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True Adamance wrote:

Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:

HAVs can't be expensive yet expendable, are we ditching the "expendable" concept that CCP "introduced" with Wolfman's massive vehicle changes a while back, and designing the new HAVs to be tough nuts to crack?

That's a difficult topic to tackle because it requires an almost perfect balance between vehicles having durability so they can function properly on field and at the same time having them vulnerable enough that they can be relatively easily destroyed. The issues then becomes what does expendable mean in terms of vehicles.

Currently most ADS and Tanks already are between 3-6 times more expensive than the suit that is likely to destroy them and frankly who wants to run a unit that costs a **** tonne, consumes the same amount of SP as an infantry role, especially when infantry can currently almost do everything better and have access to the most if not all of the map.

Personally I'd rather see anti infantry roles from vehicles put into lighter Medium Hulls like MAV [IFV] and Fighters......but god knows we are unlike to get those any time soon.

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Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 849	Posted - 2015.03.09 00:39:00 - [1] - Quote im curious how much ISK the advanced/proto tank variants will actually cost. Its definately going to cost more then we have now. I think price progression will look like this: -STD= 97.500 ISK (same as before) -ADV= 350/500K ISK -PRO= 1 million ISK Would that price progression be too steep or justified? Cause how im looking at it the new shield tanks will be monstrositys and extremely hard to take down with a experienced driver. Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!
Fizzer XCIV Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 2532	Posted - 2015.03.09 00:48:00 - [2] - Quote 300-400K for ADV Tanks. 1.3-1.5M for PRO Tanks. Home at Last <3
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17523	Posted - 2015.03.09 01:01:00 - [3] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: 261.3K for ADV Tanks. 1.875M for PRO Tanks. That would follow the same progression as Dropsuits, at least, and sounds pretty reasonable... I'd be more inclined to theorise a cool 97,500 Militia 200,000 Standard 787,000 Advanced 1,227,000 Prototype I don't particularly see those values as unreasonable. "This is the Usumgal boy, the exalted dragon, wreathed in the fires of heaven. He is a true symbol of God's majesty."
Fizzer XCIV Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 2532	Posted - 2015.03.09 01:04:00 - [4] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Fizzer XCIV wrote: 261.3K for ADV Tanks. 1.875M for PRO Tanks. That would follow the same progression as Dropsuits, at least, and sounds pretty reasonable... I'd be more inclined to theorise a cool 97,500 Militia 200,000 Standard 787,000 Advanced 1,227,000 Prototype I don't particularly see those values as unreasonable. Too linear. The PRO tanks should cost more than 12x the Militia ones, and the ADV ones shouldn't be so spendy. There needs to be a bigger reason to not use PRO all the time. If it were me, PRO HAVs would cost 3-4M, and PRO Dropsuits would be bumped to the same progression(100-130K) Home at Last <3
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5273	Posted - 2015.03.09 02:37:00 - [5] - Quote I would say make the current overall cost float somewhere around the Advanced to Proto range. I mean you kind of have to take a look at what you'll be fitting to each tiered tank. Overall current tanks are mostly Proto modules, so by no means should standard tanks fit with mostly standard modules, cost as much as the current "proto" tanks. "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast www.biomassed.net
DarthJT5 Random Gunz RISE of LEGION 296	Posted - 2015.03.09 02:54:00 - [6] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Fizzer XCIV wrote: 261.3K for ADV Tanks. 1.875M for PRO Tanks. That would follow the same progression as Dropsuits, at least, and sounds pretty reasonable... I'd be more inclined to theorise a cool 97,500 Militia 200,000 Standard 787,000 Advanced 1,227,000 Prototype I don't particularly see those values as unreasonable. If we go by those prices, what in the HELL would a Proto UHAV cost? I don't even want to know.... Dedicated Shield Tanking vet since Open Beta. Veteran Python Pilot for 1 year. The awnser is always XT missiles....
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 850	Posted - 2015.03.09 15:20:00 - [7] - Quote I would like to have some Dev input on this or at least update the google document. Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17527	Posted - 2015.03.09 19:01:00 - [8] - Quote Okay fair enough point. STD 97500 ADV 200,000 Proto 787,000 UHAV 1,227,000 DHAV 787,000 "This is the Usumgal boy, the exalted dragon, wreathed in the fires of heaven. He is a true symbol of God's majesty."
Tread Loudly 2 Ametat Security Amarr Empire 78	Posted - 2015.03.09 19:31:00 - [9] - Quote The Proto's could cost well over 2 million ISK, and I'd still be willing to by them, so long as they have a far superior ability to survive! I Like Tanks, Nova Knives and MagSec SMG's.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5276	Posted - 2015.03.09 19:47:00 - [10] - Quote Tread Loudly 2 wrote: The Proto's could cost well over 2 million ISK, and I'd still be willing to by them, so long as they have a far superior ability to survive! They don't. You'll be fitting the same modules onto them that you are now. So unless you want to pay a lot for more a little bit of an improvement, you're not going to like a 2 million ISK base hull. I suggest you take a look at the fitting options available, the new tanks are on protofits (though slightly different from the final Echo numbers) "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast www.biomassed.net

Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1835	Posted - 2015.03.09 19:48:00 - [11] - Quote If you guys are coming up with these prices then , what should the DS prices be ?? If it's considerably less then your bias as $h!t . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1884	Posted - 2015.03.09 19:52:00 - [12] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Okay fair enough point. STD 97500 ADV 200,000 Proto 787,000 UHAV 1,227,000 DHAV 787,000 I wouldn't pay that much for a tank for a long time. Especially considering the fact that tanks are weak sauce. It's like proto suits getting lit up by militia shotguns but isk price X20. Edit: back in the day I'l happy pay up to 2.5 mil for my sagaris during chromosome but AV is so ridiculous that I wont now. Turrets are ridiculous now too. Acquire Currency, Disregard Female Canis lupus familiaris
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17528	Posted - 2015.03.09 20:13:00 - [13] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: True Adamance wrote: Okay fair enough point. STD 97500 ADV 200,000 Proto 787,000 UHAV 1,227,000 DHAV 787,000 I wouldn't pay that much for a tank for a long time. Especially considering the fact that tanks are weak sauce. It's like proto suits getting lit up by militia shotguns but isk price X20. Edit: back in the day I'l happy pay up to 2.5 mil for my sagaris during chromosome but AV is so ridiculous that I wont now. Turrets are ridiculous now too. I can somewhat agree but the above look like very fair prices in the current climate. In previous climates 1.5 million ISK+ was absolutely worth the investment. "This is the Usumgal boy, the exalted dragon, wreathed in the fires of heaven. He is a true symbol of God's majesty."
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1884	Posted - 2015.03.09 20:29:00 - [14] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: True Adamance wrote: Okay fair enough point. STD 97500 ADV 200,000 Proto 787,000 UHAV 1,227,000 DHAV 787,000 I wouldn't pay that much for a tank for a long time. Especially considering the fact that tanks are weak sauce. It's like proto suits getting lit up by militia shotguns but isk price X20. Edit: back in the day I'l happy pay up to 2.5 mil for my sagaris during chromosome but AV is so ridiculous that I wont now. Turrets are ridiculous now too. I can somewhat agree but the above look like very fair prices in the current climate. In previous climates 1.5 million ISK+ was absolutely worth the investment. 97500 STD 195000 ADV 390000 PRO 585000 UHAV/DHAV Acquire Currency, Disregard Female Canis lupus familiaris
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 3540	Posted - 2015.03.09 20:44:00 - [15] - Quote HAVs can't be expensive yet expendable, are we ditching the "expendable" concept that CCP "introduced" with Wolfman's massive vehicle changes a while back, and designing the new HAVs to be tough nuts to crack? "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1886	Posted - 2015.03.09 20:50:00 - [16] - Quote [quote=Xocoyol Zaraoul]HAVs can't be expensive yet expendable, are we ditching the "expendable" concept that CCP "introduced" with Wolfman's massive vehicle changes a while back, and designing the new HAVs to be tough nuts to crack?[/quote I'm im gonna pay a lot of an asset, it better not be blown up by a 28k isk swarm launcher or a 50k isk tank. Acquire Currency, Disregard Female Canis lupus familiaris
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game RUST415 491	Posted - 2015.03.09 20:55:00 - [17] - Quote I want to see how these vehicles play before they start costing this much. Caldari Loyalist Why should infrantry that don't own vehicles, that can't balance their own mechanics, balance vehicles
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game RUST415 491	Posted - 2015.03.09 20:57:00 - [18] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: HAVs can't be expensive yet expendable, are we ditching the "expendable" concept that CCP "introduced" with Wolfman's massive vehicle changes a while back, and designing the new HAVs to be tough nuts to crack? I'm im gonna pay a lot of an asset, it better not be blown up by a 28k isk swarm launcher or a 50k isk tank. fixed Caldari Loyalist Why should infrantry that don't own vehicles, that can't balance their own mechanics, balance vehicles
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17530	Posted - 2015.03.09 21:19:00 - [19] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: HAVs can't be expensive yet expendable, are we ditching the "expendable" concept that CCP "introduced" with Wolfman's massive vehicle changes a while back, and designing the new HAVs to be tough nuts to crack? That's a difficult topic to tackle because it requires an almost perfect balance between vehicles having durability so they can function properly on field and at the same time having them vulnerable enough that they can be relatively easily destroyed. The issues then becomes what does expendable mean in terms of vehicles. Currently most ADS and Tanks already are between 3-6 times more expensive than the suit that is likely to destroy them and frankly who wants to run a unit that costs a **** tonne, consumes the same amount of SP as an infantry role, especially when infantry can currently almost do everything better and have access to the most if not all of the map. Personally I'd rather see anti infantry roles from vehicles put into lighter Medium Hulls like MAV [IFV] and Fighters......but god knows we are unlike to get those any time soon. "This is the Usumgal boy, the exalted dragon, wreathed in the fires of heaven. He is a true symbol of God's majesty."
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1893	Posted - 2015.03.10 02:55:00 - [20] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: HAVs can't be expensive yet expendable, are we ditching the "expendable" concept that CCP "introduced" with Wolfman's massive vehicle changes a while back, and designing the new HAVs to be tough nuts to crack? That's a difficult topic to tackle because it requires an almost perfect balance between vehicles having durability so they can function properly on field and at the same time having them vulnerable enough that they can be relatively easily destroyed. The issues then becomes what does expendable mean in terms of vehicles. Currently most ADS and Tanks already are between 3-6 times more expensive than the suit that is likely to destroy them and frankly who wants to run a unit that costs a **** tonne, consumes the same amount of SP as an infantry role, especially when infantry can currently almost do everything better and have access to the most if not all of the map. Personally I'd rather see anti infantry roles from vehicles put into lighter Medium Hulls like MAV [IFV] and Fighters......but god knows we are unlike to get those any time soon. 10-20X more expensive than the lihad vehicles that kill them too. Acquire Currency, Disregard Female Canis lupus familiaris



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