boost wrote:Long time a go, in the other galaxy... Tom Hanks frag tank with pistol... (at last +70 for assist)
At the begining any weapon do full dmg to vehicles. And this was good. Then CCP decides that people are to good in normal weapon (not AV) and gives only 10% dmg from it... and left vehicle dmg intack vs infranty. IMHO to much in nerf.
There left some 'artefacts' like sniper rifle vs dropships.
BUT WHY PEOPLE NEED MORE NERF HERE?
Bring back full dmg (ok 30% is enough) and all player will be equal smohow (poor infranty vs happy roaming tank). Even team of infranty can bite anoying tank and make them fallback.
Vehicle users shoudn't have easy mode as it is now.
You should really buy a tank and drive it around a map for 5 minutes. Seriously. One tank. The way you write is like a big bullseye saying "Jack Boost has never driven a tank ingame before!"
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Mejt0
Dead Man's Game RUST415
977
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Posted - 2015.03.09 11:39:00 -
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Jack Boost wrote: Vehicle users shoudn't have easy mode as it is now.
Easy mode? SL destroys 2k armor in on volley. Madrugars are being fuked left n right.
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dzizur
Expert Intervention Caldari State
171
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Posted - 2015.03.09 11:41:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:Jack Boost wrote: Vehicle users shoudn't have easy mode as it is now.
Easy mode? SL destroys 2k armor in on volley. Madrugars are being fuked left n right.
And I still find it easier to kill a gunlogi ;) |
Jack Boost
Zarena Family
668
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Posted - 2015.03.09 11:56:00 -
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Even when there was proto version of HAV, vehicle users complaing about how fragile they are, how much cost etc.
2k dmg is not the end of tank. You have plenty time to decide to engage or retreat..... in militia vehicle with 5k+ EHP Infantry dont have any chance to make you bleed hard if you know what to do.... in milita vehicles.
Militia cheap... solo piloted machines of doom :)
Actualy infantry can 'scary' you, and only when some people take commando and play together. Not often happen. Most of my expirence in last year that I'm only ONE INFANTRY AV in match... And you still complaining how easy you die... Because new tankers never be in danger before? Why there are some vehicle users that 'never' happen to destroy and they do a lot of harm? We play same game.
How Dust will be look like when CCP reintorduce proto vehicles and MTAC?
Not much time left...
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duster 35000
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
365
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Posted - 2015.03.09 12:19:00 -
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Jack Boost wrote:Long time a go, in the other galaxy... Tom Hanks frag tank with pistol... (at last +70 for assist)
At the begining any weapon do full dmg to vehicles. And this was good. Then CCP decides that people are to good in normal weapon (not AV) and gives only 10% dmg from it... and left vehicle dmg intack vs infranty. IMHO to much in nerf.
There left some 'artefacts' like sniper rifle vs dropships.
BUT WHY PEOPLE NEED MORE NERF HERE?
Bring back full dmg (ok 30% is enough) and all player will be equal smohow (poor infranty vs happy roaming tank). Even team of infranty can bite anoying tank and make them fallback.
Vehicle users shoudn't have easy mode as it is now. I once killed a maddy with a combat rifle.
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
1834
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Posted - 2015.03.09 14:33:00 -
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Jack Boost wrote:Even when there was proto version of HAV, vehicle users complaing about how fragile they are, how much cost etc.
2k dmg is not the end of tank. You have plenty time to decide to engage or retreat..... in militia vehicle with 5k+ EHP Infantry dont have any chance to make you bleed hard if you know what to do.... in milita vehicles.
Militia cheap... solo piloted machines of doom :)
Actualy infantry can 'scary' you, and only when some people take commando and play together. Not often happen. Most of my expirence in last year that I'm only ONE INFANTRY AV in match... And you still complaining how easy you die... Because new tankers never be in danger before? Why there are some vehicle users that 'never' happen to destroy and they do a lot of harm? We play same game.
How Dust will be look like when CCP reintorduce proto vehicles and MTAC?
AV was horrible back before 1.7 and truthfully was the only problem in that whole scenario , all they had to do was tone it down and fix the numbers to balance .
