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Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 7329	Posted - 2015.03.06 00:39:00 - [1] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: jump height is a factor of speed Top 3 Jumpers #1 - MN Assault #2 - MN Scout #3 - CA Assault Speculative Maths! Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 1354	Posted - 2015.03.06 00:42:00 - [2] - Quote jumping in the tactical shooter is disgusting nonsense Please support fair play!
Protocake JR Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 1714	Posted - 2015.03.06 00:44:00 - [3] - Quote John Psi wrote: jumping in the tactical shooter is disgusting nonsense This isn't a tactical shooter.
saxonmish T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K RISE of LEGION 1065	Posted - 2015.03.06 00:46:00 - [4] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: jump height is a factor of speed Top 3 Jumpers #1 - MN Assault #2 - MN Scout #3 - CA Assault Speculative Maths! 190 = 5x myofibs (there's no stacking penalty on anything atm) SAXON ON A MISH - My Youtube Channel :)
Atiim Commando Perkone Caldari State 15882	Posted - 2015.03.06 00:48:00 - [5] - Quote My nerf what kills me senses are tingling. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 1354	Posted - 2015.03.06 00:57:00 - [6] - Quote Protocake JR wrote: John Psi wrote: jumping in the tactical shooter is disgusting nonsense This isn't a tactical shooter. Yes, now it's mario. Have fun. Please support fair play!
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 7331	Posted - 2015.03.06 01:12:00 - [7] - Quote John Psi wrote: Yes, now it's mario. saxonmish wrote: 190 = 5x myofibs (there's no stacking penalty on anything atm) CCP Rattati wrote: we are scaling at 3 stacked pro myofibs on minmatar scouts being able to jump on top of the big containers. Stacking penalties = on Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Archduke Ferd1nand Nos Nothi 141	Posted - 2015.03.06 02:53:00 - [8] - Quote My prediction: Day 1 everyone will be jumping like crazy. Then they'll realize that its better to just strafe instead, and continue stacking eHP mods. Life will continue as normal, except ADADADAADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADADAD strafing will be the new best strafe, and figure 8 will be done. Circle will be worse than before but still ok. ADDADAADADADADADADADADADADADADADAD strafe will annoy everyone. BRB, looking for socks Asslut Rifles OP, anal now I shit shotgun shells and piss Remote Explosives
Proto Annihilator 16 Vandals 551	Posted - 2015.03.06 02:55:00 - [9] - Quote John Psi wrote: jumping in the tactical shooter is disgusting nonsense We must entertain the children. They get cranky.
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy RISE of LEGION 2534	Posted - 2015.03.06 02:56:00 - [10] - Quote Mmmm yes... Going to try to be the first to PLC dunk on people Official QuafeGäó Advocate Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V
Kira Lannister Ancient Exiles. 2638	Posted - 2015.03.06 03:26:00 - [11] - Quote Ninja wall hops to get in and out of the compounds? Sounds swanky. Inbound Froggers at alpha! "The Ancient Templars will guard fearlessly the people, the land and the heavens of the empire." Book of Exiles 1:3
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 6557	Posted - 2015.03.06 03:30:00 - [12] - Quote John Psi wrote: jumping in the tactical shooter is disgusting nonsense Which is why this will be awesome.
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy RISE of LEGION 2535	Posted - 2015.03.06 03:37:00 - [13] - Quote Kira Lannister wrote: Froggers I will help you make this the official term Official QuafeGäó Advocate Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V
Kira Lannister Ancient Exiles. 2639	Posted - 2015.03.06 03:39:00 - [14] - Quote There will be some crazy assasinations. Like where did that Nova Knifer just go?!!?! Or better. WHERE DID HE COME FROM??!!!!!? He came from the sky my friends. From the sky. "The Ancient Templars will guard fearlessly the people, the land and the heavens of the empire." Book of Exiles 1:3
Billy Jr Eternal Beings 62	Posted - 2015.03.06 03:40:00 - [15] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: Kira Lannister wrote: Froggers I will help you make this the official term For the love all things unholy, make it so!
