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CRNWLLC Gangsta Gank 408	Posted - 2015.03.06 17:29:00 - [1] - Quote I rerolled my skills yesterday. Got rid of a few that I never used and moved my suit focuses from proto Gal scout/adv. Cal assault/adv. Amarr logi, to proto Min scout/proto Amarr assault/adv. Cal assault (which fits my the favorite playstyles much better: fast hacker/cheap shot killer, scrambler rifle spammer, and occasional sniper). Ditched the shotty for the NKs, which was a very, very good decision for me. DAT SLICE N DICE. I also kept SMGs at proto. Oh--I also skilled cloaking to advanced. Lulz for days--definitely makes everything a lot easier! Anyway, my current Min scout fit is basically precision enhancers in my highs, profile dampeners in my lows, NKs in my light weapon slot (for a quick R2 tap to decloak and charge the knives) and an SMG in my sidearm slot. Cloak and REs for equipment. My question is: am I doing it wrong? I can't think of what else I'd want to use in place of the precision enhancers and damps. I tried sidearm weapon upgrades, but they were too CPU intensive and the bonus I already get from level 5 Min scout suit + level 5 in NK proficiency already seems to be more than enough to take down any but the most brick-tanked sentinels, and I don't plan on using the SMG except as a backup or to finish off fleeing victims. I looked into myofibril stimulants, but it doesn't seem like they increase damage output from NKs, so I avoided them. Any sort of shield extenders or armor seems to be against the spirit of this build, so I left them out of the equation as well. Please let me know what you recommend for a Min scout + NKs build. PS: Proto Amarr assault is unreal. 800 EHP and almost 22 points/s armor regen? Mmhmm.
Bright Steel Horizons' Edge VP Gaming Alliance 1019	Posted - 2015.03.06 17:37:00 - [2] - Quote I have found that extenders high and kincats lows with damps as needed. If you move fast enough scouts aren't as much of a problem so percision isn't as important. Same for damps. (Have fits with all kincat and then 1 damp, 2 damp, and 3 damp) But your not going to have room for the cloak and kincats.... So I ditched the cloak and rely on speed and evasion. At this point without the cloak you can move the NK to sidearm slot and put a CR/ACR on it. Side note, found that if you take pop shoots with CR they will come after you and make it easy to ambush them With your knives. Just my 2 isk Dust 514, the BEST WORST game you can't stop playing.
CRNWLLC Gangsta Gank 408	Posted - 2015.03.06 17:43:00 - [3] - Quote Bright Steel wrote: I have found that extenders high and kincats lows with damps as needed. If you move fast enough scouts aren't as much of a problem so percision isn't as important. Same for damps. (Have fits with all kincat and then 1 damp, 2 damp, and 3 damp) But your not going to have room for the cloak and kincats.... So I ditched the cloak and rely on speed and evasion. At this point without the cloak you can move the NK to sidearm slot and put a CR/ACR on it. Side note, found that if you take pop shoots with CR they will come after you and make it easy to ambush them With your knives. Just my 2 isk Awesome, thanks for the ideas. I have no skills with the CR, but I've been thinking of getting to at least advanced, specifically for this fit, since the CR seems a lot deadlier than the SMG. I'll also try out kincats and extenders--your points about other scouts and precision are well taken. I think I'll try extenders instead of precision enhancers and will give kincats a go too. Now that I'm typing this and thinking about your point re: other scouts, kincats seem like an obvious choice since I spend so much time running between hacking points and only killing as the opportunity presents itself.
TooMany Names AlreadyTaken Going for the gold 867	Posted - 2015.03.06 17:44:00 - [4] - Quote I got an M/1-Series Scout fitted with an ADV cloak, 2 enhanced dampeners, Ishukone NK's and 3 basic shield extenders. I never get scanned. Found my favorite DJ - ATB
CRNWLLC Gangsta Gank 408	Posted - 2015.03.06 17:46:00 - [5] - Quote TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote: I got an M/1-Series Scout fitted with an ADV cloak, 2 enhanced dampeners, Ishukone NK's and 3 basic shield extenders. I never get scanned. Sweet. Think I'll definitely be swapping out the precision enhancers for extenders this afternoon. Thanks.
Bright Steel Horizons' Edge VP Gaming Alliance 1020	Posted - 2015.03.06 19:46:00 - [6] - Quote PS: Proto Amarr assault is unreal. 800 EHP and almost 22 points/s armor regen? Mmhmm But it's sooo slow.... Once I went minmatar I never went back. I'm addicted to the speed Dust 514, the BEST WORST game you can't stop playing.