AV grenades were killer and was really all you had to carry , if you had two players with ADV or PRO AV grenades , they could easily deal with a HAV without firing a single AV weapon , FG's had splash damage and swarms were crazy ... and people complain about how things are now .?., I guess not too many was around for that and the prices of the higher tier vehicles were a lot and shows in the first thing once rebalancing came , was the fact that pilots came together to knock down the prices for their ships .
Stop acting like you don't know , or maybe you just forgot OR you might just suffer vehicle phobia .
Higher tiered tanks costing over a million ISK's .
I see why people scammed others players and screwed up PC , they needed ISK's for their vehicles .
Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
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LUGMOS
Corrosive Synergy RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2015.03.09 15:11:00 -
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duster 35000 wrote:I once killed a maddy with a combat rifle. I once killed a Gunnlogi with a combat rifle. I've killed at least 5 with a Flaylock.
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
1137
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Posted - 2015.03.09 20:39:00 -
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Jack Boost wrote:Even when there was proto version of HAV, vehicle users complaing about how fragile they are, how much cost etc.
2k dmg is not the end of tank. You have plenty time to decide to engage or retreat..... in militia vehicle with 5k+ EHP Infantry dont have any chance to make you bleed hard if you know what to do.... in milita vehicles.
Militia cheap... solo piloted machines of doom :)
Actualy infantry can 'scary' you, and only when some people take commando and play together. Not often happen. Most of my expirence in last year that I'm only ONE INFANTRY AV in match... And you still complaining how easy you die... Because new tankers never be in danger before? Why there are some vehicle users that 'never' happen to destroy and they do a lot of harm? We play same game.
How Dust will be look like when CCP reintorduce proto vehicles and MTAC?
So... you're saying... after you get hit by the first shot (remember another is already incoming, practically guaranteed damage) that 4 seconds is enough to evaluate where the swarms are coming from, where your routes are, who is engaging you, and where a clear line of travel is? Again "Never Driven a Tank" comes to mind.
You sir, look like you are up for the Madrugar Challenge.
Buy 10 tanks. Armor. Drive them onto the field. Discover how quickly your asset is destroyed. I recommend Hardeners. You are not allowed to "take the easy route" and be a "cheap redline camping tank", cause that seems to be your criteria. Do not stop deploying your tank till the end of the match (actually, you may need about 20 if anyone with more than a Militia AV fit is on). Now. Check your assets. How much did that cost you? Are you willing to expend that much money every round? Third round? Tenth? How much active time does it cost you for a few moments in a tank? If not... why?
---If you are unable or unwilling to take part in this challenge, you admit to having little understanding of what you are talking about and/or care nothing of balance---
LUGMOS wrote:duster 35000 wrote:I once killed a maddy with a combat rifle. I once killed a Gunnlogi with a combat rifle. I've killed at least 5 with a Flaylock.
I will kid you not when I say I destroyed a Gunnlogi with a Scrambler Pistol. Once. Fired only one round into it. It confused the hell out of me. I assumed afterwards that the Health meter did not show appropriate AV damage due to lag, but I got the WP right in my face.
http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU
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Squagga
The State Protectorate
350
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Posted - 2015.03.09 20:44:00 -
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Wait, you can kill tanks with any weapon again? Kitten sweet!
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
17530
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Posted - 2015.03.09 20:59:00 -
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dzizur wrote:Mejt0 wrote:Jack Boost wrote: Vehicle users shoudn't have easy mode as it is now.
Easy mode? SL destroys 2k armor in on volley. Madrugars are being fuked left n right. And I still find it easier to kill a gunlogi ;)
It's not. Quite frankly being a pilot of both in this current climate the Madrugar cannot compete. I do love the mobility profile but damn every form of Anti Vehicle weapon deals unbelievable levels of damage to the comparatively lower eHP armour tanks currently possess.