hold that Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 672	Posted - 2015.03.06 03:41:00 - [16] - Quote you thought uplinks being placed up high was messed up before (main reason as a defense against scouts), it's going to be disgusting now
DeadlyAztec11 Defenders of the Helghast Dream 7798	Posted - 2015.03.06 03:42:00 - [17] - Quote Assassin's Creed just got real. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy RISE of LEGION 2538	Posted - 2015.03.06 03:43:00 - [18] - Quote hold that wrote: you thought uplinks being placed up high was messed up before (main reason as a defense against scouts), it's going to be disgusting now What? Now they'll have a counter that isn't a derpship. That's a good thing my friend. Official QuafeGäó Advocate Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V
Kira Lannister Ancient Exiles. 2639	Posted - 2015.03.06 03:46:00 - [19] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: Kira Lannister wrote: Froggers I will help you make this the official term Let's do it. People will embrace it. Froggers are op. Froggers ruin map design. Nerf Frogging. Frogging over a heavy is an unfair advantage. "The Ancient Templars will guard fearlessly the people, the land and the heavens of the empire." Book of Exiles 1:3
John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 1355	Posted - 2015.03.06 04:00:00 - [20] - Quote Kira Lannister wrote: Froggers ruin map design. 10/10 Please support fair play!
duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 346	Posted - 2015.03.06 05:23:00 - [21] - Quote saxonmish wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: jump height is a factor of speed Top 3 Jumpers #1 - MN Assault #2 - MN Scout #3 - CA Assault Speculative Maths! 190 = 5x myofibs (there's no stacking penalty on anything atm) Shield rechargers say otherwise. Molestia approved
ROMULUS H3X research lab 333	Posted - 2015.03.06 06:28:00 - [22] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: Mmmm yes... Going to try to be the first to PLC dunk on people Are we not already doing this? :) But ya.. dunking on someone after hoping clear over a container will be just great hahah FORGE/FLAYLOCK/FISTS PLASMA/PISTOL/PUNCH ALL OF YOU PUNKS GET HUMILIATED AFTER LUNCH!
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 3507	Posted - 2015.03.06 08:16:00 - [23] - Quote Can I put these on my LAV for some sweet jumps? "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Assert Dominance Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback 939	Posted - 2015.03.06 08:31:00 - [24] - Quote John Psi wrote: jumping in the tactical shooter is disgusting nonsense dust is a tactical shooter? 6 man proto squad errday.
John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 1356	Posted - 2015.03.06 09:10:00 - [25] - Quote Assert Dominance wrote: John Psi wrote: jumping in the tactical shooter is disgusting nonsense dust is a tactical shooter? God, nooo, nooooo, noooooooooo, god! https://dust514.com/game/faq/ ===================================================== WHAT KIND OF GAMEPLAY CAN I EXPECT IN DUST 514? DUST 514 offers edge-of-your-seat shooter combat within a persistent universe. You will engage in brutal firefights, snipe enemies from afar, bombard their bases, and call in air-strikes. You can also climb into future-tech vehicles to rampage in a tank, speed across the battlefield in a light recon vehicle, and more. Combat in DUST 514 is tactical and squad-based, and rewards you for playing as a team. ===================================================== Jumping!? JUMPING!!?!? FACEPALM.JPG Please support fair play!
VAHZZ Haven's Keep 722	Posted - 2015.03.06 09:17:00 - [26] - Quote I already hate those jumping shotgun scouts, they annoy me to no end. Now we got froggers? I'd rather not get a headfull of lugmos plc, Nerf froggers. I'm scared here. *The supreme art of war, is to subdue the enemy without fighting*.
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 4100	Posted - 2015.03.06 09:29:00 - [27] - Quote I'll make my test with both mn assault and mn scout. If myo make you jump high enough to reach certain positions fast, then they will be very useful, otherwise it will still be funny to punch people. Milk my barge > Acquire Key > Open mistery box > quit Dust514
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 496	Posted - 2015.03.06 10:22:00 - [28] - Quote Froggers will be easily countered by MD rounds... jumpers arc is easily predicted... fump... fump... fump... +50 A complex myofib on a commando... yes, I like very much!
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 7336	Posted - 2015.03.06 12:58:00 - [29] - Quote Billy Jr wrote: LUGMOS wrote: Kira Lannister wrote: Froggers I will help you make this the official term For the love all things unholy, make it so! Agreed! Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game RUST415 934	Posted - 2015.03.06 13:47:00 - [30] - Quote I say people will use it for a week. Then they'll realize that jumping < strafing&hp Loyal to State https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2629870#post2629870 - Mejto's trade/sale list
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy RISE of LEGION 2545	Posted - 2015.03.06 13:53:00 - [31] - Quote VAHZZ wrote: I'd rather not get a headfull of lugmos plc ( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) Official QuafeGäó Advocate Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V
noob cavman Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 2154	Posted - 2015.03.06 14:06:00 - [32] - Quote Sooo blue pills and a freedom massdriver.... I am going to be such a bastard to everyone I want to be a caveman! Ccp: LEGION Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Full steam ahead into the enemies booty yarrr.