Eruditus 920 Nemo Malus Felix 1396	Posted - 2015.03.06 19:51:00 - [7] - Quote When Hotfix Echo is released, myofibrils will increase jump ability by 25% per module at proto so if you're running a quick agile frame like a scout with a high alpha weapon like NK's, you may want to reconsider them for your high slots. "Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
Bright Steel Horizons' Edge VP Gaming Alliance 1020	Posted - 2015.03.06 20:28:00 - [8] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: When Hotfix Echo is released, myofibrils will increase jump ability by 25% per module at proto so if you're running a quick agile frame like a scout with a high alpha weapon like NK's, you may want to reconsider them for your high slots. Just imagine the raptor strikes with three of these Dust 514, the BEST WORST game you can't stop playing.
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 8261	Posted - 2015.03.06 20:49:00 - [9] - Quote CRNWLLC wrote: TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote: I got an M/1-Series Scout fitted with an ADV cloak, 2 enhanced dampeners, Ishukone NK's and 3 basic shield extenders. I never get scanned. Sweet. Think I'll definitely be swapping out the precision enhancers for extenders this afternoon. Thanks. At 200 or less HP, you practically need them. HP is king, and if you don't have any added, you can die when people accidentally fire there weapons. Its ridiculously easy to die. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game RUST415 942	Posted - 2015.03.06 20:49:00 - [10] - Quote 3x enhanced shields 2x complex kincats 1x complex dampener Ishukone Cloak 2nd eqiupment [links, re] Ishukone NK Bolt pistol/CR If you can't fit that, downgrade shields. But you should be able to fit that. You can use this as a base. Change kincat for 2nd damp or codebreaker etc. Loyal to State https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2629870#post2629870 - Mejto's trade/sale list

TritusX PH4NT0M5 388	Posted - 2015.03.06 21:36:00 - [11] - Quote Bright Steel wrote: Side note, found that if you take pop shoots with CR they will come after you and make it easy to ambush them With your knives. Just my 2 isk Doesn't work for me. I'm always running either a BPO Gal Scout or a ADV Min Scout, and the moment they see someone shoot them and duck away, they come around the corner at a super wide turn so when they come around I'm in the open with knives charged That scout you see on the kill board with 20 kills and 15 deaths
Snow Blooded Nos Nothi 13	Posted - 2015.03.06 22:41:00 - [12] - Quote Three enhanced extenders are a must. You won't pick up anyone even with PE's bcuz range nerf. Always run ZN-28's or higher unless you're that good. I can't figure how ppl fit proto cloaks on Minscouts. Cmplx damps are necessary. Then come cmplx kincats.
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game RUST415 942	Posted - 2015.03.06 23:32:00 - [13] - Quote Snow Blooded wrote: Three enhanced extenders are a must. You won't pick up anyone even with PE's bcuz range nerf. Always run ZN-28's or higher unless you're that good. I can't figure how ppl fit proto cloaks on Minscouts. Cmplx damps are necessary. Then come cmplx kincats. It's quite easy to fit min scout. You can fit 1 complex and 2 enhanced shields, boundless CR, Ishukone NK, flux, adv links, complex kincat, and 2 complex damps with proper skills. Change links for compact hive, boundless cr for adv cr and you'll fit there another complex kincat. Loyal to State Mejt0's Sale List Offering help via mails
Francois Sanchez Prima Gallicus 303	Posted - 2015.03.07 00:06:00 - [14] - Quote Put two extenders, one precison enhancer (so that you still pick assaults on the long scan range). Put damps and kincats in the low slots and you can keep the rest as you do, even if using a BP or a CR would work as well if not better than the SMG and will save you some precious PG. You should try a super hack fit it's hilarious (same fit, but change the lows for one damp and 2 codebreakers)
IAmDuncanIdaho II Nos Nothi 1547	Posted - 2015.03.07 00:17:00 - [15] - Quote If you're running two sidearms you could do worse than fit a sidearm damage mod. You are likely to find you need the range of at least an assault rifle though. Combat rifle is better on a Minmatar suit for lore reasons - it's also a lot more popular in general. I love running an ADV Minja with 2x kincats but that's so powergrid hungry I often run just the one with some HP modules and the odd EWAR module depending on whether I'm getting scanned or not. I also find stacking ADV shield extenders is better than complex. I can never fit any equipment on it, and even a grenade is tight. It can be tough to fit - get them core skills up. You could also hit up The Barber Shop in The Locker Room - plenty of scouts running around in there to give advice.
