DUST Search - Assault Speed fits Min OP?

Tesfa Alem wrote:

I put together speed tanked fits, ADV Assaults, with enh kincats. The goal was to compare the fits of the same tier and see what i could get out of them. They are fit for max speed, if fitting does not allow for kin cat then a cardiac reg, if not that then a Pg module to make up the missing slot.

All fits have enhanced shields in the highs. All suits have a basic racial side arm, basic grenade, but only one could fit a proto rifle to it.The rest only had fitting space for a BK.42 Adv combat rifle

Min Assault :3/3 slot count, 3 enh shields, 2 kin cats, 1 cardiac regulator

427 shields
237 Armor

9.04 sprint

total ehp: 664

Gal Assault: 2/4 layout 2 enh sheilds 3 kin cats, 1 PG upgrade (there was only room for a Pg upgrade after 3 kincats)

304 shields
344 armor

8.93 sprint

total ehp: 648

Duvolle assault rifle (or proto weapon of choice)

Caldari Assault : 4/2 layout, 3 enh shields, 1 basic energizer, 2 kincats

502 shields
194 armor

8.53 sprint

total ehp: 696

Amarr Assault: 2/4 layout 2 shields, 3 kin cats, 1 cardiac regulator

291 shields
394 Armor

8.57 sprint

total ehp: 685

Findings:

The minmatar and the gallente are the fastest by a good margin.

Caldari and the Amarr have the most eHP speed tanked, are still very slow in a foot race, but have enough eHP to be viable vs non speed tanked suits.

The gallente has the lowest eHP can carry the most powerful weapons. The only suit that can use proto weapons fully speed tanked.

The minmatar only loses half of its eHP tanking style when fit for speed. Even so the gallente can nearly keep up with it in terms of pace, and far surpass the minmatar in terms of firepower, even after using none of its low slots for armor or repairs.

Verdict: Minmatar has some advantage, it is the speedy assault, and at first glance seems powerful. Yet the gallente can do it nearly as well and carry alot more firepower, and has higher regen.

My own pro minmatar bias aside, i do not think the numbers show that the suit is OP. What they do show is that if you want a fast suit, the minmatar is the fastest by a small margin, and is more practical than running a proto rifle ona low ehp Gallente. Nonetheless an ammar with ZERO armor moduls still has more HP. A caldari suit loses almost none of its play style and still keeps a good bit of speed, and healthy enough dose of shields.

Next up will be pure eHP stacking.