Chimichanga66605 Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 341	Posted - 2015.03.06 14:23:00 - [33] - Quote Don't forget heavy froggers! Min Sentinal/Commando with 2 kin cats & stacked myofibs is gonna be ******* sweet. Mk.0 Specialist, Republic Loyalist "Badassery is not born, but often thrust upon you." -Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Kira Lannister Ancient Exiles. 2651	Posted - 2015.03.06 15:44:00 - [34] - Quote Chimichanga66605 wrote: Don't forget heavy froggers! Min Sentinal/Commando with 2 kin cats & stacked myofibs is gonna be ******* sweet. A heavy frogger who could get over the railing... Sounds scary :[ "The Ancient Templars will guard fearlessly the people, the land and the heavens of the empire." Book of Exiles 1:3
jordy mack WarRavens 328	Posted - 2015.03.06 15:57:00 - [35] - Quote i predict lots of "fell to their death" scout lols. Less QQ more PewPew
Kuruld Sengar T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K RISE of LEGION 243	Posted - 2015.03.06 16:18:00 - [36] - Quote I can't wait to see the... Frogger... fatties bunny hopping around.
Super Sniper95 Negative-Feedback 620	Posted - 2015.03.06 17:00:00 - [37] - Quote JetPack 514. Proud N SYNC fan. In-game Collectionist.
gekko k Grundstein Automation Property of Negative-Impact 69	Posted - 2015.03.06 17:11:00 - [38] - Quote They will have to relearn how to Frisbee toss REs. "Dude, I just launched it like 30 meters!!!!"
Billy Jr Eternal Beings 62	Posted - 2015.03.06 22:06:00 - [39] - Quote Mad Syringe wrote: Froggers will be easily countered by MD rounds... jumpers arc is easily predicted... fump... fump... fump... +50 A complex myofib on a commando... yes, I like very much! Or I'll grab my own MD and FP and go be a frogging pirate bastard.
2Berries Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 702	Posted - 2015.03.06 22:15:00 - [40] - Quote My only hope is that they screw up the code on patch day & everyone running myofibs ends jump straight into space, much like the flying tanks fiasco! I'm trying to make the grass fabulous but the f**king sticks won't work!
Buwaro Draemon WarRavens 1162	Posted - 2015.03.06 22:17:00 - [41] - Quote Make it so that you can't shoot yout gun while jumping and Scout+Splash damage weapon combo is gone. The Forums are a special place.
Billy Jr Eternal Beings 62	Posted - 2015.03.06 22:25:00 - [42] - Quote Wait... Fall damage is going to be such a *****...
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9326	Posted - 2015.03.06 22:27:00 - [43] - Quote Do kin cats actually increase jump height? I thought jump height was a factor of movement speed, not sprint speed. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Nirwanda Vaughns 1492	Posted - 2015.03.06 22:52:00 - [44] - Quote yeah when a scout can out jump its own mass driver rounds is gonna be SOOOOOO much fun really can't wait for that. Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience proud C-II bpo owner
Booby Tuesdays Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback 1367	Posted - 2015.03.06 22:55:00 - [45] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Do kin cats actually increase jump height? I thought jump height was a factor of movement speed, not sprint speed. Kincats do not affect jump height, unless you are sprinting, as you stated. So when mixed with the revamped Myofibs, Kincats will indirectly affect jump height. I'm having visions of invisible scouts that will decloak, you will turn around expecting to see the shotgunner, only to be killed via headshots directly above you. Half-Assed Forum Warrior / Half-Decent Commando / Damn Good Logi / Matari Loyalty 7
Billy Jr Eternal Beings 62	Posted - 2015.03.06 22:55:00 - [46] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: yeah when a scout can out jump its own mass driver rounds is gonna be SOOOOOO much fun really can't wait for that. It's also going to be a really quick death if they misfire.
