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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:

CCP Rattati wrote:

Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:

That's... a very high AV DPS on the AHMG.

That's going to outDPS all other AV weapons, actually. Is that intentional? Of all the AV weapons, the AHMG is the one that can be best used against infantry in addition to its AV role.

I don't think so, can you demonstrate with numbers please :), to err is to be human so anything is possible.

Galmando PLC with Echo buff
Minmando Swarm
Top AHMG sentinel

all at max skills.

Righto, I haven't actually run the numbers yet and that was off the top of my head, so let's go.
Will disregard proficiency for all weapons because it only applies to certain damage types. Let's look at raw damage.

Summary at the bottom.

Galmando with Allotek does 1870 damage per shot (glorious).
Reload time with Galmando is 3.5*.75 = 2.25. Charge time with maxed skill is 0.45s. Therefore max fire rate without lag and with perfect timing is one shot per 2.7 seconds.

1870/2.7 = 692 DPS

Minmando with Wiyrkomis does 1373 damage per volley. Lock on time is 1.05s with max skills.

I'm not entirely sure how to calculate swarm DPS, honestly. I know there's a forced delay between lock ons and the SDE suggests that's 1 second, but I might be reading the wrong thing. Let's go with the 1 second number for now.

1373 damage per 2.05 seconds means 669 DPS.

Top AHMG sentinel:

The best case scenario for an AHMG is on the Galsent because it can fit 2x damage mods. 2x HDMs gives about a 9% damage increase.

The proto AHMG does 616 DPS under the current proposal. 616*1.09 = 671 DPS

Let's add the forge gun to this list.

Your normal proto forge gun hits for 1440 damage every 3 seconds. With the same circumstances as the AHMG, this leads to 523 DPS. An IAFG will do substantially more at 726 DPS.

Summary:

So under optimal circumstances:
PLCs do 692 DPS.
Swarms do 669 DPS (?)
AHMGs do 671 DPS
FGs do 523 DPS
IAFGs do 726 DPS

Hm. They're all very close, really. AHMG does very similar damage to swarms and marginally less than the Galmando PLC. Bearing in mind that the Galmando does wonderful, wonderful things to the placon I will point out that a double damage modded non-commando allotek placon without the bonus does 481 DPS. The placon is comparatively only viable on the Galmando, then.

Anyhow, looks like I was wrong about it outDPSing -all- other AV weapons. However, it's very similar in terms of DPS to all the others! IAFGs are the only ones that noticeably outDPS it, at 50 DPS more, and that's a difference of less than 10%.

My concern is that it can very viably compete with all other AV options on raw DPS (and indeed, if those other AV options aren't in optimal circumstances it will noticeably outDPS a good few of them) while being much easier to use than the other options and also being by far the most effective against infantry.

No other AV weapon offers anywhere near as much anti-infantry capability as the AHMG, but the AHMG is right up there with the best of the AV options at the same time. It offers, quite literally, the best of both worlds.

EDIT: I am also concerned that the Galmando is practically required to have viable placon DPS. I know the bonuses fit the commando type, but they just do so much good for the placon that you pretty much need to have them to use the placon viably.