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Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 888	Posted - 2015.03.03 13:42:00 - [1] - Quote I put together speed tanked fits, ADV Assaults, with enh kincats. The goal was to compare the fits of the same tier and see what i could get out of them. They are fit for max speed, if fitting does not allow for kin cat then a cardiac reg, if not that then a Pg module to make up the missing slot. All fits have enhanced shields in the highs. All suits have a basic racial side arm, basic grenade, but only one could fit a proto rifle to it.The rest only had fitting space for a BK.42 Adv combat rifle Min Assault :3/3 slot count, 3 enh shields, 2 kin cats, 1 cardiac regulator 427 shields 237 Armor 9.04 sprint total ehp: 664 Gal Assault: 2/4 layout 2 enh sheilds 3 kin cats, 1 PG upgrade (there was only room for a Pg upgrade after 3 kincats) 304 shields 344 armor 8.93 sprint total ehp: 648 Duvolle assault rifle (or proto weapon of choice) Caldari Assault : 4/2 layout, 3 enh shields, 1 basic energizer, 2 kincats 502 shields 194 armor 8.53 sprint total ehp: 696 Amarr Assault: 2/4 layout 2 shields, 3 kin cats, 1 cardiac regulator 291 shields 394 Armor 8.57 sprint total ehp: 685 Findings: The minmatar and the gallente are the fastest by a good margin. Caldari and the Amarr have the most eHP speed tanked, are still very slow in a foot race, but have enough eHP to be viable vs non speed tanked suits. The gallente has the lowest eHP can carry the most powerful weapons. The only suit that can use proto weapons fully speed tanked. The minmatar only loses half of its eHP tanking style when fit for speed. Even so the gallente can nearly keep up with it in terms of pace, and far surpass the minmatar in terms of firepower, even after using none of its low slots for armor or repairs. Verdict: Minmatar has some advantage, it is the speedy assault, and at first glance seems powerful. Yet the gallente can do it nearly as well and carry alot more firepower, and has higher regen. My own pro minmatar bias aside, i do not think the numbers show that the suit is OP. What they do show is that if you want a fast suit, the minmatar is the fastest by a small margin, and is more practical than running a proto rifle ona low ehp Gallente. Nonetheless an ammar with ZERO armor moduls still has more HP. A caldari suit loses almost none of its play style and still keeps a good bit of speed, and healthy enough dose of shields. Next up will be pure eHP stacking. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
Lorhak Gannarsein Nos Nothi 4370	Posted - 2015.03.03 14:16:00 - [2] - Quote Minmatar also has the combat rifle, which is still extremely powerful in conjunction with the suit bonus, and unlike the scrambler rifle, the assault variant is worthwhile, making it viable in PC far more than the Amarr Assault, which suffers horrendously through PC lag. You also fail to mention the walk and strafe speeds of the suits - these are actually just as important, if not more than the sprint speeds - the strafing is the real killer. Guys, we need to stop calling MU a 'matchmaker' when it's actually a 'teambuilder'. And I want to play FE:A now. Damn.
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 891	Posted - 2015.03.03 14:56:00 - [3] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Minmatar also has the combat rifle, which is still extremely powerful in conjunction with the suit bonus, and unlike the scrambler rifle, the assault variant is worthwhile, making it viable in PC far more than the Amarr Assault, which suffers horrendously through PC lag. You also fail to mention the walk and strafe speeds of the suits - these are actually just as important, if not more than the sprint speeds - the strafing is the real killer. and lastly, the ADV fittings don't necessarily prove anything; suit utility expands hugely upon reaching the PRO tier, and for this reason no-one seriously goes into a PC with suboptimal grades of equipment; what with the context for this comparison being the release of the PC kill totals, I think this is an important thing to note. All of them have the ADV combat rifle because it takes the least fitting space of all the rifles, so there is no weapon bias, except the gallente. I put a duvolle on it because thas its racial weapon. You could throw on a proto combat rifle if you wish. I have a hard time beliving that certain suits suffer from more lag than others, this would not be a Pc specific issue but found throughout the entire game. Strafe speed, i've seen all of the suits strafe, and its related to high speed suits for sure. I've not seen a quantifibale way to acout for strafe speed, since its all about cricle strafing. I used the ADV suits because they are the most common tier in the game, and i use all of the ADV assault suits. This isn't a PC meta commentary, just dust 514 meta in a general sense. A lot of players from different game modes have been saying the min assault is OP for one reason or another. Speed being the most common complaint, so here it is. How fast suits can move at what amount of eHP. If there is one distinct advatage i would also give to the Min assault is dual tanking saves it in many cricumstances. That scrambler did +20% vs my shileds but -20% when it hits my armor, giving me extra time. Cal Rail rifles do - 10% from long range when they hit my shileds so i have more time to react. ARs lose -10% when they hit my armor giveing time to escape as well. Projectile weapons s the same thing except -15% helping me escape heavies. These are reasons why it tougher to kill a min assault with your weapon of choice. Where you would have melted a Gal Assault with a rail, or nuked a cal assaul witha scrambler, min assaults have the defense fiting necessary to survive and live another day. Not because of either hit box, or simply just speed.Though speed helps. Alot. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