Nirwanda Vaughns 1492	Posted - 2015.03.06 23:48:00 - [47] - Quote for heavies something to increase jump height has seriously been needed but instead of adding this ridiculous attribute to myos i dunno why they didn't just introduce a charge function on the jump button. you hold it down and when it reaches a max charge it uses X amount of stamina to increase jump height. that way when a heavy needs to ger over a bump they can do and scouts don't end up bunny-hopping all over the place with the new AScR and the trusty old MKB. to say CCP were supposed to be sorting out Scout514 i don't really see anything to that effect. hell they're even reducing fitting cost of cloaks cos people whining they can't put a cloak on a basic scout... i remember when cloak was introduced it as supposed to have been for dedicated scouts, to me i think the scouts should be able to fit a basic cloak at ADV level with a proto scout being the ones that can truly benefit from it. Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience proud C-II bpo owner
Nirwanda Vaughns 1492	Posted - 2015.03.06 23:49:00 - [48] - Quote Billy Jr wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: yeah when a scout can out jump its own mass driver rounds is gonna be SOOOOOO much fun really can't wait for that. It's also going to be a really quick death if they misfire. they're doing it with pretty good effect already. this is gonna make it even worse Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience proud C-II bpo owner
Billy Jr Eternal Beings 62	Posted - 2015.03.07 00:25:00 - [49] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: Billy Jr wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: yeah when a scout can out jump its own mass driver rounds is gonna be SOOOOOO much fun really can't wait for that. It's also going to be a really quick death if they misfire. they're doing it with pretty good effect already. this is gonna make it even worse Can't we just enjoy all the Mario's that are going to appear? I mean, I finally maxed out my myofibs partially for this moment. Let us enjoy it for a bit, then we worry about tweaking it.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 7345	Posted - 2015.03.07 00:40:00 - [50] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Do kin cats actually increase jump height? I thought jump height was a factor of movement speed, not sprint speed. This is a really good question. I believe that horizontal velocity at the instant of jump (i.e. launch speed) will determine both jump height and jump range. Picture a speeding car launching from a 45-degree ramp. The higher the car's launch speed, the higher its peak will be, the longer its time-in-flight, and the farther it will travel in the air before landing (horizontal range). Specifically ... Car (without myofibs) launch velocity of 25, 50, 100 m/s: Vertical Peak - 16m, 64m, 255m Time in Flight - 3.6s, 7.2s, 14.4s Horizontal Range - 64m, 255m, 1020m So if your MinScout sprints twice as fast as my Commando, he'll leap 4x as far and as high. And this is before Myofibs alter his trajectory physics. Calculations Courtesy of: \o/ Physics Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Edau Skir2 Corrosive Synergy RISE of LEGION 710	Posted - 2015.03.07 03:19:00 - [51] - Quote Billy Jr wrote: I mean, I finally maxed out my myofibs partially for this moment. Bruh, do you engleesh? Logistics mk.0 / Logibro's Modified Logistics mk.0 Scout gk.0/ Scotsman's Modified Scout gk.0 Commando gk.0
Billy Jr Eternal Beings 62	Posted - 2015.03.07 03:28:00 - [52] - Quote Edau Skir2 wrote: Billy Jr wrote: I mean, I finally maxed out my myofibs partially for this moment. Bruh, do you engleesh? Partially for this moment: meaning part of why I maxed out the skill was for the time when the module increased jump height. Dost thou English, good sir?