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Jack Boost
Zarena Family
672
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Posted - 2015.03.09 21:33:00 -
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I'm with tankers from the beginning (closed beta). If you tell me that it is easy loose HAV.. yes it is, but easiest way is go as heavy crosing road. But how much easier is to loose as infranty 1 to 10 (you can do it every match) for people then do same in tank or any other vehicle? How ofter you jump out from you precious vehicle? Jump out with full Heavy suit with HMG or full electro cloak and continiue laugh at AV user.
I'm AV from beginning. Since era of SL that can do sometihng to vehicle, to time when it was laugh for any driver/pilot. Era of AV grenades that you deploy around depot ant wait for any 'hungry' for kills vehicle that easy kill infranty around it. Time that every friend give ISK for few tankers for any support. Time that CCP nerf all AV. Time that drivers can recall any vehicle now at any moment and get it back with full EHP and ammo.
I have respect for few of you, but as average, you vehicle users already loose horizon. With more powerful vehicles that comes, bigger map , infantry are at end line... even new or old player.
If you don't 'harden' your skils and only whine for more easy mode this game never be balanced as vehicle vs infranty.
At last I only need times like Tom Hanks vs tank... never loose hope and last bullet make miracles. I will be there and I will watch you.. always.
Not much time left...
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Diablo Gamekeeper
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
114
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Posted - 2015.03.09 21:35:00 -
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Jack Boost wrote:I'm with tankers from the beginning (closed beta). If you tell me that it is easy loose HAV.. yes it is, but easiest way is go as heavy crosing road. But how much easier is to loose as infranty 1 to 10 (you can do it every match) for people then do same in tank or any other vehicle? How ofter you jump out from you precious vehicle? Jump out with full Heavy suit with HMG or full electro cloak and continiue laugh at AV user.
I'm AV from beginning. Since era of SL that can do sometihng to vehicle, to time when it was laugh for any driver/pilot. Era of AV grenades that you deploy around depot ant wait for any 'hungry' for kills vehicle that easy kill infranty around it. Time that every friend give ISK for few tankers for any support. Time that CCP nerf all AV. Time that drivers can recall any vehicle now at any moment and get it back with full EHP and ammo.
I have respect for few of you, but as average, you vehicle users already loose horizon. With more powerful vehicles that comes, bigger map , infantry are at end line... even new or old player.
If you don't 'harden' your skils and only whine for more easy mode this game never be balanced as vehicle vs infranty.
At last I only need times like Tom Hanks vs tank... never loose hope and last bullet make miracles. I will be there and I will watch you.. always. I destroy tanks with swarms all the time......
"I think he just Assert Dominance all over my face."-Saxonmish
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Derpty Derp
Dead Man's Game
893
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Posted - 2015.03.09 21:50:00 -
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I've been chased away by a lot of people firing non AV weapons at my vehicles (mostly LAV's) but I've never seen it as a problem... If anything they should do more damage, or at least weaken a vehicles defenses... But nerf swarms first.
dzizur wrote:And I still find it easier to kill a gunlogi ;) Because they're easier to find? |
JARREL THOMAS
Dead Man's Game RUST415
491
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Posted - 2015.03.09 21:51:00 -
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Jack Boost wrote:Even when there was proto version of HAV, vehicle users complaing about how fragile they are, how much cost etc.
2k dmg is not the end of tank. You have plenty time to decide to engage or retreat..... in militia vehicle with 5k+ EHP Infantry dont have any chance to make you bleed hard if you know what to do.... in milita vehicles.
Militia cheap... solo piloted machines of doom :)
Actualy infantry can 'scary' you, and only when some people take commando and play together. Not often happen. Most of my expirence in last year that I'm only ONE INFANTRY AV in match... And you still complaining how easy you die... Because new tankers never be in danger before? Why there are some vehicle users that 'never' happen to destroy and they do a lot of harm? We play same game.
How Dust will be look like when CCP reintorduce proto vehicles and MTAC?
Millitia vehicle with 5k hp thats a soma with no modules or super reps which no longer exist. Since you guys nerfed those to ****, and if you can't kill a militia tank then well... go on a spirit walk.
Maybe new tankers aren't crap but you need others to help you
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Why should infrantry that don't own vehicles, that can't balance their own mechanics, balance vehicles
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