Meee One Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki 1555	Posted - 2015.03.03 16:44:00 - [4] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: I put together speed tanked fits, ADV Assaults, with enh kincats. The goal was to compare the fits of the same tier and see what i could get out of them. They are fit for max speed, if fitting does not allow for kin cat then a cardiac reg, if not that then a Pg module to make up the missing slot. All fits have enhanced shields in the highs. All suits have a basic racial side arm, basic grenade, but only one could fit a proto rifle to it.The rest only had fitting space for a BK.42 Adv combat rifle Min Assault :3/3 slot count, 3 enh shields, 2 kin cats, 1 cardiac regulator 427 shields 237 Armor 9.04 sprint total ehp: 664 Gal Assault: 2/4 layout 2 enh sheilds 3 kin cats, 1 PG upgrade (there was only room for a Pg upgrade after 3 kincats) 304 shields 344 armor 8.93 sprint total ehp: 648 Duvolle assault rifle (or proto weapon of choice) Caldari Assault : 4/2 layout, 3 enh shields, 1 basic energizer, 2 kincats 502 shields 194 armor 8.53 sprint total ehp: 696 Amarr Assault: 2/4 layout 2 shields, 3 kin cats, 1 cardiac regulator 291 shields 394 Armor 8.57 sprint total ehp: 685 Findings: The minmatar and the gallente are the fastest by a good margin. Caldari and the Amarr have the most eHP speed tanked, are still very slow in a foot race, but have enough eHP to be viable vs non speed tanked suits. The gallente has the lowest eHP can carry the most powerful weapons. The only suit that can use proto weapons fully speed tanked. The minmatar only loses half of its eHP tanking style when fit for speed. Even so the gallente can nearly keep up with it in terms of pace, and far surpass the minmatar in terms of firepower, even after using none of its low slots for armor or repairs. Verdict: Minmatar has some advantage, it is the speedy assault, and at first glance seems powerful. Yet the gallente can do it nearly as well and carry alot more firepower, and has higher regen. My own pro minmatar bias aside, i do not think the numbers show that the suit is OP. What they do show is that if you want a fast suit, the minmatar is the fastest by a small margin, and is more practical than running a proto rifle ona low ehp Gallente. Nonetheless an ammar with ZERO armor moduls still has more HP. A caldari suit loses almost none of its play style and still keeps a good bit of speed, and healthy enough dose of shields. Next up will be pure eHP stacking. You're leaving out stamina. Sure it looks relatively the same speed until you add its crazy high stamina and stamina regen. It can run for miles faster and can do so more often. Combined with high eHP it basically becomes a heavier tanked scout. And assault lights got nerfed for the same reasons MinAss is being looked at right now. Official Blueberry of the Forums. Title given by my #1 fan Sgt Kirk.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3389	Posted - 2015.03.03 17:09:00 - [5] - Quote lol @ speed suits with regular plates. All the fancy numbers in the world won't change the killfeed. The MinAss is FoTM right now because of four things: 1) Its ability to dual tank making any bias in weapons weak on one side or the other, 2) its speed, 3) its flexibility due to its slot layout, and 4) its bonus to CR & SMG.
Templar XIII Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 67	Posted - 2015.03.03 17:40:00 - [6] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: lol @ speed suits with regular plates. All the fancy numbers in the world won't change the killfeed. The MinAss is FoTM right now because of four things: 1) Its ability to dual tank making any bias in weapons weak on one side or the other, 2) its speed, 3) its flexibility due to its slot layout, and 4) its bonus to CR & SMG. ^ This, so much this. Tesfa, when we compare your assault suit setups, we are facing a dual tanking, 5.5% sprint speed, 10% movement speed bonus over the amarr for the minmatar side vs. an armor-centric 3% eHP bonus over the minmatar for the amarr side. And you honestly try to make believe this to be a fair tradeoff and the difference to merely be a minor one? You must be kidding. By the love of the great One, big Baba Matumba, lord Almighty Sky Wizard, please CCP, turn me true Amarr. finally...
Vesta Opalus T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K RISE of LEGION 478	Posted - 2015.03.03 19:07:00 - [7] - Quote Any Minmatar speed setup is going to outperform other assault speed fits just due to higher speed and a massive difference in stamina regeneration (Minmitar is like 2.5x faster I think in terms of stam regen? In your specific minmatar test fit there is no point at all in putting a cardiac regulator on the suit, as that extra stam/regen will almost never make a difference compared to its base stam/stam regen) The real question is: are speed fits OP, and I think the answer is no, not on any of the assault suits, mostly because kincats cripple your ability to stand & deliver vs. fits that are slower, but much more resilient.