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy RISE of LEGION 2548	Posted - 2015.03.07 03:35:00 - [53] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: -snip- You are correct - assuming that mercs jump off of ramps. Since they don't, horizontal speed has nothing to do with vertical displacement in this instance. A car going faster off of a ramp will go higher and farther since it is angled where the horizontal movement now is angled upward, adding more kinetic energy to vertical movement. However, a merc's jump height has nothing to make it go at an angle, so no horizontal movement is transferred to vertical movement. So, in conclusion, kincats only affect jump distance, but not height. Official QuafeGäó Advocate Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy RISE of LEGION 2548	Posted - 2015.03.07 03:36:00 - [54] - Quote Billy Jr wrote: Edau Skir2 wrote: Billy Jr wrote: I mean, I finally maxed out my myofibs partially for this moment. Bruh, do you engleesh? Partially for this moment: meaning part of why I maxed out the skill was for the time when the module increased jump height. Dost thou English, good sir? Then it would be written as follows: I finally maxed out my myofibs, partially for this moment. Note the CRUCIAL comma. Let's eat grandpa vs. Let's eat, grandpa. Official QuafeGäó Advocate Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 7349	Posted - 2015.03.07 12:10:00 - [55] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: -snip- You are correct - assuming that mercs jump off of ramps. Since they don't, horizontal speed has nothing to do with vertical displacement in this instance. A car going faster off of a ramp will go higher and farther since it is angled where the horizontal movement now is angled upward, adding more kinetic energy to vertical movement. However, a merc's jump height has nothing to make it go at an angle, so no horizontal movement is transferred to vertical movement. So, in conclusion, kincats only affect jump distance, but not height. Are you sure that mercs don't jump at an angle? Let's assume for a moment that we do not; let's assume that when we jump, we always jump straight up regardless of land speed. Using the calculator above ... assuming a launch angle of 90 degrees, we'd have to sprint at 100,000,000 m/s to cover 1 meter in the air. ^ That can't be right. I suspect we may jump at near 90 degrees if we're standing still, but the faster our speed, the lower our launch angle gets. If your merc sprints at 10 m/s then leaps, he'll cover something close to 10m with a leap. He may not be leaping from a ramp, but he still has a launch angle somewhere between 35 and 50 degrees. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 5534	Posted - 2015.03.07 12:15:00 - [56] - Quote 2Berries wrote: My only hope is that they screw up the code on patch day & everyone running myofibs ends jump straight into space, much like the flying tanks fiasco! The Scroll of Icarian Flight? Neckbeard for Good charity shave
Billy Jr Eternal Beings 62	Posted - 2015.03.07 12:44:00 - [57] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: Billy Jr wrote: Edau Skir2 wrote: Billy Jr wrote: I mean, I finally maxed out my myofibs partially for this moment. Bruh, do you engleesh? Partially for this moment: meaning part of why I maxed out the skill was for the time when the module increased jump height. Dost thou English, good sir? Then it would be written as follows: I finally maxed out my myofibs, partially for this moment. Note the CRUCIAL comma. Let's eat grandpa vs. Let's eat, grandpa. Ok, ok, you got me. But, come on. Grandpa DOES look really tasty.
Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 630	Posted - 2015.03.07 13:10:00 - [58] - Quote Proto Annihilator wrote: John Psi wrote: jumping in the tactical shooter is disgusting nonsense We must entertain the children. They get cranky. Oh the irony. Anyway, suddenly Nova Knifers go from tryhards to an actually viable and skilled playstyle. I can't wait to see how they start abusing the map geometry.
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 6576	Posted - 2015.03.07 17:05:00 - [59] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Do kin cats actually increase jump height? I thought jump height was a factor of movement speed, not sprint speed. Kincats affect jump length, not height, due to the speed. Plates decrease maximum jump height. So, if you use all Kincats and Myofibrils, you'll increase both height and length, which both are factors of total distance. Scary and fun.
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 6577	Posted - 2015.03.07 17:09:00 - [60] - Quote Sole Fenychs wrote: Nova Knifers go from tryhards to an actually viable and skilled playstyle. Lol what? It's already viable AND it's mainly for fun, rather than trying hard. You wouldn't happen to be a KTB alt, would you?
Nirwanda Vaughns 1494	Posted - 2015.03.07 17:15:00 - [61] - Quote Just owonderign if scouts are just gonan be able to jump ontop of the 'tabletops' now instead lol tbh what a myo should do seeign as it increases strength is enable you to climb a ladder faster Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience proud C-II bpo owner
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 6577	Posted - 2015.03.07 17:17:00 - [62] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: Just owonderign if scouts are just gonan be able to jump ontop of the 'tabletops' now instead lol tbh what a myo should do seeign as it increases strength is enable you to climb a ladder faster probably not. I think Rattati was saying a triple stacked Scout would be able to get up to a container, so highly doubt it.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 7355	Posted - 2015.03.07 17:42:00 - [63] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: Just owonderign if scouts are just gonan be able to jump ontop of the 'tabletops' now instead lol tbh what a myo should do seeign as it increases strength is enable you to climb a ladder faster probably not. I think Rattati was saying a triple stacked Scout would be able to get up to a container, so highly doubt it. ^ This is correct. Here's the quote: CCP Rattati wrote: ...we are scaling at 3 stacked pIto myofibs on minmatar scouts being able to jump on top of the big containers. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 3043	Posted - 2015.03.07 18:31:00 - [64] - Quote John Psi wrote: jumping in the tactical shooter is disgusting nonsense lol this isn't tactical. Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff

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