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Kaeru Nayiri Ready to Play 547	Posted - 2015.03.05 21:53:00 - [1] - Quote Will we finally fix the AUR advanced tactical sniper rifle? It still has the old stats. I have submitted a bug report and posted a thread in bugs section and this is still ignored. Only asking because I noticed some stat bug fixes in the changes spreadsheet, but still don't see any news of this getting fixed. Thanks. Know what cannot be known.
Kaeru Nayiri Ready to Play 572	Posted - 2015.03.09 19:26:00 - [2] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: That's... a very high AV DPS on the AHMG. That's going to outDPS all other AV weapons, actually. Is that intentional? Of all the AV weapons, the AHMG is the one that can be best used against infantry in addition to its AV role. I don't think so, can you demonstrate with numbers please :), to err is to be human so anything is possible. Galmando PLC with Echo buff Minmando Swarm Top AHMG sentinel all at max skills. Righto, I haven't actually run the numbers yet and that was off the top of my head, so let's go. Will disregard proficiency for all weapons because it only applies to certain damage types. Let's look at raw damage. Summary at the bottom. Galmando with Allotek does 1870 damage per shot (glorious). Reload time with Galmando is 3.5.75 = 2.25. Charge time with maxed skill is 0.45s. Therefore max fire rate without lag and with perfect timing is one shot per 2.7 seconds. 1870/2.7 = 692 DPS Minmando with Wiyrkomis does 1373 damage per volley. Lock on time is 1.05s with max skills. I'm not entirely sure how to calculate swarm DPS, honestly. I know there's a forced delay between lock ons and the SDE suggests that's 1 second, but I might be reading the wrong thing. Let's go with the 1 second number for now. 1373 damage per 2.05 seconds means 669 DPS. Top AHMG sentinel: The best case scenario for an AHMG is on the Galsent because it can fit 2x damage mods. 2x HDMs gives about a 9% damage increase. The proto AHMG does 616 DPS under the current proposal. 6161.09 = 671 DPS Let's add the forge gun to this list. Your normal proto forge gun hits for 1440 damage every 3 seconds. With the same circumstances as the AHMG, this leads to 523 DPS. An IAFG will do substantially more at 726 DPS. Summary: So under optimal circumstances: PLCs do 692 DPS. Swarms do 669 DPS (?) AHMGs do 671 DPS FGs do 523 DPS IAFGs do 726 DPS Hm. They're all very close, really. AHMG does very similar damage to swarms and marginally less than the Galmando PLC. Bearing in mind that the Galmando does wonderful, wonderful things to the placon I will point out that a double damage modded non-commando allotek placon without the bonus does 481 DPS. The placon is comparatively only viable on the Galmando, then. Anyhow, looks like I was wrong about it outDPSing -all- other AV weapons. However, it's very similar in terms of DPS to all the others! IAFGs are the only ones that noticeably outDPS it, at 50 DPS more, and that's a difference of less than 10%. My concern is that it can very viably compete with all other AV options on raw DPS (and indeed, if those other AV options aren't in optimal circumstances it will noticeably outDPS a good few of them) while being much easier to use than the other options and also being by far the most effective against infantry. No other AV weapon offers anywhere near as much anti-infantry capability as the AHMG, but the AHMG is right up there with the best of the AV options at the same time. It offers, quite literally, the best of both worlds. EDIT: I am also concerned that the Galmando is practically required to have viable placon DPS. I know the bonuses fit the commando type, but they just do so much good for the placon that you pretty much need to have them to use the placon viably. @Arkena, @Rattati Very important inevitable outcome here that I must point out, the Assault HMG must work uphill against the shield regen of vehicles that will NOT BE BROKEN by the minimum damage that it applies. You may think the DPS looks similar on paper until you realize all those weapons break the minimum shield regen damage requirement EXCEPT for the AHMG. Meaning it has anywhere between 120 to 200 HP/s taken off it's DPS numbers unless you are already into armor. Know what cannot be known.
Kaeru Nayiri Ready to Play 590	Posted - 2015.03.10 18:43:00 - [3] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: DeathwindRising wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: DRT 99 wrote: i dont think the AHMG not breaking shield regen is a big deal. Most heavies already carry fluxes, and av oriented AHMG heavies will carry the newly buffed AV grenades. we going to require swarms to use flux/AV nades to break regen too? this can't be a surprise? the AHM is doing 50 ish dmg, and the shield regen threshold is 102. Are you suggesting we bring it down to 50? Like the LAV threshold? Haven't fully thought that through, but maybe it's ok. The AMG has the highest AI capability, and therefore has the lowest AV capability. Maybe the ROF of the AHMG can be brought further down, increasing the hit damage. Let's see how this pans out. 50? Does that mean a tact ar could stop shield regen? That's a bit much Rifles have 1% efficiency against vehicles (or thereabouts) so can inflict no damage. AHMG has 100% in Hotfix Echo. Many shield vehicles would suffer at long range from Blaster installations if the shield threshold is brought down too low. If anything, up the damage of the AHMG would be my suggestion. OR accept that they must not be able to break the shield regen and use homing flux grenades. Both seem interesting. Know what cannot be known.
Kaeru Nayiri Ready to Play 590	Posted - 2015.03.10 19:09:00 - [4] - Quote The-Errorist wrote: [...] Shield boosters being faulty. Change them to give same amount of HP, but have something like 5 pulses that are spaced 0.2 seconds apart. I would really prefer they work properly rather than just change their function. If they are still faulty, even with your current system you could lose 2 or even 3 out of the 5 boosts if used while taking swarm damage as the hits arrive in succession. I don't MIND a change in operation, however fixing their broken behavior should be the top priority Know what cannot be known.