Killer's Coys Prima Gallicus 253	Posted - 2015.03.03 20:20:00 - [8] - Quote Minmatar assault is broken at the moment. I get it, so I'm not raging at all. That's not normal with that fit you can : 1) Have +500hp armor and strafe almost like a scout 2) have the same hitbox as the caldari scout 3) tanking to +850eHP with a quit good regen and have an amazing mobility (don't forget at the beginning the minmatar suits had more speed for less eHP, but with the assault, they have both, the speed nd the eHP) 4) Be an assault-scout (We cognized scouts-assault after 1.8). Have +600eHP and be faster than a scout, and make a lot of damage 5) Make the deploiement. I've seen minmatar assault run faster and longer than me with my minmatar scout (supposed to be the faster suit) with 2x kit kat + 1 cardiac regulator on my suit. 6) Tank shield, or armor, or both if you want 7) with 2 complex shield regulator, you have almost the same shield regulation as a caldari assault with 2 complex shield regu too (the difference is 0.35sec) And the Caldari is supposed to be the best shield regen assault suit ?) 8) Put whatever you want on the suit. The CR (or aCR) are the weapons which use the LESS PG/CPU, but it has more PG/CPU than a Gallente/Caldari assault (I don't talk about the Amarr because the Scrambler weapons cost a lot of PG/CPU). I don't know what you think, but on my Minmassault, I can put EVERYTHING on complex/proto. I can't do it for the Amarr, for the Gallente, and I don't talk about the Caldari... That's not strange that the Minmatar assault is the most used assault suit in PUB or in PC. For me the biggest problems on this suit : - strafe speed - hitbox which is completely broken - too much eHP or too much run speed I'm sorry for my bad English writting and comprehension.
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 897	Posted - 2015.03.04 07:10:00 - [9] - Quote Templar XIII wrote: [ My amarr... . Comparing two suits designed to be polar opposites, how could not you expect a massive difference in speed or regen? Gallente have a massive armor regen advantage over the caldari, the caldari has a massive shield recharge over the gallente. The minmatar being faster than the amarr and better shield regen and the amarr has the ability to stack tons of armor and damage. Makes sense. Like i said, i run the amarr assault too, and its far from being a victim 1v1 vs minmatar. 2 damage mods, and 982 hp on an adv suit. , change damage mods for shield extenders and get 1082 HP, or i could have it rep at 20 hp a second and still have 817 hp. You have to compare the min assault to all of the suits, not just one of them. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7482	Posted - 2015.03.04 07:24:00 - [10] - Quote Speed being broken goes away when inertia is added. AV
duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 326	Posted - 2015.03.04 07:35:00 - [11] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Minmatar also has the combat rifle, which is still extremely powerful in conjunction with the suit bonus, and unlike the scrambler rifle, the assault variant is worthwhile, making it viable in PC far more than the Amarr Assault, which suffers horrendously through PC lag. You also fail to mention the walk and strafe speeds of the suits - these are actually just as important, if not more than the sprint speeds - the strafing is the real killer. and lastly, the ADV fittings don't necessarily prove anything; suit utility expands hugely upon reaching the PRO tier, and for this reason no-one seriously goes into a PC with suboptimal grades of equipment; what with the context for this comparison being the release of the PC kill totals, I think this is an important thing to note. Why would anyone use the ACR? It's weaker, lower dps. Molestia approved
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 7221	Posted - 2015.03.04 13:46:00 - [12] - Quote duster 35000 wrote: Why would anyone use the ACR? It's weaker, lower dps. Its performance isn't affected by latency or input lag. The CR's burst interval is great so long as framerate is stable and there isn't much going on. But when latency picks up, it's a liability. PC, opponent origin, big firefights, poorly optimized maps/sockets -- all of these have an affect on the CR's firerate. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS 902	Posted - 2015.03.04 14:04:00 - [13] - Quote there's an issue with shields and poor hit detection that is amplified when moving at high speeds. add also that the minmatar can maintain its high speeds almost constantly thanks to it stamina regen and pool. now add that the minamatar assault bonus gives almost 200 rounds of ammo between the acr and smgs before reloading and it can strafe and hose down enemies with ease. minmatar also has highest movement speed of any assault class.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 7222	Posted - 2015.03.04 14:12:00 - [14] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: now add that the minamatar assault bonus gives almost 200 rounds of ammo between the acr and smgs before reloading and it can strafe and hose down enemies with ease. minmatar also has highest movement speed of any assault class. Don't forget the AM Scout! Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 897	Posted - 2015.03.04 18:06:00 - [15] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: DeathwindRising wrote: now add that the minamatar assault bonus gives almost 200 rounds of ammo between the acr and smgs before reloading and it can strafe and hose down enemies with ease. minmatar also has highest movement speed of any assault class. Don't forget the AM Scout! Yeah i don't like the idea of the amarr scout competeing with the min assault for speed. But i would mch rather buff the amarr scout speed. About highest movement speed, thats in the design philosphy of the suit. What i wanted to know about the speed specifically is by how large an advantage the min assault has over the other assault suits. The numbers show that its not by a large enough margin (.11 M/S) to be OP vs a gallente speed tank. In terms of of weapons the adv gallente assault can fit anything proto. I have not compared the proto suits, so the fitting meta will probably allow all of the suits to fit higher tier weapons. At the ADV tier, Gallente has the advantage interms of firepower. It has the Speed advantage over the speed tanked caldari, but caldari has the HP Advantage. Even taking the ACR ino account, vs a caldari the ACR does -15% damage. Mabe the speed kills and maybe it doesnt. Min Assault VS the speed tanked amarr the amarr has only a slight eHP advantage and is very disadvataged against the Min Assault's speed and weapons. That being said, we are removing the amarr's main tank and trying to shoehorn it into a role that doesn't suit it. What i want to get at is, is the suit objectively overpowered? Or Simply good at what it does? Or is it simply versatile enough to make up for its percieved weakness? You might be fighting a shield+ speed tanked min assault one second, a tanked min assault the next, an armor+damage mod the next after that. When Rattati takes the inevitable good hard look at the suit for balance issues ( because PC kills) i would rather say here is something specific to adjust to it, rather than a hodgepdge of feelings, emotion, and anecdotal statements. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
Templar XIII Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 69	Posted - 2015.03.04 18:33:00 - [16] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: Templar XIII wrote: [ My amarr... . Comparing two suits designed to be polar opposites, how could not you expect a massive difference in speed or regen? Gallente have a massive armor regen advantage over the caldari, the caldari has a massive shield recharge over the gallente. The minmatar being faster than the amarr and better shield regen and the amarr has the ability to stack tons of armor and damage. Makes sense. Like i said, i run the amarr assault too, and its far from being a victim 1v1 vs minmatar. 2 damage mods, and 982 hp on an adv suit. , change damage mods for shield extenders and get 1082 HP, or i could have it rep at 20 hp a second and still have 817 hp. You have to compare the min assault to all of the suits, not just one of them. Please, do not try to divert the discussion into a different direction. Comparing the min assault to its absolute opponent makes the issue we have at hand more visible, and you know that. You, and you alone chose to start this thread comparing racial assault speed shield fits, I repeat: Assault. Speed. Shield. And now, now you come along making a 180, trying to argument on the basis of minmatar speed fit vs. amarr non-speed-but-pure-armor fit? You won't win any prizes in any discussion groups this way, my friend, but it makes some sense in that your speed fit comparison approach did not hold any value to begin with, and only proves either your bias towards preserving an unbalanced status quo or you not having thought this whole thread through before starting it - which is excusable, as we are all human. I hope the latter holds true, but trying to cover up one's own fallacy is what enrages me, because it does not do you Tesfa any justice. It only denies you the respect of your counterpart.
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 720	Posted - 2015.03.05 00:10:00 - [17] - Quote I don't think OP -- just aggravated by netcode and hit detection issues.
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 903	Posted - 2015.03.05 03:06:00 - [18] - Quote Well, i've been going over what changes to the minmatar dropsuits, and all of the assault dropsuits changes since hotfix charlie. Slot lay out changed for 5-2 at proto to a 4-4 at proto. 100 hp bonus across the board. PG and CPU buffs across the board. I haven't found any references to assault speed buffs yet. The old slot layout did not allow for stacking kincats, simply not enough PG or slots. Now with an extra slot and PG buff, you can put more kincats on them to get them up to a higher sprint speed. That being said, base speed stats haven't changed so a non speed tanked minmatar now is the still same speed as before hotfix charlie. The min assault hasnt been declared OP since hotfix charlie droped, but only since 1.9, when the scout meta changed. The min assault ought to be versatile enough to survive as a shield tank, or with an armor tank. Surviving with a shield tank fress up low slots for things like kincats. Basically the major difference between peoples perception in OP vs Up is the min assaults ability to reasonably stack kincats and cardiac regulators, this is what gets it up to low scout speeds, not its base speed stat. It can do this better than the other assualt suits. Also, the players that used scouts as assault light suits are treating it like a heavy scout suit. On the hitbox: Until somebody show me evidence of the min assault's hitbox being changed, its something i have a hard time believing. I've run the min assault for a long time, never seen hit detection affect me positivley. In fact everything that breathed in my direction killed me. I don't see where the devs made any changes to it. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