Dreis Shadowweaver T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K RISE of LEGION 2055	Posted - 2015.03.07 00:35:00 - [16] - Quote Ditch the precision; they're absolutely worthless. Personally, I use a Kincat, a Damp, and a Ferro on my Proto fit, + as much shield I can fit. This allows you to frontal-knife most suits. If you solely intend on knifing though, I'd replace the Ferro with another Kincat. At least one Damp is mandatory. Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3 Dreis(Ishukone Nova Knives)CCPArchduke
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge VP Gaming Alliance 3130	Posted - 2015.03.07 02:42:00 - [17] - Quote CRG-3 Shotgun Isho/ZN-28s Flux Grenade ARN-8 Cloak Field Just what I use. (for my Calscout.) *Fuck the silver, let's go for the gold* . *I am what haunts your dreams at night.*
Bright Steel Horizons' Edge VP Gaming Alliance 1027	Posted - 2015.03.07 23:09:00 - [18] - Quote TritusX wrote: Bright Steel wrote: Side note, found that if you take pop shoots with CR they will come after you and make it easy to ambush them With your knives. Just my 2 isk Doesn't work for me. I'm always running either a BPO Gal Scout or a ADV Min Scout, and the moment they see someone shoot them and duck away, they come around the corner at a super wide turn so when they come around I'm in the open with knives charged Don't charge your knives, they can hear them, wait for them to get close and sprint towards them then slash multiple times. Or if your exceptionally good at lining it up, jump and charge just before so you don't lose your momentum (called a raptor strike) Dust 514, the BEST WORST game you can't stop playing.
CRNWLLC Gangsta Gank 409	Posted - 2015.03.09 16:39:00 - [19] - Quote Bright Steel wrote: PS: Proto Amarr assault is unreal. 800 EHP and almost 22 points/s armor regen? Mmhmm But it's sooo slow.... Once I went minmatar I never went back. I'm addicted to the speed I completely agree, but the ScR is so beast with that suit--so rare that I overheat it anymore! I wish KinCats boosted movement (ie, non-sprint) speed too, then I'd used them to counteract the penalty from complex armor plates and focus more on brick tanking. As it stands, I'm moving at about 4.75m/s and sprinting at 6.99m/s in my proto fit. I use two complex armor reppers, a complex reactive, and two complex ferros. I think my EHP is just over 800. Speed is definitely my favorite mechanic, but DAT LAZER. So, I think I'm getting the best of both worlds overall. And, I've still got my sweet, sweet Minja to run around with. Considering it's speeds are 5.65m/s / 8.3something?m/s, that beefy ak.0 isn't giving up too much speed. My Dust gun game is slowly but surely returning to where it was. Amarr assault and Minja are new suits for me too, so there's a bit of an added learning curve, but I went 12/3 using only NKs last night, and this was after a match where I went like 2/10 or something abysmal like that, so it was a much needed confidence boost.
CRNWLLC Gangsta Gank 409	Posted - 2015.03.09 16:42:00 - [20] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: When Hotfix Echo is released, myofibrils will increase jump ability by 25% per module at proto so if you're running a quick agile frame like a scout with a high alpha weapon like NK's, you may want to reconsider them for your high slots. Oh, awesome, thanks for the heads up. I tried using KinCats in my highs, but I feel like they're too resource-demanding, and I get way more bang for my PG buck with a cloak. Also, I don't like that KinCats don't increase base movement speed--that seems a little wonky from a pretend-sci-fi-technology standpoint.

CRNWLLC Gangsta Gank 409	Posted - 2015.03.09 16:44:00 - [21] - Quote Snow Blooded wrote: Three enhanced extenders are a must. You won't pick up anyone even with PE's bcuz range nerf. Always run ZN-28's or higher unless you're that good. I can't figure how ppl fit proto cloaks on Minscouts. Cmplx damps are necessary. Then come cmplx kincats. I'm with you, Snow. I tried kincats a few days ago and found them to be too resource-demanding. Also, when I tried them in place of complex damps, I kept seeing, "YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED" at the top of my screen, which, as a cloaky knifer, is completely and totally unacceptable. So, out with the KCs and back in with the PDs.
CRNWLLC Gangsta Gank 409	Posted - 2015.03.09 16:47:00 - [22] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: 3x enhanced shields 2x complex kincats 1x complex dampener Ishukone Cloak 2nd eqiupment [links, re] Ishukone NK Bolt pistol/CR If you can't fit that, downgrade shields. But you should be able to fit that. You can use this as a base. Change kincat for 2nd damp or codebreaker etc. This is pretty much what I'm running, except I opted for all PDs in my lows instead of KCs, since they need a lot of PG and I kept getting scanned without them (seems like logis are running proto active scanners all the time now). Oh--and I have an SMG in place of the Bolt Pistol/CR, since I am not skilled into either of those. That Bolt Pistol looks like it would be worth checking out, though. Those things kill me all the time.


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