GLOBAL RAGE Consolidated Dust 108	Posted - 2015.03.05 09:31:00 - [19] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: duster 35000 wrote: Why would anyone use the ACR? It's weaker, lower dps. The ACR's performance isn't affected by the input lag which accompanies latency issues and framerate drops. The CR's burst interval and damage output are great, so long as the game is running smoothly. PC, mismatched player origin, big firefights, poorly optimized maps/sockets -- all of these cause the game to run less than smoothly. Choppy Gameplay: ACR > CR Smooth Gameplay: CR > ACR Very good description of another latency induced imbalance crppling this game. I experience this usually every match. I love the CR.
Georgia Xavier Y.A.M.A.H 45	Posted - 2015.03.05 16:52:00 - [20] - Quote Templar XIII wrote: Tesfa Alem wrote: Templar XIII wrote: [ My amarr... . Comparing two suits designed to be polar opposites, how could not you expect a massive difference in speed or regen? Gallente have a massive armor regen advantage over the caldari, the caldari has a massive shield recharge over the gallente. The minmatar being faster than the amarr and better shield regen and the amarr has the ability to stack tons of armor and damage. Makes sense. Like i said, i run the amarr assault too, and its far from being a victim 1v1 vs minmatar. 2 damage mods, and 982 hp on an adv suit. , change damage mods for shield extenders and get 1082 HP, or i could have it rep at 20 hp a second and still have 817 hp. You have to compare the min assault to all of the suits, not just one of them. Please, do not try to divert the discussion into a different direction. Comparing the min assault to its absolute opponent makes the issue we have at hand more visible, and you know that. Furthermore, you, and you alone chose to start this thread comparing racial assault speed shield fits, I repeat: Assault. Speed. Shield. And now, now you come along making a 180, trying to argument on the basis of minmatar speed fit vs. amarr non-speed-but-pure-armor fit? You won't win any prizes in any discussion groups this way, my friend, but it makes some sense in that your speed fit comparison approach did not hold any value to begin with, and only proves either your bias towards preserving an unbalanced status quo or you not having thought this whole thread through before starting it - which is excusable, as we are all human. I hope the latter holds true, but trying to cover up one's own fallacy is what enrages me, because it does not do you Tesfa any justice. It only denies you the respect of your counterpart. Someone here doesn't like Bias. Thumbs up to you man How many amarr does it take to change a light bulb? none. The minmatar do it for them
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7543	Posted - 2015.03.05 18:28:00 - [21] - Quote the upsurge in minmatar assaults is going to last until the assault scram buff lands. It's popularity will drop sharply, I would imagine. AV
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 724	Posted - 2015.03.05 23:20:00 - [22] - Quote Meh, lots of people like Min assault due to the higher speed and slot layout -- not just the bonus to CR. Sure some will switch, but I'm willing to bet the majority of ASCR users will just be a lot of Regular SCR users who switched over and heavys who want to point defense and can't do so as well from the upcoming HMG nerf. The increase of Amarr brick tanked suits defending like heavies will be really interesting though!
Georgia Xavier Y.A.M.A.H 45	Posted - 2015.03.05 23:23:00 - [23] - Quote I thought the ASCR was fine already to be honest,I won't say no to a buff How many amarr does it take to change a light bulb? none. The minmatar do it for them
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 908	Posted - 2015.03.06 17:34:00 - [24] - Quote Imp Smash wrote: Meh, lots of people like Min assault due to the higher speed and slot layout -- not just the bonus to CR. Sure some will switch, but I'm willing to bet the majority of ASCR users will just be a lot of Regular SCR users who switched over and heavys who want to point defense and can't do so as well from the upcoming HMG nerf. The increase of Amarr brick tanked suits defending like heavies will be really interesting though! Acually this i like. Since the Min is all about speed and guerrila style flank attacks, the counter should be the stalwart Imperial armored forces. The ASCR should be a rapid fire mid range weapon to counter the ACBR, and with the buff i hope it becomes that. Because in CQC the Amarr are severly UP. Right now speed is mosly exploited to dance out in the open to dodge bulles rather than using mobility to quickly get to a better firing position. If backpedal speed impacts dancing, then we might see a change of heart about the communities perceptions of the min assualt. Like the caldari scout hitbox: thread after thread was made about it, but since the ewar changes (there have been zero hitbox changes) the forums completley forgot about their boogeyman. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.

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